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litllulu
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Yes agreed. I am sure there is a lot of gossip about her too. To me that is worse than killing someone, they have to live with people thinking bad things about them.
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agapewolf
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There isn’t “forgiveness” shown when she is kept as a hired minister. That is far from it.
Forgiveness is shown when she is not in the position , is still welcomed in the parish,
Forgiveness is shown when she is not in the position , is still welcomed in the parish,
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litllulu
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You who advocate giving her the boot for being “knocked up” have yet to answer my question. Why was Jesus seen with Mary Magdalene? and why was he freinds with her? Should he have waited this designated amount of time you speak of so that people weren’t scandalized?? He didn’t care what others thought of her, he knew she repentent. She was a prostitute and because of Jesus kindness she was able to change her life. She is great saint.
Jesus was great at causing “Scandal”
I am sure there were many who would not follow Jesus because of his association with her too.
Scandal means that you cause others to sin, it does not mean that others might think badly of you.
Jesus was great at causing “Scandal”
I am sure there were many who would not follow Jesus because of his association with her too.
Scandal means that you cause others to sin, it does not mean that others might think badly of you.
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agapewolf
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Because He was Jesus. He knows her heart.
The Church is the guardian of the sacraments…and has to watch out for scandal. People see the Church giving approval to her actions if keeping her hired on…if it was Jesus we would know He’s not approving her actions.
THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED PREVIOUSLY!
The Church is the guardian of the sacraments…and has to watch out for scandal. People see the Church giving approval to her actions if keeping her hired on…if it was Jesus we would know He’s not approving her actions.
THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED PREVIOUSLY!
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litllulu
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So the church should not allow any pregnant unwed mothers into the Church at all. If I get mad because I see pregnant woman with no ring on her finger going up for communion the sin is on her? No, the sin is my own.
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litllulu
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Exactly, we don’t know what is on someone’s heart, so how can we presume we do?
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maria29
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What if the child was going to be given up for adoption? Would this change at all how you feel?Just curious
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agapewolf
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NO NO NO…we have stated this a million times before…
again, PLEASE read the past posts.
We are not showing forgiveness by keeping her hired on.
We show forgiveness by always being a welcoming community.
She is not currently qualified to be in a ministerial role, showing the disregard for the position, the teens, the church, and the families.
this has NOTHING to do with her being in the body of Christ
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Rebecca_New
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In some parishes the youth director is a paid position. The person in that position is supposed to be an example of living a life as a Catholic in good standing with the Church.
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litllulu
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I just feel that people don’t understand the meaning of scandal. Scandal means that you cause others to sin in some way. People say it to mean that if others think you might be sinning when you aren’t then you have caused scandal.
I completely respect others view, but referring to her as the “knocked up” girl, and then saying “oh she has a blessed beautiful baby inside” is very contradictory.
Saying someone is “knocked up and only qualification is that she has not had an abortion” hardly seems anything remotely related to charitable. That is the problem I have. Do you think Jesus called MM “that dog gone ho” no, she was a child of God in spite of her sins.
It is hard to believe that those who use dirogatory words towards this woman, her child, or boyfriend have their hearts in the right place.
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Spirithound
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That’s also interesting, because I just searched for the stat, and all I came up with was a survey in which 75% of priests ID’ed themselves as heterosexual, 15% homosexual, and 5% bisexual. This survey was admitted unscientific by the publishing newpaper, because only 25% of the surveys mailed out were returned.
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litllulu
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Its in the sex abuse article.
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litllulu
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Why didn’t you quote me when I said my uncle witnessed the debauchery going on?
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agapewolf
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You don’t think that the amounts of gossip that will result from keeping her on would be sinful? That people seeing her keeping hired on would look at that is approval from the church of her actions…then go and do it themselves (as I’ve stated before).
Scandal reaches far beyong your definition. The amount of problems caused by her staying on is scandal.
Our church is already in such a delicate situation, anything further trully is damaging
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agapewolf
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and being homosexual is not a sin. (although possibly an impediment to the priesthood, but thats another discussion.
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litllulu
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i have thought about this for a long time. It is her problem if someone gossips about her. For some reason I can’t believe Jesus saying “You gossiped, but it was her fault for making it so darn tempting”
Lets say that a person goes to a Catholic Church for the first time, he really thinks that most priests are pedophiles, he goes sees a young boy go into a confessional, and then he sees the priest go in the confessional. The person assumes the boy is being molested in there,or that the priest is interested sexually some way. Has that priest caused scandal? No, you have to have the intention of doing something for it to be a sin right? Isn’t that a criteria for mortal sin, Full consent?
She may have consented to sex without ever thinking that someone would find out! So the baby is scandal! Thats what I hear coming out!
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agapewolf
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I was merely rubutting your definition of scandal, and by the definition you gave…scandal leads others to sin…then I’m saying it does…in 2 ways.
But also, it goes beyond that as well.
So now you’re saying thats not what scandal is.
But also, it goes beyond that as well.
So now you’re saying thats not what scandal is.
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litllulu
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I am saying according to your definition, being pregant is the scandal, because that is the only reason people know! So if people gossip about her pregnancy than the pregancy is wrong right?
So if she had sex and used ABC than she would have no scandal because the others wouldn’t gossip about it right?
And I don’t think that would be the cause of their gossip. I think a better example would be a stripper giving lap dances, she knows she is doing it for the sole purpose of making them sin.
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agapewolf
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This is not talking about the amount of sin she has by scandal. I’m not saying the scandal would be HER FAULT>
I’m talking about the scandal of the church in general.
It seems you are not even trying to understand anyone’s real concepts here.
I’m talking about the scandal of the church in general.
It seems you are not even trying to understand anyone’s real concepts here.
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agapewolf
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Litllulu,
It appears that most people have quit joining in this conversation becuase it has become fruitless. You are grasping at straws for examples… and misusing others examples.
It’s not about winning an argument here.
Everything you are bringing up has been talked about in the past posts. Go read them.
This is taking too much energy from me to keep repeating myself from earlier.
It appears that most people have quit joining in this conversation becuase it has become fruitless. You are grasping at straws for examples… and misusing others examples.
It’s not about winning an argument here.
Everything you are bringing up has been talked about in the past posts. Go read them.
This is taking too much energy from me to keep repeating myself from earlier.
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