question on abortion

[AugustineFL]

Jonah:

She was 11 years old! Not a woman that could make a decision about having a baby. To let her go through pregnancy and labor is sick…just as sick as having an abortion, just as sick as being raped.

To ‘let her go through pregnancy and labour is sick’? I’m sorry but ripping her child from her body and killing it is much worse! That poor child would have to go through the rest of her life knowing that not only was she sexually violated but the people that are supposed to love her and help her saw fit to murder her child as her ‘treatment’! Why not just give the child up for adoption! Then she will know at least that a life came out of the evil that happened to her.

I don’t see how murdering a little baby in anyway rights the wrong done to the 11 year old girl.

What you suggest is just plain evil and satanic in origin!

 

[AugustineFL]

Jonah:

I’m don’t believe in killing innocent babies, but I’ don’t’ believe in killing 11 year old either.

Yes, you do believe in killing innocent babies; you said so your self. Your own words condemn you! Why not kill the 11 year old whilst your at it! There is no difference. Murder is murder. I’m sorry but what you speak is pure evil.

How disgusting that you would murder your own grandchild if this happened to your own 11 year old daughter!

By the way, yes I am a parent. I don’t know how I’d react to such a horrible thing but I would NEVER MURDER A CHILD!

 

[AugustineFL]

Jonah:

…but I’ don’t’ believe in killing 11 year old either. Yes, killing her emotionally, psychologically and physically.

Once again your words condemn you. You DO BELIEVE IN KILLING AN 11 YEAR OLD EMOTIONLALLY, PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND PHYSICALLY! You would have that girl know that her baby was MURDERED; you don’t think that emotionally could screw her up for the rest of her life? You would have her be violated and her baby ripped out of her body with the approval of adults that are supposed to love her; you don’t think that can psychologically harm her? You would have someone violate her body yet again to murder and kill an unborn person; you don’t call that physical harm?

I’m sorry but your thinking shocks me! Even more shocking is that you are a parent and would uphold the right to murder a child!

 

[AugustineFL]

What?
Yes, and I would give her a snake if she asked for a loaf of bread!

I really doubt that God would hold a sin like that against an ELEVEN year old. An 11 year old that was brutely raped and pregnated by her rapist. An 11 year old that has been traumatized for life, (what do you know about rape anyway?) . She was probably 10 years old or just turned 11 when she was raped.

If God would send an 11 year old to hell for an abortion. Then I refuse to worship such a god. Imagin the rapist and the little girl he raped sharing hell… Good Grief.

I thank God, that He alone knows my heart and I don’t have to explain anything to Him.

What???!!?? Are you thinking that we think that God would punish the innocent 11 year old girl when it is adults that are supposed to care for her that would be having her abort her baby. No, I’d say that the mortal sin would fall on those that would perform the abortion and encourage, let her, or force her to have the abortion. At 11 years old she might be culpable of the sin; but there is an even greater chance she wouldn’t be. I’d doubt she would be especially after the mental trauma of rape. But the adults in her life most likely would be!

No one of us can say what the judgement of God would be in the end; we can’t see inside someone’s heart. But it is a fact that the killing of the unborn child is a grave sin that is punishable by hell fire! Yes, it is a damnable offence! No man can damn the sinner to hell but we can point out that the sin is worthy of hell fire if all the 3 conditions for mortal sin exist and the sinner remains unrepeated. May God bring a conversion of thought and have mercy on the soul of those that perpetuate the sin of abortion.

 

[kaymart]

AugustineFL:

Once again your words condemn you. You DO BELIEVE IN KILLING AN 11 YEAR OLD EMOTIONLALLY, PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND PHYSICALLY! You would have that girl know that her baby was MURDERED; you don’t think that emotionally could screw her up for the rest of her life? You would have her be violated and her baby ripped out of her body with the approval of adults that are supposed to love her; you don’t think that can psychologically harm her? You would have someone violate her body yet again to murder and kill an unborn person; you don’t call that physical harm?

I’m sorry but your thinking shocks me! Even more shocking is that you are a parent and would uphold the right to murder a child!

