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mercygate
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This should have a thread of its own – but to be brief, this whole sub-thread needs to step back from “Hell” and deal with who God is and the nature of truth.
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BlessedBe13
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I agree. My original post was agreeing that this sister probably shouldn’t be teaching Catholic classes, and also trying to clear up some misconceptions people seem to have.
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Townsend
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I know the drive is a bit much, but I can recommend trying St. Mary, Our Lady of Ransom in Georgetown.
My in-laws live in Pawleys Island and we were visiting this past weekend. My husband and I went into Georgetown for Mass. We were just visiting, obviously it isn’t my home parish, but the Mass was orthodox, no abuses, traditional decor, etc.
Myrtle Beach to Georgetown is not next door, but maybe it would be worth the drive.
Good luck!
My in-laws live in Pawleys Island and we were visiting this past weekend. My husband and I went into Georgetown for Mass. We were just visiting, obviously it isn’t my home parish, but the Mass was orthodox, no abuses, traditional decor, etc.
Myrtle Beach to Georgetown is not next door, but maybe it would be worth the drive.
Good luck!
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NowISee
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King's X Fan:
I asked about the picture of the celtic trinity and she said she hadn’t even seen it (she couldn’t see it from where she was sitting) and that sister had not presented it in previous talks.( This is only the second year the parish has been offering RCIA.)
So, it was something new to her. I didn’t bring my printout with me - didn’t think I needed it.
Then I asked about praying in a circle in near darkness - she said they always did that in the convent.
So it ended up with her suggesting that I talk to the sister who presented (she’s the one with all the goddess books in her office.)
So anyway, last night’s session was good - the Deacon spoke about the Catholic faith, without the He/She business. But at the end, some of the women wanted to get into why can’t women be ordained …
Thank you to the person who suggested Georgetown - it’s over an hour’s drive, but may be worth it (I think I’m outnumbered in this parish).
OK, last night’s meeting: I had a chance to speak with the sister who runs the program (not the same sister who presented), but who was seated with us at the session. I asked her about the pagan elements of the session, in particular “God the Mother” and the celtic trinity. She said the “Mother” bit was only brought into it in case there were anyone who felt uncomfortable with God as a Father image. (In my experience, the people who are most concerned about gender questions are feminists. Otherwise, why bring it up?) I said that she seemed to really be pushing the feminine God bit, (she spent a lot of time on it), but she said “No, that wasn’t the intention.” I said, “So there was just a feminist agenda going on there?” And she nodded and said “yeah.” (So there was an intention there.)
I asked about the picture of the celtic trinity and she said she hadn’t even seen it (she couldn’t see it from where she was sitting) and that sister had not presented it in previous talks.( This is only the second year the parish has been offering RCIA.)
So, it was something new to her. I didn’t bring my printout with me - didn’t think I needed it.
Then I asked about praying in a circle in near darkness - she said they always did that in the convent.
So it ended up with her suggesting that I talk to the sister who presented (she’s the one with all the goddess books in her office.)
So anyway, last night’s session was good - the Deacon spoke about the Catholic faith, without the He/She business. But at the end, some of the women wanted to get into why can’t women be ordained …
Thank you to the person who suggested Georgetown - it’s over an hour’s drive, but may be worth it (I think I’m outnumbered in this parish).
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Mfaustina1
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Blessedbe13 -
I appreciate the fact that you do not believe that a “sister”/a.k.a. “nun” who does not believe in nor teaches the Catholic Faith should NOT be teaching it. That shows honesty and integrity on your part, two things that are just so seriously lacking nowadays.
However, and please forgive the “but…” part of this post, you mention that you don’t believe the Catholic Faith is right for you. You follow what you “think” to be right and believe like so many others do that this is all one should do let alone have to do. Yes?
BB13-(hope you don’t mind the abbreviation…), this is like saying that 2 plus 2 doesn’t equal 4…at least for you. Don’t you believe in an objective truth? Thanks for your time to my post.
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I appreciate the fact that you do not believe that a “sister”/a.k.a. “nun” who does not believe in nor teaches the Catholic Faith should NOT be teaching it. That shows honesty and integrity on your part, two things that are just so seriously lacking nowadays.
However, and please forgive the “but…” part of this post, you mention that you don’t believe the Catholic Faith is right for you. You follow what you “think” to be right and believe like so many others do that this is all one should do let alone have to do. Yes?
BB13-(hope you don’t mind the abbreviation…), this is like saying that 2 plus 2 doesn’t equal 4…at least for you. Don’t you believe in an objective truth? Thanks for your time to my post.
