Questions about Homosexual Conversion/ReversalTherapy etc

[dapper]

I was wondering if anyone on this forum could attest to or provide a testimony to Homosexual/SSA conversion therapy/reversal etc. What is the process, why did you do it, where are you now, etc? I am willing to hear both sides - if you went through it and were not or were satisfied. I find this topic interesting.

I am gay and very happy with it. I have no intentions of doing this but am very curious to hear testimony of the process and how you feel about it now, if you have a family or are choosing to be celibate etc. I will not debate with you as to your decsion. I just would like to know why one does this, what the process is, and if they’re happy with the results. Thanks!!

 

[setter]

I was wondering if anyone on this forum could attest to or provide a testimony to Homosexual/SSA conversion therapy/reversal etc. What is the process, why did you do it, where are you now, etc? I am willing to hear both sides - if you went through it and were not or were satisfied. I find this topic interesting.

I am gay and very happy with it. I have no intentions of doing this but am very curious to hear testimony of the process and how you feel about it now, if you have a family or are choosing to be celibate etc. I will not debate with you as to your decsion. I just would like to know why one does this, what the process is, and if they’re happy with the results. Thanks!!

I would direct you to the web site www.narth.com for personal testimonies and articles on the efficacy of reparative/re-orientation therapy for those seeking to re-orient their sexual attraction from homosexual to heterosexual.

 

[dapper]

I would direct you to the web site www.narth.com for personal testimonies and articles on the efficacy of reparative/re-orientation therapy for those seeking to re-orient their sexual attraction from homosexual to heterosexual.

Thanks Setter. I would rather talk with someone here than to get the canned versions from NARTH and COURAGE. I do appreciate the reply though.

 

[setter]

Thanks Setter. I would rather talk with someone here than to get the canned versions from NARTH and COURAGE. I do appreciate the reply though.

A rather cynical and skeptical response to label someone’s personal disclosure and testimony to their authentic life changing expereince as “canned”.

I am wondering exactly what you are actually searching for?

 

[HoppityRedux]

I think it will be very difficult to find anyone outside of NARTH spokesmen who will testify to the effectiveness of their method.

 

[fix]

I found this interesting:

…Furthermore, we must make certain that we are helping our clients pursue both their divine purpose and end in a manner that moves them forward without demanding so much at any given time that they burn out or give up. Like any coach or trainer, you keep the goal ahead of you at all times while respecting and working through the limits that stand in the way of immediate progress. Over time, you can move the person forward toward greater wholeness and perfection in Christ without causes them to lose heart.

This is where organizations like Dignity and NACDLGM fall down. They use the “lived experience” of the people they serve as the starting and ending point of their work. They are caught up in an antiquated Rogerian idea that acceptance will make you free. But really, acceptance only makes you ready to do the real work. That’s not just true for Christians, btw. Research shows that to be true of progress in any therapy. And unless the real work is begun, then the only alternative is seeing oneself as a finished product and then working to get the rest of the world to agree.

exceptionalmarriages.com/weblog/BlogDetail.asp?ID=34009

I think he is a sharp guy with good insight.

I doubt that every single patient can be reoriented to heterosexuality as it seems results to all therapy differ according to many variables.

 

[dapper]

A rather cynical and skeptical response to label someone’s personal disclosure and testimony to their authentic life changing expereince as “canned”.

I am wondering exactly what you are actually searching for?

Don’t get your undies in a twist please. I would like to talk with someone here more candidly about how their experience at NARTH or COURAGE went. Why they did it, what the outcome was etc. I am also looking to hear from someone who went through this and was perhaps not satisfied and why. I am attempting to get both sides if possible.

So, what am I searching for? I am looking for someone who has no stake in either of those organizations to post their experience here or contact me privatley if they feel that to be more comfortable for them.

I am in no way interested in persuing this myself but am fascinated as to why one would choose to engage in groups/“therapy” such as NARTH and COURAGE… Does that clarify?

 

[setter]

I would like to talk with someone here more candidly about how their experience at NARTH or COURAGE went. Why they did it, what the outcome was etc. I am also looking to hear from someone who went through this and was perhaps not satisfied and why. I am attempting to get both sides if possible.

So, what am I searching for? I am looking for someone who has no stake in either of those organizations to post their experience here or contact me privatley if they feel that to be more comfortable for them.

I am in no way interested in persuing this myself but am fascinated as to why one would choose to engage in groups/“therapy” such as NARTH and COURAGE… Does that clarify?

Fair enough, thanks for explaining.

Out of curiosity if you care to respond, but are you also searching for the truth?

 

[dapper]

Fair enough, thanks for explaining.

Out of curiosity if you care to respond, but are you also searching for the truth?

Am I searching for the truth about what? Do you mean the CCC version of the truth in that homosexuality is a “disordered…blah blah blah?” I have heard that already and am not concerned with that line of thinking. This is more of a project. I am collecting data on these experiences at a more granular level. I have no intentions of joining NARTH or COURAGE. I love my homosexuality. I don’t want to change it and in no way conflicted. I am very happy with my partner of over 4 years whom I love very much. I really want to nail down why someone would go through this, what the process is, and how said people feel now after they have gone through it.

