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trav6574
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An 11 year old girl was molested and was impregnated, an abortion was just performed this morning. What is the Churchs’ stance on this?
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asquared
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an 11 year girl was the victim of a vicious crime, and her baby was the victim of another. apparently someone thought the proper treatment for the harm she suffered in the first violent assault was to perpetrate another violent assault on her body and on her baby.
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1ke
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Molestation is a gravely disordered action, a serious sin, and a crime. The person who did such an act should be reported to the authorities and arrested or committed to psychiatric care.
The resulting pregnancy is a sad consequence of the sinful actions of an adult against a child. There are two victims, the one molested and the baby conceived in the committing of this crime.
The abortion was a gravely wrong action-- the murder of a human being.
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stbruno
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priestsforlife.org/magisteriumteachings.html
Here’s everything you want to know about church teachings from the priests for life website.
The answer is all life is precious…Abortion is evil, always.
Here’s everything you want to know about church teachings from the priests for life website.
The answer is all life is precious…Abortion is evil, always.
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manualman
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Analogy:
A woman gets herself impregnated thru IVF and a sperm bank (let’s leave aside the morality of IVF for a second). When the child is two weeks old, she finds out that the sperm donor was arrested and convicted as a serial killer. She immediately drowns the baby.
Was that morally right?
If you believe unborn children are persons, then you no more can suport killing them for the crimes of their parents than you can support killing born children for that fact.
Pro-lifers who support such exceptions don’t fully believe that the unborn are persons.
A woman gets herself impregnated thru IVF and a sperm bank (let’s leave aside the morality of IVF for a second). When the child is two weeks old, she finds out that the sperm donor was arrested and convicted as a serial killer. She immediately drowns the baby.
Was that morally right?
If you believe unborn children are persons, then you no more can suport killing them for the crimes of their parents than you can support killing born children for that fact.
Pro-lifers who support such exceptions don’t fully believe that the unborn are persons.
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kaymart
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A very good point. People would be outraged and she would stand trial for murder of her infant. But the same folks think its right to kill the unborn baby of a rapist. Murder is Murder no matter what you call it.
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Jonah
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She was 11 years old! Not a woman that could make a decision about having a baby. To let her go through pregnancy and labor is sick…just as sick as having an abortion, just as sick as being raped.
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tdandh26
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Uh, so what are you proposing, that she should have been Euthenized?
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Tantum_ergo
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Ah, relativity enters the picture, and logic flies out the window. . .
(“just as sick as. . .”)
Yes, God bless that poor child. Victimized by the molester, and victimized by the abortionist MD.
Just because there is no solution to this situation that does not involve hurt and heartache does not mean that we can allow ourselves to commit murder because we “believe” that this murder will be to the child/mother’s GOOD. . .first, because doing a wrong even if a “good” were to resolve is wrong anyway, no matter what, and second, that “good” is pure speculation". It is as likely that this experience will do far more damage in the long run to this girl’s soul and psyche than carrying the child to term (with very very careful medical monitoring) and then allowing a caring couple to adopt the innocent baby would be.
(“just as sick as. . .”)
Yes, God bless that poor child. Victimized by the molester, and victimized by the abortionist MD.
Just because there is no solution to this situation that does not involve hurt and heartache does not mean that we can allow ourselves to commit murder because we “believe” that this murder will be to the child/mother’s GOOD. . .first, because doing a wrong even if a “good” were to resolve is wrong anyway, no matter what, and second, that “good” is pure speculation". It is as likely that this experience will do far more damage in the long run to this girl’s soul and psyche than carrying the child to term (with very very careful medical monitoring) and then allowing a caring couple to adopt the innocent baby would be.
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Jonah
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PSHAW!
HARDLY…
But I say it from my heart that if my baby girl had been raped and got pregnant at the age of 11, abortion would be an option. And I say this because I do have a daughter and at the age of 11 she was still a baby herself and I would not let her go through a pregnancy at such a tender age.
I thank God that I have never had to deal with such a crisis. Strange that I have this opinion when my daughter is a advocate for pro life.
In a perfect world…
This girls psyche has been damaged by the rape. I don’t know what kind of eleven year old girl your talking about. Was she promiscuous? Was she worldly? Because when I think of an 11 year old I still see a baby girl. Not some teen or some woman that knows what is going on in her body when she is pregnant.
I’m don’t believe in killing innocent babies, but I’ don’t’ believe in killing 11 year old either. Yes, killing her emotionally, psychologically and physically.
