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NowISee which parish is this? What city and state is this in?
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aimee
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South Carolina
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jennstall
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I don’t think the original poster is best served by being encouraged to participate in activities that are illegal. She cannot videotape or record the audio class without permission of the instructors. I think she should audiotape if permission is given, but otherwise should rely on her notes and her memory to advise the Bishop.
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jennstall
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NowISee said:
As for electric candles, I’m a cradle Catholic, so I might just be an old fogey on this but, I don’t like the “fake but accurate.”
Many churches that have switched to electric candles have done so because their insurance requires to them to do so. It’s the same reason many churches now have locked doors. It stinks, but it isn’t a liturgical abuse by any stretch.
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Lilyofthevalley
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Thank you Aimee!
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CARose
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OK, I’m going to step into it (flame shield going up).
BlessedBe13 - are you a practicer of the Wicca cult?
As Catholics, we believe there is only one Supreme Being, God, who created Heaven and Earth. He is immortal, eternal and omnipresent. Before creating humanity (starting with Adam, then Eve), he created the Spirits, some of whom fell.
These spirits have the power to affect certain things in our world, powers which are meant to be used to serve humanity. Because of the sin of Pride, some of these “angels” turned their back on God, preferring to liken themselves to be Gods.
I firmly believe while God, our one true God, has worked with Humanity around the world and in all cultures, these spirits have worked tirelessly to distort His truth, encouraging others to seek their own personal attachment to things of the world, creation, rather than giving Glory and Honor to God, who is all good and deserving of all our praise.
We, as members of the Catholic Church, have access to the fullness of the Truth, which has been retained in our Faith for 2 millenium, growing from the Faith of our Fathers, the Jews and the Old Testiment scripture. The Holy Spirit has resided continuously with our Holy Father the Pope, who’s infallible teachings have ensured that there is one place on Earth where the devil cannot corrupt the Truth.
The Devil and evil spirits are REAL. We begin our prayers with the sign of the cross to ensure that we are speaking to the true author of all that is good, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and no other spirit who might prefer to lead us astray.
When one participates in Pagan ritual, (and wicca is pagan, you agree on that don’t you?) you open yourself to these spirits. They promise, and in some tantilizing cases they even deliver, wonderful advances in earthly goods. But remember, you are paying with your immortal soul. Hardly a good bargain.
I would rather live in rags, under a bridge, than accept into my life a spirit who desires to steal my soul out of spite for God.
So, I don’t know, would you define that as Evil? I certainly define it as something that one should definitely not mess with. There are spirits in the world, throughout the world. There are those who work for God and they will lead you to God if you ask for the truth. God is all LOVING and will forgive anything, even those who have consciously participated in satan worship, as long as we desire to return to God, leave behind our wrongful life and do penence as prescribed by the priest in confession.
But remember what it says in scripture. Once the demons have been exorcised, they will wander the world looking for another to inhabit, and finding none, they will return to the house from which they left. On finding it swept clean, they will return with 7 more spirits and the one who cast them out will be worse than before. So, I warn you, batten down the hatches once you’ve tossed out Satan. He’ll be ticked and he’ll be determined to get you back. You’ve heard heroin is tough to kick, I wouldn’t want to be engaged in this battle. Hence, I avoid any worship that isn’t directly focused on GOD in the form of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
I Love the real thing and desire to serve him all the days of my life.
God Bless,
CARose
BlessedBe13 - are you a practicer of the Wicca cult?
As Catholics, we believe there is only one Supreme Being, God, who created Heaven and Earth. He is immortal, eternal and omnipresent. Before creating humanity (starting with Adam, then Eve), he created the Spirits, some of whom fell.
These spirits have the power to affect certain things in our world, powers which are meant to be used to serve humanity. Because of the sin of Pride, some of these “angels” turned their back on God, preferring to liken themselves to be Gods.
I firmly believe while God, our one true God, has worked with Humanity around the world and in all cultures, these spirits have worked tirelessly to distort His truth, encouraging others to seek their own personal attachment to things of the world, creation, rather than giving Glory and Honor to God, who is all good and deserving of all our praise.
We, as members of the Catholic Church, have access to the fullness of the Truth, which has been retained in our Faith for 2 millenium, growing from the Faith of our Fathers, the Jews and the Old Testiment scripture. The Holy Spirit has resided continuously with our Holy Father the Pope, who’s infallible teachings have ensured that there is one place on Earth where the devil cannot corrupt the Truth.
The Devil and evil spirits are REAL. We begin our prayers with the sign of the cross to ensure that we are speaking to the true author of all that is good, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and no other spirit who might prefer to lead us astray.
When one participates in Pagan ritual, (and wicca is pagan, you agree on that don’t you?) you open yourself to these spirits. They promise, and in some tantilizing cases they even deliver, wonderful advances in earthly goods. But remember, you are paying with your immortal soul. Hardly a good bargain.
I would rather live in rags, under a bridge, than accept into my life a spirit who desires to steal my soul out of spite for God.