:clapping: Very good points, how can any mother or father claim they are against abortion, yet if their own child is violated, they have no problems violating their grandchild?

 

[AugustineFL]

Catholic mommy:

I’m with Jonah, so is my husband. Although we believe abortion is murder and wrong, we simply could not let our 11 year old daughter go through with a pregnancy.

So you also would rip the child from your child and murder it? Sick…that is sick. You are aware as a Catholic you are not allowed to support that idea aren’t you?

You really need to repent from that error. You may not understand why it is wrong, for that you need to ask God to help you. You may also want to ask a priest for assistance. But you can never consent to sin! You must uphold the laws of the Church, the laws of God, even if you don’t understand them.

 

[AugustineFL]

Catholic mommy:

This is where the poster was wrong. When he said, With all due repsect you dont really think that abortion is murder and wrong-you feel OTHER peoples abortions are murder and wrong. He is dead wrong there. I do think abortion is murder, yours or mine. I don’t think it is the right thing to do. I hate that people use it is birth control, because the pregnancy doesn’t fit into their life at that time. However, neither my husband nor I would encourage our daughter at age 11 to carry a baby if she had been raped. I think I would feel differently if she had been having sex with a boy and the pregnancy happened.

Quite frankly, I take issue with that poster telling me and others what *I * think, he does not have any idea who I am or what I think. He twisted my words to fit his thoughts.

I know I am going against the Catholic church with my feelings, luckily this situation in my life in hypothetical…

Hypothetical or not you have said that you know it is wrong and that you support murder in this case. Admitting that you know it is murder and still support it is really bad. If you could convince your self it isn’t evil then maybe you wouldn’t be as culpable. But to support murder knowing full well it is murder…that is really bad.

 

[AugustineFL]

Thank you for sharing! You’ve said it all! Amen & amen! It’s wonderfull that your mother gave you the gift of LIFE!
Mom of 5:

As the product of a rape (very young mom) I am glad I was given the gift of life. I praise God every day. I look around and think of all the wonderful people who would not have had life on this earth if I had been aborted. I think of my life and what I have been able to accomplish and hope this world has been better for my having been born. My bio mother went on to have a husband and family. I was raised in a loving adoptive home. Yes, she suffered, but I do know her and she is proud of herself and me.

NO TO ABORTION!!!

Love and peace,

Mom of 5

 

[AugustineFL]

Bella3502:

Thankfully at this moment this is a hypothetical situation.

FORCING an 11 year old child to have a baby is sick. And it is child abuse.

Your right…forcing an 11 year old to have a child is sick. That is part of the crime of the rapist. After the pregnancy occurs no one can change it. It isn’t ‘forcing’ her to have the baby after she is pregnant. The ‘forcing’ part was caused by the rapist. Now ripping the baby from her body would be a type of ‘force’.

 

[AugustineFL]

thechrismyster:

i just don’t understand how abortion is legal in this country.

Satan has done a good job! Let us double up on our prayers, sacrifice and rosarys for a revival in this land. We need God’s help.

 

[kurt]

Here’s a hypothetical question, supose that continuing with the pregnancy would pose a real threat to the 11 year old victim’s life. Since the the 11 year old child was raped and victimized, and did not choose to engage in an act that could make her pregnent, in forcing her do die in order to cary out the birth you would be killing an innocent child. Which innocent child is more worth killing, the 11 year old or the baby? Sometimes evil people can cause damage that can’t be fixed. There’s alot of talk about things being “sick” in this thread. The thing that I found to be sick was this part of the second response to this question;

1ke:

Molestation is a gravely disordered action, a serious sin, and a crime. The person who did such an act should be reported to the authorities and arrested or committed to psychiatric care.

No one else seems to have been impacted by this. The rapist and molester does not need PSYCHIATRIC CARE. He needs to, at the least, be impisoned, PUNISHED and removed from society for the rest of his life. People like this are not “sick”, they are evil.