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BlessedBe13
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Thank you for your compliment
. To me it just doesn’t make sense that someone who doesn’t believe in the Catholic Faith (regardless of what they do believe) should be teaching a Catholic class - especially if what they are teaching doesn’t follow Catholic beliefs. To me that’s misleading. It’d be the same as if a Muslim were teaching the class and teaching mainly Muslim principles.
I’m sorry, maybe I’m not reading it right since I’m tired, but for some reason I can’t make sense of the question (no offense intended). I’ll think I understand it, but somewhere near the end seems to trip me up. Maybe could you reword it slightly?
For the physical world I do believe that there is an absolute truth. 2 + 2 =4, if I jump off a building I’m gonna fall, there is a desk sitting in front of me, whether I want to believe it or not, these things are proven facts. But when it comes to religion and the divine, I don’t believe there is one absolute truth. To explain, I believe that we are all worshipping the same god/goddess/deity/creator/life force/whatever and that we are all going to the same place when we die. However, except those that are already dead, no-one really knows what god and the afterlife are like. We all have ideas, and that’s what religion is based on. People’s different ideas of the divine, are the ways that help them to worship/express their faith. And I think *that *is what is important - having faith. It shouldn’t matter whether I view the divine as a god and goddess and you view it as a single, male god (in the trinity). Maybe I’m right and you’re wrong, maybe you’re right and I’m wrong, maybe we are both wrong. Granted, I can’t speak for a god or goddess, but I really don’t think that it would matter how we view them, just that we have faith in them. I hope this helps a little bit - like I said, I did get a little confused by the second paragraph.
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cestusdei
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I come in late in the game, but here goes. You are not likely to change the radical feminist nuns. They are not even Christian anymore. Find another parish and another RCIA program. If there isn’t one find a priest to give private instructions. Choose a solid orthodox guy. Maybe a retired priest. Read the Catechism yourself. Just do a few pages at at time. As a priest I apologize for the heresy that you have been exposed to. It will never happen at any parish I am pastor of.
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NowISee
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Cestusdei, I have read many of your posts and I have learned a lot from you. I will take your advice and I pray that God will bring more priests like you to our parishes. (I’m also enrolled in Catholic Distance University courses which are great for returning Catholics.)
Thank you!:tiphat:
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mercygate
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NowISee, I think you’re scaring them all to death in your parish. If you decide to leave, they will probably say, “don’t let the door hit you on your way out!” I wish you lived near me. I need a buddy here in my parish, where the Catechism is on the index of forbidden books.
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NowISee
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I certainly get that feeling Mercygate!
Tell me: HOW do you survive in a parish like that? You must have to bite your tongue a lot…
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mercygate
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I certainly get that feeling Mercygate!
Tell me: HOW do you survive in a parish like that? You must have to bite your tongue a lot…
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I make statements in public places where management overhears.
“I was reading Sacrosanctum Concilium the other day – you know, the first document published by Vatican II – and is says that pastors are to teach their congregations the Ordinary of the Mass in Latin. Wonder whatever became of that?”
“I was looking up something in the GIRM the other day and you know, there’s a whole section in there that directs when Sanctus bells are to be rung . . .”
I have no power. I know they’ll never let me get involved in anything like Catechesis or RCIA or training altar servers. But I make it a point to “share” with my Cornerstone retreat team information that shows them that management is filtering what they receive.
Nobody parish needs a troublemaker; I’m not writing to the the bishop (and management isn’t making outright outrages). But we converts have a responsibility to be “trouble” in a quiet way. At least in not keeping absolute silence when we know we are being manipulated.
Tell me: HOW do you survive in a parish like that? You must have to bite your tongue a lot…
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I make statements in public places where management overhears.
“I was reading Sacrosanctum Concilium the other day – you know, the first document published by Vatican II – and is says that pastors are to teach their congregations the Ordinary of the Mass in Latin. Wonder whatever became of that?”
“I was looking up something in the GIRM the other day and you know, there’s a whole section in there that directs when Sanctus bells are to be rung . . .”
I have no power. I know they’ll never let me get involved in anything like Catechesis or RCIA or training altar servers. But I make it a point to “share” with my Cornerstone retreat team information that shows them that management is filtering what they receive.
Nobody parish needs a troublemaker; I’m not writing to the the bishop (and management isn’t making outright outrages). But we converts have a responsibility to be “trouble” in a quiet way. At least in not keeping absolute silence when we know we are being manipulated.