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otm
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How is giving birth to a child sick? You have a very myopic and narrow view of life in general; in many parts of the world women marry at the age of puberty and give birth not long after the marriage. do you consider that sick also?
She did not choose to have a child, and what was done to her was sick. But your attitutde about someone giving birth at an early age is also elitist.
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tdandh26
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I also have a daughter, 5 of them actually and if that happened to one of them, I would not add to their pain by having them commit a murder. Although they may not understand it now, later in life it could destroy them, whereas that baby might just be the light of her life.
God has a plan for every single life, no matter how it came to be.
God has a plan for every single life, no matter how it came to be.
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Lapsed
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No, murdering the baby would be even more sick.
What, exactly, did the baby do to warrant a death sentence?
Yes, it would be a horrible experience for that girl, but how is escaping a horrible experience more valuable than the human life of the baby?
I have an eleven year old daughter. The thought of her dealing with something like this makes me sick. A human life is still more valuable.
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Jonah
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You assume and yet you do not know me.
Give CHILD BIRTH is not sick… it does give me a sick “FEELING” to think of an 11 year old having a baby…
I am a care director for teen mothers; ages 15-21. I have yet to meet one that thinks her baby is the light of her life. Then again that is why I’m working with them!
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dafalax
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Her being molested was sick. The fact of the matter is, she is a child, but her body was at least mature enough to conceive a baby. Pregnancy and labor aren’t “sick”, they are natural processes. Rape is not. Abortion is not. And furthermore, when that 11 year old grows up and thinks about having children of her own, she will have severe psychological trauma as a result of the baby that was killed, in addition to the rape she suffered. She will be more prone to depression, more likely to abuse any other children she has, and more likely to suffer sleep disorders, according to a recent study. Her risk for suicide will double. This is in addition to the health problems that abortion is responsible for, like increased risk for breast cancer and, depending on how “skillful” the doctor is and how many months pregnant she is, possible infertility. Most likely the worst that would happen with carrying the pregnancy to term would be a c-section delivery. You should check your medical facts instead of basing your responses on emotional appeals next time.
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dafalax
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You are somewhat myopic; you haven’t even considered that the 11 year old should give her child up for adoption so it could be raised by a loving two parent family instead of a traumatized child. When the 11 year old grows up, she may wonder where her child is, but at least she’ll know they are out there somewhere, not refuse in a hospital incinerator.
I am sorry about your teen mothers, but i suspect the reason they don’t have warm fuzzies for their children has less to do with the babies being a problem and more to do with the fact that they were having sex before they were ready for the possible consequences. How many of them are with their “baby daddies”? Getting used for sex hurts. The kids aren’t the problem; it’s anti-abstinence education that leads to the psychological trauma of our teenage girls.
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Mom_of_one
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I knew a woman who was molested by her male parent. (I can’t call him “father” in this case)4 times she became pregnant. 4 times he took her to the abortion clinic. I heard her cry and say that she thought God was punishing *HER *for the abortions. She didn’t think that God was punishing her for the molestation, but the abortions, ones she was forced to have.
I don’t remember her name anymore, but I remember the day, where I was, and what she said.
Abortion just adds more trauma to the already horrible situation.
And, abortion can be used to cover up the crime that has already been committed against the child.
I don’t remember her name anymore, but I remember the day, where I was, and what she said.
Abortion just adds more trauma to the already horrible situation.
And, abortion can be used to cover up the crime that has already been committed against the child.
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itsjustdave1988
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Thank you for the pagan view. But I believe the initial post asked what the Church taught.
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KBarn
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Didn’t Jesus say that the innocence of children should be protected, not violated, that they should not be led astray? Did He not also say that we should not fear the one that can destroy the body but the one who can destroy both the body and the soul? Counseling a young girl into abortion is instructing her in evil ways. It is never a good idea to compound sin with sin. I think that in addition to the sympathy you have for the young pregnant girl, you should have sympathy for her younger, more helpless child. Her baby stands in need of protection and love as well.
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Jonah
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Some of these mommies were raped.
By everyone strong stance I imagine you all have experienced or seen the horrible aftermath of abortions.
Unfortuantely I have seen the other side too.
I don’t believe that abortion is right. But if it was my daughter, I certainly would give her the option. (she would probably have the baby) So with that said… Thank God my daughter is of age. Forgive me for being Pagan!
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