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Were handouts passed around? Can you send documentation to the bishop? If you can’t document it, you are likely not to be heard.
No handouts - but I did write everything down. Here is that celtic trinity - creepy or what?:bigyikes: . Definitely pagan.Were handouts passed around? Can you send documentation to the bishop? If you can’t document it, you are likely not to be heard.
Good for you.No handouts - but I did write everything down.
I am not sure what the “crow” represents… perhaps the darkness of the devil?/No handouts - but I did write everything down. Here is that celtic trinity - creepy or what?:bigyikes: . Definitely pagan.
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I should point out that going through RCIA is a norm, not an absolute. The mere fact that you can see errors being taught indicates you have at least good knowledge of the faith, and you were a Catholic at one point. I would write the bishop and not only report the abuses, but also ask if you can be confirmed by having interviews with a preist.
Thanks Scott, but I am confirmed. Sister also asked me to become a sponsor, so when I am assigned a catechumen, I will definitely give him/her my extra copy of the CCC and point out the discrepancies. I did try to call the sister but she has not returned my calls - I wanted to speak to her before I went to the priest or bishop.
I came back to the faith because after long study and thought, I realized that the Catholic faith is the Truth and the only way to live. No wonder I got strange expressions from the sisters when I told them this. It seems that they no longer believe it.
Yes, there were others who, like me, gave our opinions in a charitable way, emphasizing that we will always think of God as the “Father.” But I don’t think anyone else realized that the celtic trinity in fact depicts pagan goddesses - I didn’t know it until I did some research on it. This particular piece of “art” was created by a Br. Andrew Martino of the Holy Dormition Friary in Pennsylvania (a Franciscan order). Are the Franciscans into goddess worship now? BTW, the sister who presented this to us has an office book shelf full of books with the title “goddess” in them. We have another session tonight, wish me luck and thanks for the good advice and support!Good for you.
I am usually not one to recommend filing grievances because it usually comes to naught. But this seems to be an extraordinary case. Were there others in your group who were offended? Perhaps you should bring this complaint to the Bishop together.
Game it out before you do it. Think: if you were the RCIA director, and someone from above asked you about your curriculum, how would you spin this to make it look acceptable? How would you make it look like the poor, ignorant, uninformed student had twisted everything you said . . . ? Cover those arguments before you jump into the cauldron.
I did a Google image search for “celtic trinity” and came up with about 199 images, only one of which is the picture somebody uploaded.The celtic trinity was presented as a representation of the Holy Trinity (celtic trinity being the maiden, mother, crone, pictured with a snake and a raven no less!)
Yes, it was hard to find the origin of this piece. But click on the picture you found in your search engine and it will take you to Br. Andy’s site, (he is the one who labeled it “celtic trinity”) where you will also find his depiction of “SophiaChrist.” (Maybe we’ll be treated to that in tonight’s session) I have no idea how big the “movement” is, but the “maiden, mother, crone” concept is classic goddess paganism, and should in no way be presented as a representation of the Holy Trinity.I did a Google image search for “celtic trinity” and came up with about 199 images, only one of which is the picture somebody uploaded.
The traditonal “celtic trinity” seems to be jewelry crafted more less like a shamrock, a three leaf clover.
That’s got to be a pretty small movement if there is only image on the whole internet of what has been shown us.
Hmmmmmm.
Ooohhhhh. It’s tonight. Can hardly wait for the post-game show! Do keep us posted.Yes, it was hard to find the origin of this piece. But click on the picture you found in your search engine and it will take you to Br. Andy’s site, (he is the one who labeled it “celtic trinity”) where you will also find his depiction of “SophiaChrist.” (Maybe we’ll be treated to that in tonight’s session) I have no idea how big the “movement” is, but the “maiden, mother, crone” concept is classic goddess paganism, and should in no way be presented as a representation of the Holy Trinity.
what’s wrong with snakes and ravens? Both are beautiful creatures. But speaking symbolically, the snake represents knowledge and wisdom and is also on the early “Don’t Tread on Me” American flags, and represents national unity (foundingfathers.info/stories/gadsden.html). The raven also represents healing and knowledge. Nothing “bad” there.a snake and a raven no less!
Many people meditate or “center” that aren’t pagans, witches, etc. So that doesn’t mean you had any kind of “Wicca” experience, or Satanic (which also has nothing to do with Wicca as they don’t believe in Satan - and Wicca and Satanism are two completely different religions)and we have “centering prayer.” It was my very first wiccan/satanic prayer experience
In regards to these things being “evil” - yes, I would say you are over-reacting.Am I over-reacting?
As I also mentioned in another post, the raven symbolizes knowledge and wisdom.I am not sure what the “crow” represents… perhaps the darkness of the devil?
Firstly, may I ask, who is “our”?The problem with a raven in that kind of Celtic mythology setting is that a raven is the symbol of Morrigan (Morrigiu) the goddess of death/battle/destruction. She’s a key player in our ‘Cuchulain’ cycle of myths.
Come on now, check my original post - I never said it was evil, I said it was pagan and inappropriate for an RCIA class.I will start off saying that it really doesn’t sound like this woman probably shouldn’t be teaching a Catholic class if she doesn’t seem to hold Catholic views. However, this does not make her (or what she’s teaching evil) - just not Catholic.
what’s wrong with snakes and ravens? Both are beautiful creatures. But speaking symbolically, the snake represents knowledge and wisdom and is also on the early “Don’t Tread on Me” American flags, and represents national unity (foundingfathers.info/stories/gadsden.html). The raven also represents healing and knowledge. Nothing “bad” there.
Many people meditate or “center” that aren’t pagans, witches, etc. So that doesn’t mean you had any kind of “Wicca” experience, or Satanic (which also has nothing to do with Wicca as they don’t believe in Satan - and Wicca and Satanism are two completely
different religions)
In regards to these things being “evil” - yes, I would say you are over-reacting.
In regards to these things being “non-Catholic” or not what you are looking for in a Catholic class - no, you’re probably not overreacting.
Oh, no, I do realize that and I do agree that it doesn’t seem appropriate for classes that are supposed to be teaching Catholic views. Just as there shouldn’t be someone teaching Protestant, Muslim, etc. views in those classes. There were just other people that mentioned things about it being evil, etc.Come on now, check my original post - I never said it was evil, I said it was pagan and inappropriate for an RCIA class.
Firstly, may I ask, who is “our”?
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In Ireland we have a very large body of pre-Christian mythology (hero’s etc. similar to the Greek myths). Most Irish children hear sanitised versions of this like you would have fairytales.
In secondary school as part of our study of Gaelic we study some of these (In our ‘native’ language which can make things quite trickly). But they have been translated into English aswell. There are three main cycles whose supposed events take place over hundreds of years. The Finian Cycle - Finn MacCool & the Fianna. The Red Branch Cycle - The most famous character of which is Cuchalain. And one that I have forgotten the name of.
They are all stories of great warriors who are favoured by the gods, particularly Morrigan who provokes battles and is seen before battles in the form of a raven as a sign the fight next day will be particularly bloody. The whole goddess thing is left out of our study texts but I read a lot & read some of the versions not used in school.