Radical Environmentalism: Now Global Warming Causes Prostitution?

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You also, seem to try to shift the focus to the date stated in the IPCC 2007, as an “error” a “mistake”…EVEN AFTER EVIDENCE from the co-lead of WG2 10…STATES:

“We thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action”

Dr Murari Lal

Glacier scientist: I knew data hadn’t been verified.
dailymail.co.uk/news/arti…#ixzz0dUoPiTkG
IT WAS DELIBERATE.

Why would you continue to try to dismiss a DELIBERATE as just being one of “error” or "mistake’?
This is the first time I’m hearing this, and of course it is sad to exaggerate in order to get people to do the right thing, but I can understand the temptation to do so, esp by the people of India, since (let’s face it) the West really doesn’t give a blank whether they live or die, they are “written off” people. Most Indians are very poor and living close to the margins, as is. Any addition burden from CC negative effects would be extremely serious for them. It is very hard for us in the West to appreciate that – for us a hurricane or flood just means we might have to start from scratch again. For many Indians it could mean starvation and death.

Right now the melting glaciers are causing problems of flooding; and it seems there has been greater flooding (I know my mother-in-law’s house in S. India was flooded several times over the past 15 years, and each time it got higher and higher). For the poor, it meant their mud huts were washed away, and their 2 or 3 acres of crops (on which their family depended) were destroyed.

These past events were likely exacerbated by climate change, but they will surely be much worse in the future.

Even if we love our children here in the West (which I doubt), we surely do not love the children of India, or Africa, or other poor countries.
 
This is the first time I’m hearing this, and of course it is sad to exaggerate in order to get people to do the right thing, but I can understand the temptation to do so, esp by the people of India, since (let’s face it) the West really doesn’t give a blank whether they live or die, they are “written off” people. Most Indians are very poor and living close to the margins, as is. Any addition burden from CC negative effects would be extremely serious for them. It is very hard for us in the West to appreciate that – for us a hurricane or flood just means we might have to start from scratch again. For many Indians it could mean starvation and death.

Right now the melting glaciers are causing problems of flooding; and it seems there has been greater flooding (I know my mother-in-law’s house in S. India was flooded several times over the past 15 years, and each time it got higher and higher). For the poor, it meant their mud huts were washed away, and their 2 or 3 acres of crops (on which their family depended) were destroyed.

These past events were likely exacerbated by climate change, but they will surely be much worse in the future.

Even if we love our children here in the West (which I doubt), we surely do not love the children of India, or Africa, or other poor countries.
:banghead: How many times have we said that you cannot contribute a specific weather event to climate change. These things happen without any human intervention, what makes you think AGW had anything to do with it.
Floods however, are probably more prevalent because of Hydroelectric power (aka a green energy:eek:). The more we put up dams the more flooding and other environmental impacts happen down river.

Oh yes, and the melting glaciers, except for the ones that are growing. You realize of course that the flooding has probably been that high in Indiana before. Go look at the flood planes, If her house in in the 100 year flood plane, I bet there was a time when the flooding has been even higher.
 
:banghead: How many times have we said that you cannot contribute a specific weather event to climate change.
You obviously have not been keeping up. Of course no single weather event can be attributed to climate change. Climate is the statistical aggregate of weather events.

However, they are now better able to attribute increases in such weather events to climate change by way of showing that the probability of all these happening under pre-global warming conditions is very very small. I’ve save some of the studies, but I’m not going to bother looking them up bec I don’t have much time, and you will just diss them anyway.
 
:banghead: How many times have we said that you cannot contribute a specific weather event to climate change. These things happen without any human intervention, what makes you think AGW had anything to do with it.
Floods however, are probably more prevalent because of Hydroelectric power (aka a green energy:eek:). The more we put up dams the more flooding and other environmental impacts happen down river.

Oh yes, and the melting glaciers, except for the ones that are growing. You realize of course that the flooding has probably been that high in Indiana before. Go look at the flood planes, If her house in in the 100 year flood plane, I bet there was a time when the flooding has been even higher.
Of course, attribution of the “melting glacier” thing … well, some of them, at least, were traced back to a bar room conversation. [mixing bad models*, bad data, and gossip … bad science.]
  • if you read that 2010 report, it shows there were really gross errors in the models … really bad stuff … that some sharp-eyed grad student should have spotted on day 1.
[Sigh.]

landshape.org/news/documents/us-senate-climategate-report.pdf

Here are a bunch of quotes from pages 70 and 71: [If these don’t make you cringe, nothing will … and we are supposed to put blind faith on the work product of these people???]

