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planten
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** swariffin, Cannonised by Planten at this moment. Thanks to J C.
I have broken the ice with this news**.
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I have broken the ice with this news**.
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planten
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**JC, Thanks. More good news. I always respected Pilate who tried his best to save beloved Jesus. That was enough of him. He was pressurised by the enemies of Jesus to deliver Jesus into the hands of the devils. Such devils are called Kafir in the Quran.
Now I am wondering, if people in Africa could be honoring Pilate and his wife, how much more they may be doing for Mary, the mother of Jesus.
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Now I am wondering, if people in Africa could be honoring Pilate and his wife, how much more they may be doing for Mary, the mother of Jesus.
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swariffin
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I think you are a serious kind of person, my dear friend. I just realize that you can be joking too.
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swariffin
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I know that there is a gospel of Pilate, who tried its best to point out how innocense Pilate was. But historically speaking, Pilate was sent to Galia (not France) in year 38 AD, and committed suicide there. It was under emperor Caligula if I am not mistaken, but I can check later.
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dzheremi
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Hahaha. Planten, you are too much sometimes…
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Steven_John
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I thought this may be interesting for you all.
Very recently a priest explained the “Catholic” understanding of saints.
It is like a corporation and God is the head of it, with much to be done He delegates jobs and this is why people pray to saints.
As you know from my posts it is far from my belief.
It is not my understanding of Catholic teaching.
It is far from the sharing i have seen here.
He is a priest i guess he has a better understanding but tried to offer an understanding. People in that parish put absolute trust in priests and call them Father repeat their words and follow their way.
my point is how easy oral teachings can mess up the truth even when well intended.
Very recently a priest explained the “Catholic” understanding of saints.
It is like a corporation and God is the head of it, with much to be done He delegates jobs and this is why people pray to saints.
As you know from my posts it is far from my belief.
It is not my understanding of Catholic teaching.
It is far from the sharing i have seen here.
He is a priest i guess he has a better understanding but tried to offer an understanding. People in that parish put absolute trust in priests and call them Father repeat their words and follow their way.
my point is how easy oral teachings can mess up the truth even when well intended.
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sedonaman
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Would that be revealed or inspired?
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ralphinal
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SHe may not have ever been Cannonized. Many of the saints were made saints more by popular acclaim or just because they should be.
The vast majority of the saints in the Bible (Peter, The BVM, etc) were never cannonized. They are just Saints.
There are traditions that say that Pilot’s wife became a Christian and eventually left Pilot, living in Jerusalem, hidden until he left for Gaul.
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sedonaman
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As the Jews see the Arabs freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1064285/posts .
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planten
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**Could not be any revelation to me. At the most it could be called inspired, or inner feeling because God informed (warned) the wife of Pilate of some thing. That was in the dream, most likely. She said that she suffered a lot due to the case of Jesus.
She called Jesus an innocent man (see bibleNT). She acted on the advice of God and informed her husband. She tried to do what she was told and tried to save Jesus.
I just had an idea about it. But long ago, I was told by some very learned person that wife of Pilate was a believer and follower of Jesus, we could say “She loved Jesus as a righteous person.” But I ignored all that information. I just used to feel well for her not knowing about her Cannonisation.
J C has done it all (gifted me) by giving more information that she was Cannonised and well respected in the eastern orthodox church in Africa. So I tried to take the blame of her Cannonisation. I hope not much of my fault. There is nothing adverse in the bible about that good lady. May Allah bless her with forgiveness and higher ranks in heavens.**
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swariffin
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If in fact that the wife of Pilate was a Christian at that time, or at least during the time when the gospel were written, she would have caught the attention of the gospel writers. There would be more detail written about her. The early Christians were like to gather together discussing the teaching of Jesus and breaking bread (Act 2:42). No way that a Christian to live by his/her self without any contact with other Christians. Being the wife or ex-wife of Pilate during the early Christian time, should gain attention of many fellow Christians, and her life would have been discussed by many. It is also interesting that only Matthew wrote this, not with other gospel writers. The fact that Jesus was considered as a “great man” was well known already even to the non-believer. So, the fact that Pilate’s wife said that Jesus was a great man, could not be crucial. Saying that God or angel sent the message to Pilate’s wife is purely speculative.
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Lapell
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I’d wish to add that many of us pray to God AND to the saints.
And that those who pray to the saints often ask them to join them in their prayer to God…
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Lapell
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Sorry that I hadn’t read this earlier!
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Lapell
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Do you absolutely need words from Jesus?
Jesus’mother interceded to him on behalf of those in the wedding feast of Cana (John 2). It doesn’t say if she was asked by anyone to do so, of course, but intercession bore fruit!
Also, in the Old Testament, you must have seen the wonders that the prophet Elisha performed in little things. Like Naaman the Syrian who came to be purified of his leper. Elisha then asked of him to bathe 7 times in the Jordan river. Naaman at first was furious and refused, but then he changed his mind and did what Elisha told him. And Naaman was purified and cured.
And once, when Elisha was dead, somebody threw a companion’s dead body into Elisha’s tomb, just to escape bandits more easily. Why and how did the corpse, when come into contact with Elisha’s bones, come back to life, I don’t know. I only know that it is reported in the 2nd Book of Kings that it did!!!
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Lapell
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Sister Amy, do you yourself take only what Jesus said as Jesus’ teachings, like it seems to be the case for a good number of Muslims, at least here on CAFs?
My understanding is that you came from a Protestant background. Well, to my knowledge they don’t take only Jesus’ words as His teachings. His works also are powerful works of God. Also, what the whole New Testament teaches authentically comes from Jesus through the Holy Spirit, not just the Gospels.
(Cradle Muslims disagree, but they were not raised in our faith, while you, unless I am mistaken, should be aware of this.)
My understanding is that you came from a Protestant background. Well, to my knowledge they don’t take only Jesus’ words as His teachings. His works also are powerful works of God. Also, what the whole New Testament teaches authentically comes from Jesus through the Holy Spirit, not just the Gospels.
(Cradle Muslims disagree, but they were not raised in our faith, while you, unless I am mistaken, should be aware of this.)
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Lapell
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Lapell
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Oops! I did it again!!!
The preceding post of mine should read these words as all being Sister Amy’s, not mine. The rest are my words.
Moreover, I meant not to include the quote starting with “I generally try to avoid(…)” to the end of the quote. As they appeared, one could think the words are mine but they aren’t.
How do you separate the quotes from your words when they are many? Up to now I was unsuccessful in leaving my own words outside of the coloured rectangles between two quotes. How do you do that? Can someone explain it to me, please?
Thank you…
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jakasaki
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Type your statement…
It’s the **one to the left **of the pound/hash mark… #
All my best,
Pam
New York
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Lapell
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jakasaki
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Adding to the assistance of your inquiry. If you want to browse and copy/quote scroll down to the statment of the invidual user, highlight what you need to address, and then copy and paste.
Once copy/paste is done, highlight it and then click on the quote icon.
All my best again,
Pam
New York
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