Raping The Catholic Church:colorado Jumps On The Bandwagon

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Nohome,

BTW, I agree with you that the Catholic Church does not own salvation(God can redeem whomever He wants to redeem); however, the Church does hold the keys to the kingdom, which were given to the Church by Jesus!
 
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TPJCatholic:
Shoshana,

Only 30% believe in the Real Presence, which means 70% do not.

Also, let us not forget that Christianity is close to dead in nearly all of Europe and is dying fast in Canada as well.
The RCC is growing exponetialy in Africa, South America and parts of Asia. There are so many Catholics in the US that many regions are building churches faster than they can be closed in others.

The Church has real problems, indifference and apathy being right on the top of the list, but there many positive signs of hope.

Nohome
 
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TPJCatholic:
Nohome,

BTW, I agree with you that the Catholic Church does not own salvation(God can redeem whomever He wants to redeem)
It pleases me that you acknowledge this. Thanks

Nohome
 
Nohome,

There is always reason for hope. However, 70-80% of American Catholics do not fully practice their faith and they reject entire chunks of truth. That is not a good sign. Churches are being built to feed people lies, or at least only parts of the full truth.

Europe is dying, so is Canada, and while Africa, etc. is growing quite rapidly, it is not always a healthy Catholic growth.

Of the 1.1 billion Catholics in the world, there is likely only a few hundred million that actually follow the faith, or at least try…that is not good.
 
Nohome,

Keep in mind that while it is true that God can redeem whomever He pleases, He has given the world the true path to salvation and that path is the Roman Catholic faith…all other paths are less safe.
 
Penny Plain:
Um…

That’s what the law says now.

If you do something bad in the scope of your employment, your employer is liable, whether it’s a school district or a private employer.
The debate is should the Catholic Church and other private organizations be treated equally with public organizations under the law.

From the Archdiocese of Denver:
In recent days, State Representatives Rosemary Marshall (D-Denver) and Gwyn Green (D-Denver), along with State Senator Joan Fitz-Gerald (D-Golden) and State Representative Alice Madden (D-Boulder), have offered various related bills to the Colorado General Assembly. Each would eliminate or modify statutes of limitation so that a childhood sexual abuse victim could wait 30 years, 40 years, or even longer before filing a suit for damages against Catholic institutions and other private entities in Colorado.

Under Colorado law, even if there were no sovereign immunity, the victim of a public school teacher’s misconduct must initiate his or her claim by filing a formal notice no later than 180 days after the incident. Moreover, the damages for such claims against government defendants are capped at $150,000.
archden.org/dcr/news.php?e=350&s=4&a=7337
 
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TPJCatholic:
Shoshana,

Only 30% believe in the Real Presence, which means 70% do not.

Also, let us not forget that Christianity is close to dead in nearly all of Europe and is dying fast in Canada as well.
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TPJ, here is a quote from Fr B. Groeschel’s book ‘In the Presence of our Lord’;
· The alarming situation described in a fairly recent New York Times/CBS News Poll, (April 1994), indicating that less than half of Catholics who attend Mass believe that the Eucharist is really the Body and Blood of Christ , should not come as a surprise to anyone. Saint Paul’s words are pertinent: ‘And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher? (Rom 10:14). Many younger Catholics, including seminarians, have never been to Benediction or any other Eucharistic devotion. P153
 
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TPJCatholic:
Shoshana,

Only 30% believe in the Real Presence, which means 70% do not.
Not trying to be argumentitive, but 30% believeing does not mean 70% do not. I would say at least half of the 70% never knew that Catholics believe in the Real Presence in the first place. It is sort of hard to reject a teaching without knowing it.

30% believe, 35% do not, 35% have no clue

Nohome
 
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bellesjoy:
Priests and or bishops guilty of horrible crimes should be tried by law, convicted if the evidence supports it and put in jail as any other law breaker. Throw away the key! That is accountability.
Fair offers of settlements made by the Church is also Catholic.