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BayCityRickL
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My own protestations have inevitably become more strident and I think I have marginalized myself. I haven’t quit the Church but I have quit the parish. I simply can’t stand it any more.
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Steven_Merten
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If you were Satan and you wanted to attack Jesus, where would you hit Him?
One has to remember that the Pharisees, Saducees and High Priests in the Israelite Church were leaders in God’s authorized Church. They instigated the murder of their, and our, Saviour, who is Jesus.
Satan works in deceptive, unfair ways. One must be on guard and separate out what is from the devil and what is the will of God.
Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
One has to remember that the Pharisees, Saducees and High Priests in the Israelite Church were leaders in God’s authorized Church. They instigated the murder of their, and our, Saviour, who is Jesus.
Satan works in deceptive, unfair ways. One must be on guard and separate out what is from the devil and what is the will of God.
Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
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jmm08
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I am in RCIA this year. And I am in a good parish.
However, I plan to also listen to Fulton Sheen during the RCIA program. I think his “talks” at this web site are very much like an RCIA curriculum. And they would benefit Catholics as well as those of us seeking to become Catholic.
bishop-sheen.org/Talks.html
However, I plan to also listen to Fulton Sheen during the RCIA program. I think his “talks” at this web site are very much like an RCIA curriculum. And they would benefit Catholics as well as those of us seeking to become Catholic.
bishop-sheen.org/Talks.html
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catsrus
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I had to read all of these posts to be sure I wasn’t nuts. I posted elsewhere about my leaving my original parish for another due to the misinformation being fed to the congregation. When I was in RCIA (2 years ago), we also had the “centering” prayer with the lights out. The main Church also had only a risen Christ displayed (no crucifix). AND the Liturgical danceing. No strange Trinty representations though.
During this time of RCIA instruction, I was invited by the Sr. leading the RCIA to go to a retreat sponsed by her Order. The whole thing (3 days) centered around getting in touch with one’s own femine power and feelings. I was a total newbie at the time but left the retreat feeling VERY uncomfortable and let down… I thought it was going to be about The RCC. NOTHING about that retreat was remotely about The RCC. Also, during this time, I protested to a fellow catechumen about her position that abortion was acceptable for non Catholics. The same Sr. informed me that “not all Catholics believe that abortion is wrong”. Because I was so hungry for God, I completed the RCIA and was confirmed. Then, 2 months later, I sat through a Mass where the Deacon gave a homily questioning The Church’s position on women and homosexuality. That was it. After approaching the RCIA director about this particular homily and getting a deaf ear, I left. I have attended another parish since where I feel more comfortable because I’m not hearing nor seeing what, even in my ignorance, I knew to be incorrect.
Sorry if I rambled.
During this time of RCIA instruction, I was invited by the Sr. leading the RCIA to go to a retreat sponsed by her Order. The whole thing (3 days) centered around getting in touch with one’s own femine power and feelings. I was a total newbie at the time but left the retreat feeling VERY uncomfortable and let down… I thought it was going to be about The RCC. NOTHING about that retreat was remotely about The RCC. Also, during this time, I protested to a fellow catechumen about her position that abortion was acceptable for non Catholics. The same Sr. informed me that “not all Catholics believe that abortion is wrong”. Because I was so hungry for God, I completed the RCIA and was confirmed. Then, 2 months later, I sat through a Mass where the Deacon gave a homily questioning The Church’s position on women and homosexuality. That was it. After approaching the RCIA director about this particular homily and getting a deaf ear, I left. I have attended another parish since where I feel more comfortable because I’m not hearing nor seeing what, even in my ignorance, I knew to be incorrect.
Sorry if I rambled.
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CARose
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To CatsRUs and BayCity(whoops I forget the rest of your handle, sorry) and anyone else who is subjected to liturgical abuses and false teachings in your parish,
Please, please do not despair. Please know that the church needs each and every one of us who Love Christ and the Church he founded. He needs us in our parishes, living a life that demonstrates what love of Christ really looks like.
We need to give witness to the fact that one who is in Love with Christ can radiate peace and joy, while being faithful to all that the Church teaches, including the truths which require we differentiate between right and wrong, Grace and Sin. We are called to live lives of Holiness and this begins at home. From home, we are to extend it to our Parish family. This means praying for our priests. If we are blessed enough to have nuns (a mixed blessing I can see), we must pray for them.
It is sad to see that so many of those who have stated a commitment to Christ through the lives they live within the Church have mistaken understandings of LOVE.
Love is gentle, love is strong, love requires Truth. God is love and love has no room for hate, death or sin. Sin seperates us from Love. We turn our back on God when we refuse to accept the Truth.