 

[setter]

I think it will be very difficult to find anyone outside of NARTH spokesmen who will testify to the effectiveness of their method.

Why is that do you think?

Here is a clinical compilation of personal testimony of patients who has successfully engaged in reparative therapy with an astute PhD psychologist who specializing in reparative therapy and who respects and honors client self-determination in the therapeutic change process.

Healing Homosexuality: Case Stories of Reparative Therapy by *Joseph, Ph.D. Nicolosi and Lucy Freeman *

Repairs Self-Esteem and Relatedness ~

“This insightful and readable book will help therapists and patients alike. Today, Gay Affirmative Therapy rightly demands respect for patients’ own goals. In that spirit, one must respect some gay men’s unhappiness with their identities and lifestyles. Reparative therapy, as the author says, does not explain all homosexuality, and it is not right for all gay men, but it can allow’ some to claim what they desire. What is repaired is self-esteem and relatedness to others.”

-Arno Karlen, author of Sexuality and Homosexuality

About the Author ~Joseph Nicolosi, Ph. D is founder and Clinical Director of the Thomas Aquinas Psychological Clinic, and co-founder of the National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality. He is a frequent lecturer and is in private practice in Encino, California.

TO PURCHASE FROM THE PUBLISHER:
1-800-782-0015 $30.00

 

[setter]

Am I searching for the truth about what? Do you mean the CCC version of the truth in that homosexuality is a “disordered…blah blah blah?” I have heard that already and am not concerned with that line of thinking. This is more of a project. I am collecting data on these experiences at a more granular level. I have no intentions of joining NARTH or COURAGE. I love my homosexuality. I don’t want to change it and in no way conflicted. I am very happy with my partner of over 4 years whom I love very much. I really want to nail down why someone would go through this, what the process is, and how said people feel now after they have gone through it.

So you real goal is to simply collect data on phenomenon in order to ponder why someone with a similiar struggle chose a different path to healing and wholeness.

Out of curiosity to understand your position, I repeat again: But what about truth? Are you in search of truth or just fancied with compiling data in subjective perusal in the absence/rejection of objective standards and norms for sorting and intepreting and drawing conclusions that further elucidate the full reality of the human organism?

 

[dapper]

Why is that do you think?

Here is a clinical compilation of personal testimony of patients who has successfully engaged in reparative therapy with an astute PhD psychologist who specializing in reparative therapy and who respects and honors client self-determination in the therapeutic change process.

I know that there has to be someone on this forum who has been through this kind of therapy. I would like to hear their story. I want to know why they went through it and what they feel the outcome was, how they are doing now etc. This is all in the name of data gathering. I would never do this myself but I will not judge one for doing this. I have my own opinion on it but would like to further my understanding of how this “reparative” treatment works and if these men (or women) felt it to be successful.

 

[dapper]

So you real goal is to simply collect data on phenomenon in order to ponder why someone with a similiar struggle chose a different path to healing and wholeness.

Out of curiosity to understand your position, I repeat again: But what about truth? Are you in search of truth or just fancied with compiling data in subjective perusal in the absence/rejection of objective standards and norms for sorting and intepreting and drawing conclusions that further elucidate the full reality of the human organism?

Seriously, I am failing to understand what you mean by “the truth.” If you mean “the truth” according ot the CCC, I am not interested in that. I know what the stance is. If someone feels that they need to reverse or repair what they feel is “disordered” that’s fine. I personally do not find homosexuality as a disordered sexual attraction. I merely want to know why they choose to do so, what the methodology is, and how they feel the outcome has improved (or not improved) their life.

I am not going to argue with this person or try to convince them that they have made a bad decsion doing so. Again, this is data gathering on the subject based on testimony of others.

 

[dapper]

Seriously, I am failing to understand what you mean by “the truth.” If you meen “the truth” according ot the CCC, I am not interested in that. I know what the stance is. If someone feels that they need to reverse or repair what they feel is “disordered” that’s fine. I personally do not find homosexuality as a disordered sexual attraction. I merely want to know why they choose to do so, what the methodology is, and how they feel the outcome has improved (or not improved) their life.

I am not going to argue with this person or try to convince them that they have made a bad decsion doing so. Again, this is data gathering on the subject based on testimony of others.

Setter, I know that we have spoken in the past…can I ask you? Have you been through this? Have you or are you afflicted with “SSA” and if so can you testify to the steps you took to try and overcome it? Please don’t take offence if I have pegged you the wrong way.I have seen you speak so fervently on the subject that it is leading me to believe that you know more intimately about it than most. Just curious.

 

[YinYangMom]

I know that there has to be someone on this forum who has been through this kind of therapy.

Well what do you consider “Homosexual Conversion/Reversal Therapy”?

You do realize it isn’t necessary to undergo any such treatment in order to live life according to God’s will?