So, I don’t know, would you define that as Evil? I certainly define it as something that one should definitely not mess with. There are spirits in the world, throughout the world. There are those who work for God and they will lead you to God if you ask for the truth. God is all LOVING and will forgive anything, even those who have consciously participated in satan worship, as long as we desire to return to God, leave behind our wrongful life and do penence as prescribed by the priest in confession.
But remember what it says in scripture. Once the demons have been exorcised, they will wander the world looking for another to inhabit, and finding none, they will return to the house from which they left. On finding it swept clean, they will return with 7 more spirits and the one who cast them out will be worse than before. So, I warn you, batten down the hatches once you’ve tossed out Satan. He’ll be ticked and he’ll be determined to get you back. You’ve heard heroin is tough to kick, I wouldn’t want to be engaged in this battle. Hence, I avoid any worship that isn’t directly focused on GOD in the form of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
I Love the real thing and desire to serve him all the days of my life.
God Bless,
CARose
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mrS4ntA
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ArgH! Where is the **Holy Inquisition ** when you need them??! 
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aimee
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Very Good Post!! :yup:
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BayCityRickL
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Find a different RCIA. “turn the channel”
But, thanks for the info.
But, thanks for the info.
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BayCityRickL
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Another thing, NowISee: this must be your first new thread, not your first post. The tag says it’s your ninth post. Don’t try to fool Big Karl, he has eyes everyplace.!!
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NowISee
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The tag’s wrong Big K - this is my first thread, first post. Search all the forums for my name and this is the only one you’ll see.Another thing, NowISee: this must be your first new thread, not your first post. The tag says it’s your ninth post. Don’t try to fool Big Karl, he has eyes everyplace.!!
So there
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CARose
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Thanks Aimee,
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QuicumqueVult
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Hmmm. Seems like the bishop in that diocese where the wiccan rite was conducted would feel compelled to suppress such practices in his role as chief teacher and defender of the Faith. I trust he is unaware…
Doesn’t every diocese have to approve the RCIA curricula used in its parishes? What they are doing either doesn’t have an imprimatur and nihil obstat, or there is way too much latitude in what materials are authorized. Uncanny. Referring to God as like a mother is OK, since there is feminine metaphorical language about God in the Bible. Just as long as God is invoked under His revealed name: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, like the Baptismal Formula and Creeds demand.
Come to think of it, when I was in RCIA, the deacon who led didn’t use a curriculum. He made it up. And when I was vocal about my joy at discovering – and my intent to uphold – the Magisterium, he said I should find another parish (he recommended a conservative one). That was one reason I opted not to become RC. I figured if the clergy were asking me to leave because I wanted the magisterium, I might as well stay Anglican. At least Anglicans generally emphasize beauty in the liturgy, many do chanted eucharists, bells and smells, and have decent pipe organs (an electronic organ is to pipe organs what electric candles are to beeswax) and choirs and parishioners that sang hymns with good theology and tunes. We had several Anglo-Catholic parishes that were orthodox theologically. I figured the Romans have a Magisterium but it isn’t mandatory that one follow it. Why give up beauty if truth wasn’t enforced in the alternative (I’ll admit I did not give Eastern Orthodoxy the attention it warranted).
Ironically, I think Centering prayer was popularized by a Roman Catholic: Basil Pennington. I don’t think it’s necessarily bad. But in the wrong hands it would be since it does not have content, just method. It is a method for getting to contemplation. But lectio divina is preferable as a place to start. It’s got more history and it uses the Bible as content.
I don’t see a problem with a Christus Rex (Christ the King, Resurrected Christ). I prefer a Crucifix. We have a huge Crucifix hanging over the altar in my parish; I point to it frequently in my homilies as proof that suffering is normal and inescapable for Christians. I also like saying mass with a crucifix above me. It highlights the fact that the mass is the making present of Christ’s one sacrifice at Calvary.
Folks, I think Anglicans and Romans are getting closer day by day, at least in the good old U.S. of A! Sorry for the schmaltzy rhyme.
What we need is a Holy Spirit revival, whatever that might look like. The zeitgeist has too much power here. Imagine – real revival in the sacramental churches!
Collegially,
Doesn’t every diocese have to approve the RCIA curricula used in its parishes? What they are doing either doesn’t have an imprimatur and nihil obstat, or there is way too much latitude in what materials are authorized. Uncanny. Referring to God as like a mother is OK, since there is feminine metaphorical language about God in the Bible. Just as long as God is invoked under His revealed name: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, like the Baptismal Formula and Creeds demand.
Come to think of it, when I was in RCIA, the deacon who led didn’t use a curriculum. He made it up. And when I was vocal about my joy at discovering – and my intent to uphold – the Magisterium, he said I should find another parish (he recommended a conservative one). That was one reason I opted not to become RC. I figured if the clergy were asking me to leave because I wanted the magisterium, I might as well stay Anglican. At least Anglicans generally emphasize beauty in the liturgy, many do chanted eucharists, bells and smells, and have decent pipe organs (an electronic organ is to pipe organs what electric candles are to beeswax) and choirs and parishioners that sang hymns with good theology and tunes. We had several Anglo-Catholic parishes that were orthodox theologically. I figured the Romans have a Magisterium but it isn’t mandatory that one follow it. Why give up beauty if truth wasn’t enforced in the alternative (I’ll admit I did not give Eastern Orthodoxy the attention it warranted).
