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On “ocean acidification”
Statement of
DR. JOHN T. EVERETT
Joint Hearing on
“EPA’s Role in Protecting Ocean Health”
before the
Subcommittees on Oversight and on Water and Wildlife of the
Committee on Environment and Public Works
United States Senate
May 11, 2010
…Importantly, oceans arealkaline - not acidic, so use of the term “acidification” unnecessarily promotes fear. If all the CO2 in the air were put into the ocean, the oceans would still be alkaline. With all this talk of acidification, we need to reassure bathers that their feet will not dissolve when they step into the ocean. Ocean water at the surface generally has a pH over 8 and neutral is 7.0 (pure water) while a puddle of rain water (pH 5.6) is 100 times more acidic after having picked up CO2 in its fall through the air. Many of our recreation lakes and drinking water reservoirs (such as most of those in some states; (e. g., 70% in Maine) have pH values so low that they are truly acidic (pH<7). There is nothing wrong with the fish and the water in these lakes. It is often just that the lakes have less limestone and more granite on their bottoms. Technically, we should say the oceans could become less alkaline, rather than more acidic. In any case, unlike rainwater, the oceans will never become acidic.
Dr .Everett goes on to expose the "science’ that promoted this fear by using "exaggeration’.
I have reviewed the major papers and the critiques of the papers.
Below are a few that I think merit bringing before the Committees. It is only a few that show no
obvious bias. For example, it is quite common among researchers vying for scarce funding
dollars to hype their findings or the importance of the problem. Whether it is the use of
hydrochloric (HCl) acid to mimic CO2 but which introduces other issues such as shell decay, or presenting the findings of grave consequences at high acidity while not mentioning the lack of
change at lower levels, or not investigating whether low pH was due to degraded water quality
from runoff and sewage, the real cause of reduced growth or mortality. In some cases a lower
base year is chosen that exaggerates the percentage change, such as “pH levels will drop 30%
from pre-industrial levels – when current levels are far less disputed, but the % change is less.
Each study must be scoured for hints of inappropriate procedures and unfounded statements.
None can be accepted at face value. The peer review process has warts. A good example is the dispute over whether acidification is good or bad for “shell”-forming plant plankton, a vital part of the ocean’s biology with the ability to sequester vast amounts of CO2. The first paper says more CO2 is good, the second that it is bad, and then the first successfully refutes the criticism and gets the last word, sustaining the positive assessment in great detail - all published in Science. This is important because much of the alarmist literature is based on work that is refuted in this series. The verdict: shell forming algae do much better in a higher CO2 environment.
A MUST read:
tinyurl.com/33prwbd

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The science is settled: Kimmie wins.
I agree, but settling this argument with facts and logic requires a lot of persistence in the face a brainwashed generation. A lot of people seem to think that if they are worried about something, other people are required to respond to those fears, rational or not.

You go girl.👍
 
I agree, but settling this argument with facts and logic requires a lot of persistence in the face a brainwashed generation. A lot of people seem to think that if they are worried about something, other people are required to respond to those fears, rational or not.

You go girl.👍
Thank You! And a Happy New Years! 🙂
 
My guess is that Socialized Medicine if anything has more impact on the influx of prostitution than any other mandated factor that you can name after birth control and abortion.
 
My guess is that Socialized Medicine if anything has more impact on the influx of prostitution than any other mandated factor that you can name after birth control and abortion.
👍👍

Happy New Years! 🙂

Sociology / sociologists IMO haven’t helped as a whole.
 
I notice you haven’t bothered to defend those graphs .

Surely, a believer in AGW post-normal science ? ] such as yourself, would want to?

Oh, an academic paper one with references and academic diligence ]? I’d love to read it - care to post it on a web page?

Happy New Year 🙂
Not sure what graphs you’re referring to – the ones I posted on another thread??

Here they are again:

There is also the issue that short term trends are not significant indicators of climate but rather show short term variability within the long term climate trend. You need to look over many decades to see what is happening. So you cannot say GW stopped just based on a few years, even a 10 period. Note for example:

1998-2008:
http://ossfoundation.us/projects/en...-records/HADCRUT3_1998-2008.png/image_preview

1999-2009:
http://ossfoundation.us/projects/en...-records/HADCRUT3_1999-2009.png/image_preview

1880-2009:
http://ossfoundation.us/projects/en...-records/HADCRUT3_1880-2009.png/image_preview

On this last graph, eyeball the 1880 through 1940s temps and guesstimate an average horizontal line for that period and draw it out to the end. See how many of the temps after the 1940s are above that line, even the relative cooler 2008 temp.

There are high odds that something is driving the climate to become warmer – it is very unlikely temps in the recent decades are just natural fluctuations.
 