This is a Catholic forum. The majority of members here are faithful Catholics and/or Christians who are doing what they can with what God gave them to live a life worthy of entrance into heaven.

Why would you presume there would be people here who have undergone the therapy you’re asking about?

If there are SSAers on the board they are mostly like you, convinced the life they are living is totally ok with God so they wouldn’t have gone through the therapy any more than you would.

Those SSAers who are trying to do the right thing are turning to the Church, to Mass, to Adoration, to devotional prayers, to COURAGE to help them live with their particular condition. Reversal therapy isn’t necessary for them.

The Church does not require a person to change who they are, they just can’t act on their desires, much in the same way heterosexual singles aren’t allowed to either. It’s a difficult cross to bear - having all this love to share but not being able to act on that desire - but it really is a matter of understanding the difference between real Love and Sex.

Reversal therapy isn’t necessary to understand the difference, and once one gets how wonderful Love is, how it can be shared without sex, happiness can be found.

I don’t understand why you would expect to find several cases on this forum of people who’ve undergone the therapy you are asking about. If you want testimonials then you should inquire on a board specifically geared toward people who’ve gone through it. You’ll find more cases for study there, but I see you consider those testimonials ‘canned’. If you’re inquiring for analytical purposes that’s not a very scientific way to view those testimonials. You want cases, you have cases, but you are subjectively dismissing the evidence you seek. Something’s off about your request.

 

[setter]

Seriously, I am failing to understand what you mean by “the truth.” If you mean “the truth” according ot the CCC, I am not interested in that.

I believe that you are missing the point, the point of my query, with you. I will try one more time: Do you believe that there exists absolute truth? Truth that is independent of subjective personal experience or deviations there of? Truth that reveals reality in its complete fullness and order of creation? And can man come to know (and desire to know) the truth?

I know what the stance is. If someone feels that they need to reverse or repair what they feel is “disordered” that’s fine. I personally do not find homosexuality as a disordered sexual attraction.

 

[dapper]

Well what do you consider “Homosexual Conversion/Reversal Therapy”?

You do realize it isn’t necessary to undergo any such treatment in order to live life according to God’s will?

This is a Catholic forum. The majority of members here are faithful Catholics and/or Christians who are doing what they can with what God gave them to live a life worthy of entrance into heaven.

Why would you presume there would be people here who have undergone the therapy you’re asking about?

If there are SSAers on the board they are mostly like you, convinced the life they are living is totally ok with God so they wouldn’t have gone through the therapy any more than you would.

Those SSAers who are trying to do the right thing are turning to the Church, to Mass, to Adoration, to devotional prayers, to COURAGE to help them live with their particular condition. Reversal therapy isn’t necessary for them.

The Church does not require a person to change who they are, they just can’t act on their desires, much in the same way heterosexual singles aren’t allowed to either. It’s a difficult cross to bear - having all this love to share but not being able to act on that desire - but it really is a matter of understanding the difference between real Love and Sex. Reversal therapy isn’t necessary to understand the difference, and once one gets how wonderful Love is, how it can be shared without sex, happiness can be found.

I know that. However, there are “treatments” out there for this. I merely want to know why one goes through them, what the process is, and what the results have been like for them.

I know that the church does not require one to go through this, however, some men and women do. I want to know why, what ends they are trying to acheive and if they think this has helped them or if they are no better (meaning that they still are homosexual) than when they started. I could read the NARTH and COURAGE page until I am blue in the face. I want to hear it from folks who have actually waled the walk with this to get a better understanding as to why they choose reparative therapy as an option.

 

[YinYangMom]

I know that. However, there are “treatments” out there for this. I merely want to know why one goes through them, what the process is, and what the results have been like for them.

I know that the church does not require one to go through this, however, some men and women do. I want to know why, what ends they are trying to acheive and if they think this has helped them or if they are no better (meaning that they still are homosexual) than when they started. I could read the NARTH and COURAGE page until I am blue in the face. I want to hear it from folks who have actually waled the walk with this to get a better understanding as to why they choose reparative therapy as an option.

But why would you think you’d find several cases here on this Catholic forum? Perhaps you might find one, two, maybe…but then I would suspect that person would not be comfortable discussing the matter on an open forum.

If insurance doesn’t cover this type of therapy then you won’t find a slew of cases, it’s that simple. Finding a group of those cases who did manage to finance such therapy on a Catholic forum is slim to none.

 

[dapper]

I believe that you are missing the point, the point of my query, with you. I will try one more time: Do you believe that there exists absolute truth? Truth that is independent of subjective personal experience or deviations there of? Truth that reveals reality in its complete fullness and order of creation? And can man come to know (and desire to know) the truth?

Then all opinions are equally valid so long as substantiated by personal experience or observation?

 

[dapper]

But why would you think you’d find several cases here on this Catholic forum? Perhaps you might find one, two, maybe…but then I would suspect that person would not be comfortable discussing the matter on an open forum.

If insurance doesn’t cover this type of therapy then you won’t find a slew of cases, it’s that simple. Finding a group of those cases who did manage to finance such therapy on a Catholic forum is slim to none.

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