*Back to the gridding. I am seriously worried that our flagship gridded data product is produced by Delaunay triangulation - apparently linear as well. As far as I can see, this renders the station counts totally meaningless. It also means that we cannot say exactly how the gridded data is arrived at from a statistical perspective - since we’re using an off-the-shelf product that isn’t documented sufficiently to say that. Why this wasn’t coded up in Fortran I don’t know - time pressures perhaps? Was too much effort expended on homogenisation, that there wasn’t enough time to write a gridding procedure? Of course, it’s too late for me to fix it too. Meh.​

Now looking at the dates… something bad has happened, hasn’t it. COBAR AIRPORT AWS cannot start in 1962, it didn’t open until 1993! Looking at the data - the COBAR station 1962- 2004 seems to be an exact copy of the COBAR AIRPORT AWS station 1962-2004, except that the latter has more missing values. Now, COBAR AIRPORT AWS has 15 months of missing value codes beginning Oct 1993… coincidence? --------

I am seriously close to giving up, again. The history of this is so complex that I can’t get far enough into it before by head hurts and I have to stop. Each parameter has a tortuous history of manual and semi-automated interventions that I simply cannot just go back to early versions and run the update prog. I could be throwing away all kinds of corrections - to lat/lons, to WMOs (yes!), and more.

So what the hell can I do about all these duplicate stations? Well, how about fixdupes.for? That would be perfect - except that I never finished it, I was diverted off to fight some other fire. Aarrgghhh.

I - need - a - database - cleaner.

What about the ones I used for the CRUTEM3 work with Phil Brohan? Can’t find the bugger!! Looked everywhere, Matlab scripts aplenty but not the one that produced the plots I used in my CRU presentation in 2005. Oh, F**K IT. Sorry. I will have to WRITE a program to find potential duplicates. It can show me pairs of headers, and correlations between the data, and I can say

70
‘yay’ or ‘nay’. There is the finddupes.for program, though I think the comment for this program sums it up nicely:
’ program postprocdupes2 c Further post-processing of the duplicates file - just to show how **** the c program that produced it was! Well - not so much that but that once it was c running, it took 2 days to finish so I couldn’t really reset it to improve c things. Anyway, this version does the following useful stuff: c (1) Removes and squirrels away all segments where dates don’t match; c (2) Marks segments >5 where dates don’t match; c (3) Groups segments from the same pair of stations; c (4) Sorts based on total segment length for each station pair’

You see how messy it gets when you actually examine the problem?​

Well, dtr2cld is not the world’s most complicated program. Wheras cloudreg is, and** I immediately found a mistake! Scanning forward to 1951 was done with a loop that, for completely unfathomable reasons, didn’t include months! So we read 50 grids instead of 600!!! That may have had something to do with it. I also noticed, as I was correcting THAT, that I reopened the DTR and CLD data files when I should have been opening the bloody station files!!** I can only assume that I was being interrupted continually when I was writing this thing. Running with those bits fixed improved matters somewhat, though now there’s a problem in that one 5-degree band (10S to 5S) has no stations! This will be due to low station counts in that region, plus removal of duplicate values.*
 
By the way, as some people are aware, they are using airport temperature data, which is ok for pilots of airplanes, but no where nearly good enough for science that is worried about a 0.01º average annual temperature increase.

Like trying to measure the thickness of a piece of paper with a yard stick.

Now looking at the dates… something bad has happened, hasn’t it. COBAR AIRPORT AWS cannot start in 1962, it didn’t open until 1993! Looking at the data - the COBAR station 1962- 2004 seems to be an exact copy of the COBAR AIRPORT AWS station 1962-2004, except that the latter has more missing values. Now, COBAR AIRPORT AWS has 15 months of missing value codes beginning Oct 1993… coincidence? --------
 
I’ve save some of the studies, but I’m not going to bother looking them up bec I don’t have much time, and you will just diss them anyway.
Let me get this straight:

You know you’re right because you have papers proving you are right…

But you won’t produce those papers - because you know you are right?
 