The shame comes in when innocent bishops who were not even bishops or priests when abuses occurred are painted as guilty, spit upon and insulted. The shame comes when innocent Catholics in the pews are made to pay for the crimes of men they never met, for crimes committed years ago. The shame comes when those who are dead and gone and cannot either defend themselves or cannot pay the price of their guilt by serving their sentence. The shame comes when the people of a diocese are made to serve the sentence in terms of churchs, schools and property sold to pay settlements.
This is reminicent of the days when the family of a man found guitly was punished along with him.
If your deceased grandfather were to be found guilty of abuse would you find it acceptable to have your family savings and home (in no way inherited from him) sold to pay a settlement? How about including gifts given to you by your friends? How about if your grandmother knew but didn’t step in…are you now accountable for them both? How about if you are only a grandchild through a recent adoption? How about if you weren’t even alive when all that happened? How far back should we go? One generation? Two? No limitations? Will your grandchildren also be responsible for future claims?

You may offer a fair settlement for counseling, pray for them, offer aid in anyway fesible because you see the injury and as a Catholic want to help them. But you would not ask you children or grandchildren to give up their homes or their futures. That would be irresponsible in your role as parent.

Hold those who’s behavior has been proven to be criminal accountable and quit looking for deep pockets among the innocent.
Excellent points. I think all officials who are responsible need to be accountable. But I’m afraid that these lawsuits are only hurting the parishiners.
 
How does extending the statute of limitations equate to raping the Catholic Church?
 
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Adonis33:
Excellent points. I think all officials who are responsible need to be accountable. But I’m afraid that these lawsuits are only hurting the parishiners.
The lawsuits are hurting the parishoners. It’s similar to the way shareholders are hurt by lawsuits against the corporation. That’s how the law works.
 
Nohome,

70% of of self proclaiming Catholics who took the survey did not believe that the bread and wine became Jesus’ Real Body and Blood. I simply used the term “Real Presence” to get to the point more quickly. The belief that the bread and wine are miraculously transformed into Jesus’ Real Body and Blood is one of the most critical core beliefs of the Catholic faith. A person cannot be a Catholic and not believe that the Bread and Wine are Jesus’ Real Body and Blood, because that means they have rejected the truth of Christ Himself! This all means that 70% of people surveyed are not truly Catholic and that is huge “pulling away” from the One True Faith.
 
aquarius,

It equates to an attack against the Catholic Church because the Church is being singled out for sins that people across the spectrum are guilty of and at much greater percentages in some cases and yet no-one wants to change the statutes of limitations on those cases.
 
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Aquarius:
The lawsuits are hurting the parishoners. It’s similar to the way shareholders are hurt by lawsuits against the corporation. That’s how the law works.
In no way are the parishiners anything like shareholders of a corporation. How are parishiners responsible for the actions of a priest that is alleged to commit the crime many years ago?
 
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bellesjoy:
You are asking for accountability from bishops who are dead or removed from office. Who are you talking about?? The Bishops who are cleaning up the messes…left holding the bag…are not those who caused the problelms in the first place any more than I did.
Obviously, you live under a rock:

chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0602040134feb04,1,4088222.story?page=1&coll=chi-news-hed

The US Bishops should be prosecuted just like the mafia, under the RICO statutes.

writ.news.findlaw.com/hamilton/20030619.html

Demetrios
 
Nobody is denying that priests and bishops should be prosecuted. However it is the lawsuits that only hurt parishiners that is in question - especially for crimes that happened many, many years ago.
 
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Adonis33:
I am only a little familiar with the RICO statutes - but don’t they only apply to organized crime?
I’d say the U.S. Bishops meet the definition of organized crime. They have repeatedly worked together to cover up serious crimes, and obstruct justice.

Demetrios
 
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Adonis33:
But I’m afraid that these lawsuits are only hurting the parishiners.
I don’t think anyone questions that lawsuits are hurting parishiners. What’s up for debate is where the parish outrage should be; at the victims and their lawyers or the clergy. I for one am pointing at the guys in the cassocks.

Nohome
 
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Nohome:
I don’t think anyone questions that lawsuits are hurting parishiners. What’s up for debate is where the parish outrage should be; at the victims and their lawyers or the clergy. I for one am pointing at the guys in the cassocks.

Nohome
I would agree to that - the bad guys are definately the perptrators of the crime.
 
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