Ironically, I think Centering prayer was popularized by a Roman Catholic: Basil Pennington. I don’t think it’s necessarily bad. But in the wrong hands it would be since it does not have content, just method. It is a method for getting to contemplation. But lectio divina is preferable as a place to start. It’s got more history and it uses the Bible as content.
I don’t see a problem with a Christus Rex (Christ the King, Resurrected Christ). I prefer a Crucifix. We have a huge Crucifix hanging over the altar in my parish; I point to it frequently in my homilies as proof that suffering is normal and inescapable for Christians. I also like saying mass with a crucifix above me. It highlights the fact that the mass is the making present of Christ’s one sacrifice at Calvary.
Folks, I think Anglicans and Romans are getting closer day by day, at least in the good old U.S. of A! Sorry for the schmaltzy rhyme.
What we need is a Holy Spirit revival, whatever that might look like. The zeitgeist has too much power here. Imagine – real revival in the sacramental churches!
Collegially,
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NowISee
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Thank you for your post. I guess my expectations were too high - Like you, I came back to the Church with such joy, only to be confronted with the attitude “get over it, things have changed.” The standards and consistency don’t exist anymore.
I put all my trust in God, these things happen to teach me what He wants me to learn. And I’ll never “get over it.”
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mercygate
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And THAT is why God has guided you back into the Church. He has placed you where you need to be, to show you what you need to see. Marcus Grodi of EWTN’s “The Journey Home” says that God is sending all the converts and reverts into the Church to save it from itself!I put all my trust in God, these things happen to teach me what He wants me to learn. And I’ll never “get over it.”
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NowISee
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Thanks, I think you hit the nail on the head.
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King_s_X_Fan
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So how did last night’s meeting go?
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BlessedBe13
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A sheild of flame? Oh no! Sounds evil and scary!
A practicer? What’s that? Perhaps you mean a practitioner? And I am studying Wicca, but I’m not part of any cult. Wicca is a religion.
The only spirits I believe in are those of dead people. Or, at least, I do not believe in any spirits that exist only to be evil and spread bad throughout the world.
I’m assuming you are talking about Catholic truth. I don’t believe that there is “one truth” when it comes to religion. While I believe that the pope probably is a good man, that’s all he is - a man. He is not infallible, no man is. Also, why do you refer to the Pope in the same way I see Catholics refering to God - as your “Holy Father”. Surely you don’t believe the Pope is a god.
That is your belief not mine. I know several other people (Catholics and other Christians included) that don’t believe in the Devil either.
Yes, I do agree on that
I’m not opening myself to any spirits. I am opening myself to the God and Goddess I believe in, which, in my opinion, is the same as the God you worship, I just view deity in another way. Either way, I’m not being promised or tantalized with anything, especially earthly goods. I’m simply following my religion, just as you are. I believe that the soul is a constant from when you are born until you die, and that it can’t be traded, or lost, etc. And my soul is in good hands, thank you.
I’m afraid your soul can’t be stolen.
I suppose if it was possible to steal a soul that would be evil, but it’s not possible and I’m not worshipping any soul-sucking spirit either.
I am being led to the truth. But I don’t need any spirits to lead me there, my prayers are working just fine.
I believe that the God and Goddess are all loving, but if the way you view God is also all-loving, why send people to hell? I’m not sure who the satan worship is directed at (or should i just let any satan worshippers I come upon that god will “forgive” them) as I neither worship nor believe in satan. I do not feel I’m leading a wrongful life, granted I’m not perfect, but I’m not doing anything that would keep me away from God/ess. If I confess my sins, it should not need to be to another human being (unless I have wronged someone and am seeking forgiveness). I do not need a priest to come in contact, be forgiven by, etc. deity.
If I didn’t think that you were serious, this would be completely laughable. But don’t worry, there are no evil beings in my house, I don’t need an exorcism, I do keep a clean house, and the only reason I’d need to lock up (or "batten down the hatches) is to keep people from breaking in.
That’s perfectly fine if you choose to worship god in that way. I choose to worship the divine in the form of a god and goddess.
What a coincidence! Me too!
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NowISee
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God doesn’t send people to hell, people make the choice to go there. It’s called free will.
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I have a feeling that very few people would choose to go to a place of eternal torture/damnation/etc. I know I certainly would not, but yet I have been told that’s where I’m going since I don’t follow Catholicism or another Christian religion. Besides, God supposedly created hell. Why create it unless you intend for people to go there. And if God is all-loving, why send the ones he “loves” to this place.
Then again, I don’t believe in hell, so I don’t believe I am going there either.
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