 

[kaymart]

kurt:

Here’s a hypothetical question, supose that continuing with the pregnancy would pose a real threat to the 11 year old victim’s life. Since the the 11 year old child was raped and victimized, and did not choose to engage in an act that could make her pregnent, in forcing her do die in order to cary out the birth you would be killing an innocent child. Which innocent child is more worth killing, the 11 year old or the baby? Sometimes evil people can cause damage that can’t be fixed. There’s alot of talk about things being “sick” in this thread. The thing that I found to be sick was this part of the second response to this question;

No one else seems to have been impacted by this. The rapist and molester does not need PSYCHIATRIC CARE. He needs to, at the least, be impisoned, PUNISHED and removed from society for the rest of his life. People like this are not “sick”, they are evil.

The Church’s stand still would remain, you can not kill the baby to save the mother. Suppose it was a Catholic married, 32 year old mother of 4. She committed no sin, if fact she is following the Church’s teachings. With her 5th pregnancy she may die, under no circumstances can she have an abortion even if that means her children will become motherless. It is part of our Teachings. By the Grace of God I, myself am here today, for my last pregnancy was high risk, I too nearly died, I recieved Last Rights, only after my baby was safely born, did they do the emergency surgery to save my life. Now as far as those child molesters go (mind you I live in the State of New Jersey home of Meghan’s Law) these no good you know whats should be locked up with the keys thrown away. BTW around the time little Meghan died two other little girls from Monmouth County NJ (where I live) were raped and killed . They were Amanda from Manalapan and Latasha from Red Bank. I am a very strong believer in Meghan’s Law.

 

[thechrismyster]

AugustineFL:

Satan has done a good job! Let us double up on our prayers, sacrifice and rosarys for a revival in this land. We need God’s help.

God can take the horror of a rape and let it turn into a beautiful child.
satan can take the horror of a rape and let it turn into a murder.
humans have to choose which side they will stand on.

 

[LittleDeb]

thechrismyster:

God can take the horror of a rape and let it turn into a beautiful child.
satan can take the horror of a rape and let it turn into a murder.
humans have to choose which side they will stand on.

Well put! I like that!
I say, “There are worse things you can get from a rape than a baby.”

 

[jebojora]

Catholic mommy:

I’m with Jonah, so is my husband. Although we believe abortion is murder and wrong, we simply could not let our 11 year old daughter go through with a pregnancy.

Then you would be killing your own grandchild. How can you decide one life is more important then another? If abortion is murder then it is always murder. There can be no “exceptions.”

 

[estesbob]

thechrismyster:

God can take the horror of a rape and let it turn into a beautiful child.
satan can take the horror of a rape and let it turn into a murder.
humans have to choose which side they will stand on.

Well said!!!

 

[AugustineFL]

kurt:

…in forcing her do die in order to cary out the birth you would be killing an innocent child.

WRONG! Killing an innocent child would be purposely ripping the baby from her womb with the intent of killing it. Dying in child birth is sad but it isn’t the same thing as someone ripping your limbs off and MURDERING you.

Also with modern medical intervention it is unlikely that the unborn child would kill the mother. The mother doesn’t have to give birth vaginally; she can give birth by caesarian if there is a problem. Even if being pregnant were to kill her, which would be highly unlikely, it is morally permissible to allow someone to die a natural death. Murdering someone is NEVER PERMISABLE!

kurt:

No one else seems to have been impacted by this. The rapist and molester does not need PSYCHIATRIC CARE. He needs to, at the least, be impisoned, PUNISHED and removed from society for the rest of his life. People like this are not “sick”, they are evil.

Yes people like that are evil; however, murder of an unborn child is also just as evil if not more evil.

 

[AugustineFL]

thechrismyster:

God can take the horror of a rape and let it turn into a beautiful child.
satan can take the horror of a rape and let it turn into a murder.
humans have to choose which side they will stand on.

Very well said, I’ll have to remember that. That is so true.

 

[stbruno]

I have to agree…that is a keeper of a saying. Thank you.

 

[jebojora]

thechrismyster:

God can take the horror of a rape and let it turn into a beautiful child.
satan can take the horror of a rape and let it turn into a murder.
humans have to choose which side they will stand on.

Yes, a great way of putting it.
Thanks!