Right now the melting glaciers are causing problems of flooding; and it seems there has been greater flooding (I know my mother-in-law’s house in S. India was flooded several times over the past 15 years, and each time it got higher and higher). For the poor, it meant their mud huts were washed away, and their 2 or 3 acres of crops (on which their family depended) were destroyed.
This is the Glacier feeding the holy Ganges River

http://www.theresilientearth.com/files/images/himilayan_glacier.jpg

Taken in September HEIGHT of Monsoon Season ] in the year 2008 one of the worse recent flood years for India ].
nytimes.com/2008/08/30/world/asia/30india.html

IS THERE A RAGING RIVER IN EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER PICTURE?

No?

Then it must not be glacier melt causing river flooding.

Then what is?

Monsoons

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsoon

BUT CAN WE ATTRIBUTE AGW TO FREQUENCY OF MONSOONS?

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/picture.php?albumid=1691&pictureid=11702
 
By the way, as some people are aware, they are using airport temperature data, which is ok for pilots of airplanes, but no where nearly good enough for science that is worried about a 0.01º average annual temperature increase.
Ask where EPA takes it’s Air Quality Measurement Data in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania.:D:D

It’s at a bus terminal where buses idle 24/7 - 365 🤷🤷
 
Ask where EPA takes it’s Air Quality Measurement Data in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania.:D:D

It’s at a bus terminal where buses idle 24/7 - 365 🤷🤷
In fact, I would betcha, that if you checked every urban area, and looked at where the sensors are located … they would be right at where bus engine exhaust is at its peak. Major bus stops, bus terminals. Some years ago, there was even a mini-scandal about that, but it passed after a day or two.
 
Of course, attribution of the “melting glacier” thing … well, some of them, at least, were traced back to a bar room conversation. [mixing bad models*, bad data, and gossip … bad science.]
  • if you read that 2010 report, it shows there were really gross errors in the models … really bad stuff … that some sharp-eyed grad student should have spotted on day 1.
[Sigh.]

landshape.org/news/documents/us-senate-climategate-report.pdf
It is terrible. Lynnvinc is trying to scare us with her stories about flooding. But when you actually go back and look, yes there is flooding, but guess what, you are living on a stinking flood plane. (Which are 100 year tables) So yeah, there might not have been any flooding 20 years ago when you build the house, but sometime in the last 100 years there has been major flooding.

I used to live in an area that was susceptible to flash flooding (not my dwelling but the area) because of lots of hills and heavy rains caused by lake effect. Exasperated by old and poor drainage and sewage. This has nothing to do with AGW.
The Red river on the border of North Dakota and Minnesota floods every year, and yet people still build their houses on the 100 year flood plane.

And a lot of flooding is caused by us using the rivers for hydroelectric power-Dams! Oh no green energy causing problems again. :eek::rolleyes:

The 3 Gorges Dam in China not only displaced many people and stole their livelyhoods, but has caused disastrous flooding, and has become an environmental disaster, with the build up of silt and the killing of fish (harming even more people who live off the river).
 
THE INVESTIGATION THE IPCC - WWF - EDF - NGO’S HATE

Researcher Ms Donna Laframboise
nofrakkingconsensus.com/my-book/

A teaser here
nofrakkingconsensus.files.wor…ger_sample.pdf

Fully referenced…most from IPCC itself

Add this to the US Senate Climategate 2010 Report

landshape.org/news/documents/…ate-report.pdf

landshape.org/news/documents/us-senate-climategate-report.pdf

BOTH ARE MUST READS IF YOU PAY ANY ENERGY TAX 👍👍
Sorry, broken link to the teaser above
nofrakkingconsensus.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/delinquentteenager_sample.pdf
 
It is terrible. Lynnvinc is trying to scare us with her stories about flooding. But when you actually go back and look, yes there is flooding, but guess what, you are living on a stinking flood plane. (Which are 100 year tables) So yeah, there might not have been any flooding 20 years ago when you build the house, but sometime in the last 100 years there has been major flooding.

I used to live in an area that was susceptible to flash flooding (not my dwelling but the area) because of lots of hills and heavy rains caused by lake effect. Exasperated by old and poor drainage and sewage. This has nothing to do with AGW.
The Red river on the border of North Dakota and Minnesota floods every year, and yet people still build their houses on the 100 year flood plane.