There are high odds that something is driving the climate to become warmer – it is very unlikely temps in the recent decades are just natural fluctuations.
How do you figure there are “high” odds that something is driving it warmer and it is not natural?

What drove it colder in history and why wasn’t it “high” odds that something unnatural made it so cold?

Has it never been warmer than it is today for as far back as science can tell?
 
How do you figure there are “high” odds that something is driving it warmer and it is not natural?

What drove it colder in history and why wasn’t it “high” odds that something unnatural made it so cold?

Has it never been warmer than it is today for as far back as science can tell?
Of course, there have always been climate forcings, from the beginning of earth – the sun (its slowly increasing irradiation, and its solar cycles of more & less irradiation (we are in a solar minimum right now)), earth’s orbit, earth’s wobble, the configuration and position of land masses, greenhouse gases. There have been periods of much greater cold, even than typical ice ages – snowball earth. And there have been periods of much greater warming, like the end-Permian extinction 251 mya when 90%+ of life on earth died out, and there have been other warming that led to extinctions, like the Paleo-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) 55 mya.

The climate science of today is based on these things:
  1. paleoclimatology
  2. observations
  3. models
  4. physics
If a true experiment could be done (it would never pass the IRB), and we had 2 earths, one on which we emit gigatons of GHGs over a couple hundred year period, and the other we do not, and we let the experiment run its course for 1000s of years (the end-Permian warming, I believe, took over 200,000 years to play out), then we could easily see whether those GHGs we emitted would lead to the great warming and extinction of most, if not all of life on earth.

The computer models (so greatly bashed by denialists) help us establish what’s going on based on: paleoclimatology (which puts parameters around sensitivity, etc); observations of temps, etc; and physics, esp. pertaining to the physics behind the greenhouse effect. Then having simulated the past climate fairly well based on all their knowledge and the capabilites of the computers and programming, they then run these forward to see what might happen, and make projections. Since some decades have past, they have found their projections to be fairly actuate. In fact, one projection considered that they could be a great volcano eruption that would temporarily lead to some cooling, and that in fact did happen, and it did lead to cooling.

So the scientists, who are working very hard with top brain power and computer & programming power (which is never quite enough), are fairly satisfied that their projections of the past are panning out now and are fairly accurate.

I’m really wowed by their abilities and hard work. I’m also concerned about the “known unknowns” (they cannot well predict collapse of ice sheets and such, because that involves mechanics beyond simple warming). Also there are issues with the ocean, because it takes a long time to warm, and also there are layers that are vertically mixing/stationary at various degrees. And the role of clouds is also not extremely well known, nor the response of biota – esp since there are so many factors and impacts at work. This is a fast evolving science, and new studies and information are coming out all the time. I’ve been following it for over 20 years, and the directions is “it’s worse than we thought.”

I think we should keep our eyes on the end-Permian extinction, since its great warming was about 6C higher than some 100 years ago, and we are now nearing 1C higher than 100 years ago, with more warming in the pipes (due to all these lag times) that could put us at 2.4C warmer even if we halt all GHG emissions (an impossibility). There is some cause to think that if we reach 3C warmer or even less that could trigger the climate-earth system to melt CH4 from permafrost and some ocean hydrates, that would push us to 6C warmer, if not by the end of this century (which is a possibility), then by the end of next century. There is also cause to worry bec we are doing the initial warming a lot faster than other times in history, and the solar irradiation is greater than it was, say, 251 mya, or even 55 mya, during previous hysteresis warming episodes. Some scientists think if we burn all fossil fuels (esp coal) we could push the system into a venus syndrome and end all life on earth, and are very sure, if we also burn tar sands and oil shale fuels.

It just makes sense to reduce our GHGs as much as possible (without harm to us), and that can be done to a large extent. Their may come a time when even if we were to reduce to zero (an impossibility) we will have pushed the system beyond tipping points into irreversible hysteresis warming (destroying much/most life on earth) or into runaway warming (ending all life on earth). It just makes sense to act now and do the wise things.
 
How do you figure there are “high” odds that something is driving it warmer and it is not natural?

What drove it colder in history and why wasn’t it “high” odds that something unnatural made it so cold?

Has it never been warmer than it is today for as far back as science can tell?
The use of the expression by the other poster … “high odds” … is highly unscientific.

As you stated, there is history … there are natural cycles. We learn about them all the time. The Sahara Desert used to be a savannah with forests and large lakes; and it cycles back and forth … in this case, perhaps, a wobble in the earth’s rotation.

We KNOW that the sun’s emissions follow a somewhat regular/irregular cycle … counting up the sun spots is merely a way of measuring one of those cycles.

