Question for Lutherans

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Don_Ruggero said:
There is an expression in English…“Be careful what you wish for…you may get it.”

Extraordinary is a most apt word for the year long commemoration and what will occur.
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And why would wishing that Francis say extraordinary things about Leo X be something to be careful of? Heck, I’m wishing Francis would canonize him. Can never have to many saints. 🙂
 
No, I don’t think so, what they are saying about us is NOT true. What they are saying about themselves, is TRUE. But the numbers change so fast it’s hard to know the accurate count. It is not our fault they have divided so much. Look in the telephone book of any big city, that will give you a small idea. I don’t think anyone is using these numbers to proselytize. Didn’t Jesus say, “The TRUTH will set you free.” ? Since when is it wrong to be truthful?? God Bless, Memaw
 
Duane1966 said:
Has the prescribed cure by the many “doctors” been worse for the patient than the illness? 🙂
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A matter of judgement, no doubt. It is clear to me that the modernisation and enlightenment of which the Reformation was part has brought great benefits to mankind, but of course that is not quite the question you are asking,
 
Memaw said:
No, I don’t think so, what they are saying about us is NOT true. What they are saying about themselves, is TRUE. But the numbers change so fast it’s hard to know the accurate count. It is not our fault they have divided so much. Look in the telephone book of any big city, that will give you a small idea. I don’t think anyone is using these numbers to proselytize. Didn’t Jesus say, “The TRUTH will set you free.” ? Since when is it wrong to be truthful?? God Bless, Memaw
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If the same methodology is used to determine the number of (a) Catholic and (b) “Protestant” denominations, why should it be that one is true and one is false (rather, perhaps, than them both being equally true and equally misleading)?
 
Duane1966 said:
Thanks for your answer.

Father, at the end of the day, do you think what Martin Luther did was wrong?
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This seems a rather simplistic (and ambiguous) question. Maybe you need to ask a different one.
 
Picky_Picky said:
If the same methodology is used to determine the number of (a) Catholic and (b) “Protestant” denominations, why should it be that one is true and one is false (rather, perhaps, than them both being equally true and equally misleading)?
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It’s NOT the same methodology! Go to Catholic.com and learn more about it. God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw said:
It’s NOT the same methodology! Go to Catholic.com and learn more about it. God Bless, Memaw
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Of course it is the same methodology. Most disagree with the methods used, but I believe we all agree that the compilers used the same methodology for reaching their outlandish numbers.

What would Catholic.com have to say about it? Perhaps we are not speaking of the same thing.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Of course it is the same methodology. Most disagree with the methods used, but I believe we all agree that the compilers used the same methodology for reaching their outlandish numbers.

What would Catholic.com have to say about it? Perhaps we are not speaking of the same thing.
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because the 240 so called “catholic” denominations are totally fabricated. There is only ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC CHURCH. But the thousands upon thousands of Protestant denominations is true, even tho the number may not be exact. God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw said:
because the 240 so called “catholic” denominations are totally fabricated. There is only ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC CHURCH. But the thousands upon thousands of Protestant denominations is true, even tho the number may not be exact. God Bless, Memaw
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Please define what is meant by “protestant” denominations.

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Memaw said:
because the 240 so called “catholic” denominations are totally fabricated. There is only ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC CHURCH. But the thousands upon thousands of Protestant denominations is true, even tho the number may not be exact. God Bless, Memaw
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Yes, as has been posted here more than once, even the folks who print that study say the same thing: the RCC is a single entity, a single organization, a single church. But they count the RCC and every other church that meets their definitions of “denomination” once, for every time it appears in a given country. Which is why it counts the Episcopal Church as 17 denominations. The Episcopal Church has a presence in 17 countries (last I looked). The RCC has a presence in 240 (more or less).

Which is how they arrive at the figures they use.
 
Memaw said:
because the 240 so called “catholic” denominations are totally fabricated. There is only ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC CHURCH. But the thousands upon thousands of Protestant denominations is true, even tho the number may not be exact. God Bless, Memaw
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I think you are still not understanding what this (side) discussion is about and it is rather tedious to read the same thing over and over. So perhaps for the last time - the methodology was consistent and, according to the compilers, gave them the numbers they were after.

Most of us here disagree, and think the numbers are nonsense. BUT if you claim that there are ‘thousands upon thousands’ Protestant denominations, then you have to take the 240 with it. Can’t say one is true and the other is ‘fabricated.’ They come from the same supposition.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
I think you are still not understanding what this (side) discussion is about and it is rather tedious to read the same thing over and over. So perhaps for the last time - the methodology was consistent and, according to the compilers, gave them the numbers they were after.

Most of us here disagree, and think the numbers are nonsense. BUT if you claim that there are ‘thousands upon thousands’ Protestant denominations, then you have to take the 240 with it. Can’t say one is true and the other is ‘fabricated.’ They come from the same supposition.
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You may think that but I sure don’t. You need to check into the protestant sources for more information. Or look in the phone book.God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw said:
You should know, you’ve belonged to at least 2 of them. God Bless, Memaw
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Well, there’s the problem. I was a member of the OHCAC in the Lutheran tradition. AFAIK, only Lutherans and Zwinglians participated in the formal protest at the Second Diet at Speyer in 1529. Anglicans did not participate in that protest. In fact some Lutherans didn’t.
So, it seems to me there are only two groups of Protestants

Jon
 
JonNC said:
Well, there’s the problem. I was a member of the OHCAC in the Lutheran tradition. AFAIK, only Lutherans and Zwinglians participated in the formal protest at the Second Diet at Speyer in 1529. Anglicans did not participate in that protest. In fact some Lutherans didn’t.
So, it seems to me there are only two groups of Protestants

Jon
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Apostolic? 😉
 
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