Do you not realize that the verse is talking about worshiping Jesus also?
Muhammad was given golden plates?
**Please mes14, Try to read Quran before giving opinion. Quran was not written by inspiration (as bibleNT) was done by men. Quran is a revealed book. We Muslims believe the bible also to be a revealed book. But christians deny that it was revealed.
I’m still ROTFLMAO!
I don’t think anyone on either side questions the existence of angels, only what KIND of angel. The angel who “deceived” Joseph saved Jesus’ life because Herod ordered all the male babies killed. Would a devil save Jesus’ life? I hardly think so.
Thanks for your answer but I have to ask do all muslims twist things when putting forward their argument?
I didn’t really mean to twist anything in my argument, I always try to be clear. But typically if I’m not, the failing is mine (typing and thinking aren’t in sync, or I’ve left out something critical.) Sometimes the differences in viewpoints also hinders understanding. So sorry if it seemed I twisted anything.
Muslims believe that everyone is going to be held accountable.Whoa, I guess that’s what I get for stepping in w/out reading all the posts, but I was just responding to the original question / OP. He is the one that said the Quran is inspired. I really don’t know anything about it, I was just reading the quote he gave, and knowing the Muslims don’t believe in the trinity, I was giving an explanation to the statement that would fit w/the Muslim belief and why people shouldn’t believe in the trinity/Mary devotion. Regarding the golden plates when someone told me how it was similar to Joseph Smith’s story, sorry, I was told that but had never actually read it.
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**Well thanks for some consideration. Surely, the devil would like Jesus to be killed. The devil will not save Jesus. I agree with you.
So where does that passage mention an angel?
Not only that, but Peter died on a cross also. Now why would a follower of Jesus be willing to die on a cross for nothing?
Don’t worry, to be fair I think most of us have at times put things in ways that make our arguments sound more favourable and both Christians and Muslims have taken things out of context when quoting verses from each others book.I didn’t really mean to twist anything in my argument, I always try to be clear. But typically if I’m not, the failing is mine (typing and thinking aren’t in sync, or I’ve left out something critical.) Sometimes the differences in viewpoints also hinders understanding. So sorry if it seemed I twisted anything.
As regards to health, the same principle would apply. A person might pray for health and then recover, but then with the rest of his life he might waste his time or engage in sinful behavior. Or, like you mentioned, he might go on to be a better human being.
About saints performing miracles (even so-called “saints” in Islam), I generally discount them totally. That’s my personal opinion, because I don’t have any verifiable proof. Nobody can really prove they happened (or, for that matter, can prove that they didn’t happen.) So I won’t argue it with you.
I’m sure you know my opinion about praying to saints (if not, my opinion is that it’s a big no-no) and my proof (namely, the Qur’an, which I believe to be the miraculously revealed word of God.)
I generally try to avoid (I fail more often than I’d like unfortunately) arguing for or against something in Christianity based on Christian sources (i.e., the Bible), because I’m not an expert on those sources, nor are they (to me) sufficiently binding proof of anything whether they agree with me or not.
Sorry.
Maybe it does seem like I have a twisted way of arguing…
You seem to forget the Bible mentioning a prophet Balaam in the Book of Numbers… he was not an Israelite!! (Sorry to all the posters who have added so many posts since planten’s here quoted)
I believe that there is a view that angels send us messages from God in the form of dreams, as Elihu points out in the Book of Job… does this help you?
Here is something you might find interesting. It’s a film/documentry on the Star of Bethlehem. Click on the link and follow each part until you watch it all. Please watch it all because the really interesting bit comes right at the end. It shows biblical scriptural evidence for the birth and death of Jesus in a unique way.
This precludes the possibility that inspiration can come from God when in fact all inspiration comes from God. It also ignores the Muslim claim that the words from Allah came from inside Mohammad, a man.
Not only that, but Peter died on a cross also. Now why would a follower of Jesus be willing to die on a cross for nothing?
Muslims believe that Christianity is a false religion. Of course, Muslims will respond by arguing that Christianity is a false religion because it was corrupted by man, but that in its original state it was the message of Allah given to Jesus the son of Mary.
If Islam is true, the existence of Christianity makes no sense at all. Why would God allow Jesus’ followers to believe He died on a cross? It would lead to the formation of Christianity, a supposedly false religion.
If Christianity is true, the rise of Islam makes perfect sense. If it isn’t immediately clear why Christianity entails the rise of religions such as Islam, consider the following line of thought.
If Christianity is true, then the following statements are also true:
[1] People can come to God only through Jesus Christ.
[2] Satan is a real spirit being who wants to keep people from God.
Satan, by definition, is an evil spirit who wants to keep people from God. Now, if Satan wants to keep people from God, and if the way to God is through Jesus Christ, what would Satan’s highest priority be? His main goal wouldn’t be to get people to lead immoral lives [though he would prefer that we do, since this corrupts God’s created order]; instead, his primary aim would be to incite people to reject Christ, for this rejection is what keeps them separated from God.
But how would Satan convince people to reject Christ? We should note here that there are plenty of people in the world who simply don’t care about God. Satan doesn’t have to worry about them, because they aren’t interested in salvation anyway. Since his goal is to keep as many people from God as possible, we would expect Satan to be more focused on people who are to some extent concerned with religious matters. There are two ways to keep such people from God. Satan would either have to convince them that all “religious talk” is nonsense * or he would have to offer them a substitute for the truth *.
Thus, if Christianity is true, we would expect Satan to inspire religions that reject Christ’s sacrificial death and resurrection, even though these religions may be similar to Christianity in other [non-essential] respects. Now that we have a clear picture of what we would predict if Christianity were true, let us see how Islam matches up with our prediction.
The message of Islam is something like this: “Believe in God. Do good deeds. If you do enough of them, you’ll get to heaven. Respect Jesus, for he was a mighty prophet, who delivered God’s message to the children of Israel. Also believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he performed many miracles, and that he was the Messiah. But whatever you do, don’t believe that he died on the cross for your sins.** And don’t believe that he rose from the dead. In fact, the worst possible sin you can commit is to believe that Jesus is the Son of God.”
Notice that Islam rejects Christianity’s essential requirements for salvation while accepting certain other doctrines. For instance, Muslims are commanded to believe in God, but even Satan and his demons believe in God. Muslims are commanded to do good deeds, but all religions teach this. Muslims are allowed to believe certain things about Jesus [such as his prophet status and virgin birth], but these beliefs do not save a person. Yet when we come to beliefs that are essential for salvation – the deity of Christ, his death on the cross, and his resurrection from the dead – we find that Islam is violently opposed to these crucial doctrines. Islam, then, looks exactly like the religion we predicted that Satan would form, for it denies what is necessary for people to come to God.
Ref: “Deceptive God, Incompetent Messiah: What Islam Really Teaches About Allah and Jesus”
answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/deceptive_god.htm
This was a very interesting and thought-provoking post, sedonaman. Thank you. (I have no comments at this time, just wanted to throw in my :twocents:)
Not sure f the passage is trustworthy but this is worrying because I was giving Islam reluctant consideration.
Show me the exact bible verse saying an angel came to Pilate’s wife. Do not speculate, my dear brother.
The problem is no one can prove such revelation. The only thing you can present is self-claim. Off course Muhammad can claim anything such as the moon rise on the west (for instance) and have bloodshed defending it. You may believe him as his follower, and I won’t blame you for your decision.