The beauty of the Catholic Church is that when we are confused, when we are uncertain which way is up, we have our compass, our beacon in the darkness which will always direct us, steer us correctly towards the most important of all Goals, eternal salvation and the glorification of God, the Father. I am so glad that I had the priviledge of being born into the Catholic Faith. I turned my back on it for many years, but when I sought the truth and came back to see for myself if what I had been given as a child could withstand the scrutany of a critical adult, I was thrilled to see for myself how it all holds together so completely.
I thank God that he has provided us with the Holy Father, our Pope, so that throughout the ages we have one teacher to whom we can turn. One voice that we know will not teach error, and whom we can trust completely with matters eternal. This is an amazing gift, for which I am ever grateful.
Let us pray for all who have lost their way, who do not appreciate the fullness of the gifts that God has given us, for those who do not understand the complimentarity of the roles we are each asked to play. Let them understand that less is more when it comes to God, therefore let us not strive to be “the Greatest, the Strongest, the Smartest” if that is not a role required of us by God, to give Him glory.
CARose
Please, please do not despair. Please know that the church needs each and every one of us who Love Christ and the Church he founded. He needs us in our parishes, living a life that demonstrates what love of Christ really looks like.
We need to give witness to the fact that one who is in Love with Christ can radiate peace and joy, while being faithful to all that the Church teaches, including the truths which require we differentiate between right and wrong, Grace and Sin. We are called to live lives of Holiness and this begins at home. From home, we are to extend it to our Parish family. This means praying for our priests. If we are blessed enough to have nuns (a mixed blessing I can see), we must pray for them.
It is sad to see that so many of those who have stated a commitment to Christ through the lives they live within the Church have mistaken understandings of LOVE.
Love is gentle, love is strong, love requires Truth. God is love and love has no room for hate, death or sin. Sin seperates us from Love. We turn our back on God when we refuse to accept the Truth.
The beauty of the Catholic Church is that when we are confused, when we are uncertain which way is up, we have our compass, our beacon in the darkness which will always direct us, steer us correctly towards the most important of all Goals, eternal salvation and the glorification of God, the Father. I am so glad that I had the priviledge of being born into the Catholic Faith. I turned my back on it for many years, but when I sought the truth and came back to see for myself if what I had been given as a child could withstand the scrutany of a critical adult, I was thrilled to see for myself how it all holds together so completely.
I thank God that he has provided us with the Holy Father, our Pope, so that throughout the ages we have one teacher to whom we can turn. One voice that we know will not teach error, and whom we can trust completely with matters eternal. This is an amazing gift, for which I am ever grateful.
Let us pray for all who have lost their way, who do not appreciate the fullness of the gifts that God has given us, for those who do not understand the complimentarity of the roles we are each asked to play. Let them understand that less is more when it comes to God, therefore let us not strive to be “the Greatest, the Strongest, the Smartest” if that is not a role required of us by God, to give Him glory.
CARose
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catsrus
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Thank you CARose for your thoughtful and encouraging post. As a footnote to mine, coming into The Church through the conditions I described, and plenty others that I didn’t, my faith in The RCC has grown only stonger. I dearly love this Church and all it stands for as laid out by Christ, the Apostles, the Saints and our beloved Pope, John Paul II. I bless the day I discovered and joined these forums. I have been able to express myself on various topics and receive encourgement and education from people like you.
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CARose
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CatsRUs,
Yes, I too thank God for these forums. He is working well through the efforts of the faithful individuals who have put this together and I thank them for their willingness to do His will.
It’s fun to converse with other faithful Catholics and to speak so freely about the Truth which can only be found through the Church.
CARose
Yes, I too thank God for these forums. He is working well through the efforts of the faithful individuals who have put this together and I thank them for their willingness to do His will.
It’s fun to converse with other faithful Catholics and to speak so freely about the Truth which can only be found through the Church.
CARose
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CARose
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CatsRUs,
Yes, I too thank God for these forums. He is working well through the efforts of the faithful individuals who have put this together and I thank them for their willingness to do His will.
It’s fun to converse with other faithful Catholics and to speak so freely about the Truth which can only be found in it’s fullness through the Church.
CARose
Yes, I too thank God for these forums. He is working well through the efforts of the faithful individuals who have put this together and I thank them for their willingness to do His will.
It’s fun to converse with other faithful Catholics and to speak so freely about the Truth which can only be found in it’s fullness through the Church.
CARose
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Les_Richardson
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Quoth the raven, “Nevermore!”
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