We also know that sometimes the earth’s temperature follows the RATE OF CHANGE of certain cycles.

And we know there are MANY different cycles impacting the earth.

And the previous poster didn’t list any of them.

More carbon dioxide causes better crop growth. We know that.

Colder temperatures cause crop failures. We know that.

Warmer temps are better than colder temps. We know that. A degree or two warmer would be better. We know that.

But, gee whiz …

Science does not use the expression: “high odds”.

[what follows is sarcasm]

It’s like breathing on a pair of dice before tossing them.

Daddy needs a new pair of shoes!

Step on a crack and break your mother’s back.

Black cat walking under a ladder.

A purely emotional and superstitious reaction.

I thought this was about science.

A listing and discussion of previously observed cycles is science.

“high odds” is NOT SCIENCE!!
 
It gets better!

Wesley J. Smith dug this up too:
If Dr, Raymond Sunburn is so famous as the article states, how come when I did a google search on him, the only thing that came up was the article you’ve posted?

Looks like nothing more than tabloid journalism

Jim
 
RE my paper on Food Rights & Climate Change, It’s in press and should be out sometime early this year. Here are some passages and references that may be of more interest here:

What might global warming and its effects mean for food and food production? First we need to address the argument that elevated carbon dioxide levels increase crop production. Aside from this being disingenuous because the CO2 is also causing warming and other effects that could be harmful to crops, there is evidence that increasing CO2 will not help crops as much as expected, and may even harm some crops and sea life, never mind the warming (Cline 2007: 23-26). While earlier enclosed studies showed increased growth with added CO2, recent open field studies show less increase and even a decline of some crops (Long, et al. 2006, Cruz, et al. 2007: 480). Furthermore, crops were found to be less nutritious (Högy, et al. 2009), and had greater pest damage (Hunter 2001). In the real world, crop growth is affected by many factors beyond CO2, including other nutrients, water supply, climate, extreme weather events, soil moisture, toxins expected to increase with global warming, and soil acidification from CO2 (Oh and Richter 2004). So while CO2 may moderately enhance crops up to a point, these other factors are expected to limit the potential enhancement and even lead to eventual declines. When the impact of warming is considered, a nonlinear relationship regarding crop productivity has been found for mid and high latitudes – the U.S., Canada, Europe, Russia, Japan and Northern China – with increased yields projected up to around 2050, after which the warming causes sharp decrease (Schlenker and Roberts 2009). A more recent study has found that climate change has already reduced some crops globally, despite CO2 fertilization and improved technology (Lobell, et al. 2011). As for sea life, an important human food supply, CO2-caused ocean acidification is having negative impacts on zooplankton (at the base of the food chain), shellfish, fish, and coral reefs, home to one-fourth of sealife (Rogers and Laffoley 2011; Doney, et al. 2009; Hoegh-Guldberg, et al. 2007; Munday, et al. 2010).

Assessing climate change’s impact on agricultural productivity is difficult, since many factors cannot be easily predicted or quantified (see Gornall, et al. 2010). Perhaps the greatest global warming threat to agricultural production is drought and heat stress (Battisti and Naylor 2009; Dai 2010). Warmer air holds more moisture, leading to soil and plant desiccation (Cline 2007:26). Furthermore, this can lead to increased deluges, sometimes even during droughts (Parry, et al. 2007: 75, Dai 2010:16), as happened in the 2009 floods in India, which was suffering its worst drought in a century; crop and property losses in one state were calculated at $3 billion, with food prices expected to soar (NDTV 2009). Increased desiccation, along with possible increased wind events, is also expected to increase wildfire risk. Even areas with increased precipitation may experience crop and livestock loss from flooding and root waterlogging. The Pakistani flood, Russian heatwave and fires, and other extreme events around the world in the summer of 2010 fit what is expected in a globally warming world.

Water reduction from glacial and snowpack retreat due to global warming is another threat to irrigation-fed agriculture (UNEP 2009; Kehrwald, et al. 2008). One third of the world’s population and their agriculture rely on the annual glacial and snowpack cycle, including forty percent of agriculture in India and China; in winter the snowpack increases, then melts in summer releasing water for irrigation (Kundzewicz, et al. 2008: 5). At this point glacial and snowpack melt are swelling rivers, causing floods (Cruz, et al. 2007). If and when glaciers melt away there could be massive rain events and floods during winter, with no water for irrigation in summer (Kundzewicz, et al. 2008).

Seafood is also threatened by global warming (Rogers and Laffoley 2011). The deep ocean current seems to be slowing, which slows the upwelling of nutrients, harming the ocean food chain. Warm waters also reduce upwelling and support less sea life (Roemmich and McGowan 1995; Hays, et al. 2005). Oschlies, et al. (2008) project a 50 percent increase in oxygen-poor “dead” zones in tropical oceans within this century due to global warming, greatly reducing seafood production in places such as western Africa and Peru.