And a lot of flooding is caused by us using the rivers for hydroelectric power-Dams! Oh no green energy causing problems again. :eek::rolleyes:

The 3 Gorges Dam in China not only displaced many people and stole their livelyhoods, but has caused disastrous flooding, and has become an environmental disaster, with the build up of silt and the killing of fish (harming even more people who live off the river).
Real scientists don’t fight to the death with take-no-prisoners rhetoric … they examine every fact and facet to be absolutely sure of their theory.

You don’t see that with the AGW advocates.

The advocates look at AGW as a passion. Not as science. Not as data to be examined by everybody openly and freely.

Real scientists do not look at their ideas as something to be stonewalled. Not as “their thing”. Not as “their baby”.

Real science is very dispassionate.

Data, data, data.

Not manipulation, manipulation, manipulation.
 
…The advocates look at AGW as a passion. Not as science…
Right on that. We don’t like harming and killing people. It is a passion with us. And we don’t like seeing people ending up in a much hotter place than a globally warmed world for all eternity. It’s a passion. I would give my life for such causes.

The science is only the foundation. If tomorrow that scientist said they had found out that global warming is not happening and in fact we are headed for an ice age, then I’d still be out there campaigning for us to reduce our fossil fuel use.

Well, we’d really need it once the ice age kicks in 🙂
 
Right on that. We don’t like harming and killing people.
But you don’t picket Mr Gore?
It is a passion with us.
A person of passion has an open mind aways ready to learn more about their subject of interest, no matter what they learn along the way.

A person of obsession hangs to a narrow set of beliefs. They ignore evidence contrary to their established obsessions, plodding along with self imposed blinders. Some will decide to swim… when the water finally reaches their neck…but most persons obsessed will , even then, continue holding their beliefs above empirical evidence.
I would give my life for such causes.
Sorry, I don’t believe that statement.
If you thought that strongly, why not cut back your energy footprint another 50% to offset a small fraction of Mr Gores energy footprint - and then picket him? Surely, it is no secret to you that Mr Gore has one of the largest personal energy footprints of any single person on Earth?
The science is only the foundation.
The hypothesis of AGW has NO Normal Science validations. If you can admit this - it moves your debate from obsession to passion IMO
 
Read today that there is growing decent against the man made global warming theory. The Wall Street Journal had an Op-Ed on that yesterday. From Bernie Goldberg’s article ~

“The Other Global Warming Story”

bernardgoldberg.com/the-other-global-warming-story/?utm_source=BernardGoldberg.com+Newsletter&utm_campaign=66f047787a-NEWSLETTER&utm_medium=email

excerpt:
How am I supposed to know if global warming is a worldwide crisis or not? I’m a journalist, not a scientist. All I know is what I read in the papers. And what I just read in the Wall Street Journal won’t make the global warming true believers too happy.
The piece I read is an op-ed signed by 17 scientists with some pretty serious credentials, and runs under the headline, “No Ned to Panic About Global Warming.” The signers include a physics professor from Princeton, a technology professor from Cambridge, and a professor of atmospheric sciences from MIT. There’s also the head of the Laboratory of Biochemical Genetics and Metabolism at Rockefeller University, a member of the National Academy of Sciences and the aerospace engineer who designed Voyager. There are more with the same kind of heady credentials. Al Gore is not among them.
The piece starts out with this: “A candidate for public office in any contemporary democracy may have to consider what, if anything, to do about ‘global warming.’ Candidates should understand that the oft-repeated claim that nearly all scientists demand that something dramatic be done to stop global warming is not true. In fact, a large and growing number of distinguished scientists and engineers do not agree that drastic actions on global warming are needed.”
But how can this be? The New York Times and other really important newspapers are always telling us that if we don’t do something about global warming yesterday, we’ll all be goners tomorrow. Hey, even Scott Pelley, now the anchor of the CBS Evening news, once did a one-sided piece about global warming for 60 Minutes, and when he was asked about the lack of balance he said he didn’t have to find a Holocaust denier just because he interviewed someone who survived the Holocaust.
Get it? Anyone who doubts the “official” version of global warming is no better than a dope who denies the Holocaust. But the Journal op-ed tells a different story.
“Although the number of publicly dissenting scientists is growing,” the op-ed reads, “many young scientists furtively say that while they also have serious doubts about the global-warming message, they are afraid to speak up for fear of not being promoted – or worse.” By worse, the authors mean you might lose your job if you say the “wrong” thing. Scientists, I guess, can be closed-minded, just like stupid people…
 
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