NOTE: I quote the famous Ch. 10 Asia of the 4AR IPCC WGII Impacts (Cruz, et al.). Since I had given the paper as a conference presentation years ago, I read about the 2035 glacier melt date (p. 493), and greatly suspected it was wrong, bec of what I knew from climate scientists, and tracked it to a non-peer-reviewed source. So I did not include that date in my paper.

Most climate scientists work on WGI “science” chapters, not these WGII impact chapters, so it was sometime later that a glaciologist discovered the error.

What amazed me is that it seems no one but myself and a lone glaciologist had read that chapter about the impacts of global warming on Asia. That was my “glaciergate,” that nobody really cares about the harms done to Asia.

So anyway no harm done to the science – I don’t think anyone used that date in their papers or presentations – only the ongoing global warming harm we insist on doing to the Asians and others.
 
Here are the references for that section:

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I hate to have to tell you this … but … glaciers melt all the time.

It’s been going on for millions of years:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_glacial_period
And sometimes during warming hysteresis (or runaway warming) they completely melt – as we are pushing it now. (There are also fossils of palm trees and alligators in the arctic 🙂 .)

It is the glacial & snowpack cycle that is important to today’s agriculture and billions of people on earth. The snow builds up in the winter, and during the summer warmth the glacier/snowpack melt and that water is used for irrigation. A great deal of people around the world (I think it may be 60%) are dependent on this cycle for agriculture, and the disappearance of glaciers will put a large portion of humanity at risk of starvation – 40% of India & 40% of China, plus people in many other nations around the world.

However, some are doing a few thinks to solve the problem of shrinking glaciers, tho it is still dependent on long freezing winters (which eventually will become rarer and rarer). See “A Himalayan Village Builds Artificial Glaciers to Survive Global Warming” at scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=artificial-glaciers-to-survive-global-warming

I have faith in human ingenuity, but I’m a bit dubious about human compassion to reduce GHGs so as to reduce their harms. I think the ego gets in the way.
 
And sometimes during warming hysteresis (or runaway warming) they completely melt – as we are pushing it now. (There are also fossils of palm trees and alligators in the arctic 🙂 .)

It is the glacial & snowpack cycle that is important to today’s agriculture and billions of people on earth. The snow builds up in the winter, and during the summer warmth the glacier/snowpack melt and that water is used for irrigation. A great deal of people around the world (I think it may be 60%) are dependent on this cycle for agriculture, and the disappearance of glaciers will put a large portion of humanity at risk of starvation – 40% of India & 40% of China, plus people in many other nations around the world.

However, some are doing a few thinks to solve the problem of shrinking glaciers, tho it is still dependent on long freezing winters (which eventually will become rarer and rarer). See “A Himalayan Village Builds Artificial Glaciers to Survive Global Warming” at scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=artificial-glaciers-to-survive-global-warming

I have faith in human ingenuity, but I’m a bit dubious about human compassion to reduce GHGs so as to reduce their harms. I think the ego gets in the way.
The Wisconsin glacier that covered a huge amount of the United States and North America, melted 10,000 years ago. There was no human involvement.

And absolutely no indication … and certainly no evidence … that human involvement is involved in any of the current changes that are taking place.

Here is just a very brief excerpt from that essay on past glacial meltings:

The last glacial period is sometimes colloquially referred to as the “last ice age”, though this use is incorrect because an ice age is a longer period of cold temperature in which ice sheets cover large parts of the Earth, such as Antarctica. Glacials, on the other hand, refer to colder phases within an ice age that separate interglacials. Thus, the end of the last glacial period is not the end of the last ice age. The end of the last glacial period was about 12,500 years ago, while the end of the last ice age may not yet have come: little evidence points to a stop of the glacial-interglacial cycle of the last million years.

The last glacial period is the best-known part of the current ice age, and has been intensively studied in North America, northern Eurasia, the Himalaya and other formerly glaciated regions around the world. The glaciations that occurred during this glacial period covered many areas, mainly on the Northern Hemisphere and to a lesser extent on the Southern Hemisphere. They have different names, historically developed and depending on their geographic distributions: Fraser (in the Pacific Cordillera of North America), Pinedale, Wisconsinan or Wisconsin (in central North America), Devensian (in the British Isles), Midlandian (in Ireland), Würm (in the Alps), Mérida (in Venezuela), Weichselian (in Scandinavia and Northern Europe), Vistulian (in northern Central Europe), Valdai in Eastern Europe and Zyryanka in Siberia, Llanquihue in Chile, and Otira in New Zealand.
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