real presence

[m_dinwiddie]

Spokenword you said that Jesus knew the Jewish law.This is true. He knew that when He told His disciples to Eat His Flesh and Drink His Blood, they would be offended. They were Jewish, they were Kosher people with strict dietary laws. They never ate anything they considered to be unclean. Jesus even asked them if they were offended. When they walked away Jesus didn’t say “Come Back I Was Speaking Symbolically”. They walked away because they knew that Jesus was speaking literally. Jesus had been with these people 3 years, teaching them and loving them, but He let them go. This spoke volumes to me as I was on my journey to the Catholic Church. I converted from Protestantism this past Easter. Spokenword don’t be afraid of where the truth leads you. I know that it was the Holy Spirit that lead me to the Catholic Church.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

m dinwiddie:

Spokenword you said that Jesus knew the Jewish law.This is true. He knew that when He told His disciples to Eat His Flesh and Drink His Blood, they would be offended. They were Jewish, they were Kosher people with strict dietary laws. They never ate anything they considered to be unclean. Jesus even asked them if they were offended. When they walked away Jesus didn’t say “Come Back I Was Speaking Symbolically”. They walked away because they knew that Jesus was speaking literally. Jesus had been with these people 3 years, teaching them and loving them, but He let them go. This spoke volumes to me as I was on my journey to the Catholic Church. I converted from Protestantism this past Easter. Spokenword don’t be afraid of where the truth leads you. I know that it was the Holy Spirit that lead me to the Catholic Church.

Hi m dinwiddie, And this is why I believe Jesus was talking about a supernatural flesh and blood and not a natural one for it would go against the law in the natural. God Bless

 

[alyssa]

sry delete double post

 

[alyssa]

hi

And this is why I believe Jesus was talking about a supernatural flesh and blood and not a natural one for it would go against the law in the natural. God Bless

Since it would go against the old law if he had ment to really eat his flesh/drink his blood, then when so many of his follower left over this, why did he NOT say “Come back I only ment metaphorically/spiritually-not physically!”
Why does he simply let them depart?

 

[SPOKENWORD]

alyssa:

hi
Since it would go against the old law if he had ment to really eat his flesh/drink his blood, then when so many of his follower left over this, why did he NOT say “Come back I only ment metaphorically/spiritually-not physically!”
Why does he simply let them depart?

He lets them depart because they could not understand these things of the spirit at this time. They were looking in the natural. God Bless

 

[m_dinwiddie]

Spokenword, does the Virgin Birth, Resurrection and the Trinity go against the natural law?

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

SPOKENWORD:

He lets them depart because they could not understand these things of the spirit at this time. They were looking in the natural. God Bless

Hello,Spoken,get ready for confession God can never decieve nor can he be decieved,if he let them go without saying I didn’t mean it that way He would haved decieved them.God Bless

 

[cyprian]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi Jimo. I once believed as you did because that is what I was taught. This was a battle for me .It was what kept me in the Rcc.I could not leave because I believed as you did.I began to spend much time in reading the bible and God began to speak to my heart on this issue. I spent time before the Blessed Sacrament and through much prayer God spoke to my heart. He said to Me why are you searching for where I am not? Dont you know that I am living inside of you. Dont you know I am available to all christians who ask for Me to come in. I left that day with tears in my eyes but I left with a spirit of Gods peace.I know deep in my heart that His supernatural body lives in me because I know who I am in Christ and I know now who I was.I respect what you believe and I also believe Christ also lives in you. Christ come to us in many ways not just the Eucharist. God Bless

Come home brother,we miss you,there is a brick missing in the foundation.Jesus would never tell you to leave His Church. Whatever happened in your personal life…nothing can’t be overcome.
I’m praying for you.

Peace and Love

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Lisa4Catholics:

Hello,Spoken,get ready for confession God can never decieve nor can he be decieved,if he let them go without saying I didn’t mean it that way He would haved decieved them.God Bless

Hi Lisa ,It was not a matter of deception,it was a matter of understanding. God Bless.

 

[MarkAnthonyCozy]

As my Baptist friend always tells me, “Nothing can be confirmed without two or more witnesses!”

Jesus refers to his body as food twelve times in John 6 alone,(“my body, my flesh, I am…,” That’s twelve witnesses. He refers to his blood as drink four times. That’s four witnesses. "So Jesus said to them, "Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."John 6:53 NRSV

Keep in mind, Jesus fed 5,000 people then walked on water in this one chapter before going to his discourse on what truly gives us life.

Many disciples complained because of what Jesus said, they were clearly offended, he completes his discourse by fortelling his ascension to heaven, the uselessness of “the” flesh(no longer talking about himself), and the coming of the Holy Spirit.

They saw these OTHER things and believed. "Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe.” John 20:29 NRSV

It takes faith to believe.

I once did not believe in the “real presence” even though I was raised Catholic. I once believed that John 6:63 negated the literal interpretation of Jesus’ Bread of Life discourse, my private interpretation. I was preparing to leave the Roman Catholic Church to join a Baptist Congregation. Then late one night I was reading the Gospel of John, chapter six, thinking that I already knew what this meant. There was a slight tap on my shoulder and I sensed a finger pointing to verse 63 and I realized that the Holy Spirit gives life, “my” flesh is useless.

That was two years ago. My life went into a tailspin. Although I thought that many of the teachings of the Church were absurd there was no doubt in my mind and heart that the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ was fully present in the Eucharist.

Most Catholics don’t fully understand the ramifications of taking Christ’s physical body into our own. As the royal priesthood we partake of the Lamb. As Psalm 16:5 states “The LORD is my chosen portion and my cup; you hold my lot.”

We can be literally raptured every time we partake. It is an ecstasy that my human body can barely contain. I sometimes find myself asking Jesus to ease up because of the Sacrament’s intensity. I pray that others come to know Jesus as I now do.

I am now fully reconciled to the Church. Praise be to God!

 

[Mickey]

MarkAnthonyCozy:

As my Baptist friend always tells me, “Nothing can be confirmed without two or more witnesses!”

Jesus refers to his body as food twelve times in John 6 alone,(“my body, my flesh, I am…,” That’s twelve witnesses. He refers to his blood as drink four times. That’s four witnesses. "So Jesus said to them, "Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."John 6:53 NRSV

Keep in mind, Jesus fed 5,000 people then walked on water in this one chapter before going to his discourse on what truly gives us life.

Many disciples complained because of what Jesus said, they were clearly offended, he completes his discourse by fortelling his ascension to heaven, the uselessness of “the” flesh(no longer talking about himself), and the coming of the Holy Spirit.

They saw these OTHER things and believed. "Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe.” John 20:29 NRSV

It takes faith to believe.

I once did not believe in the “real presence” even though I was raised Catholic. I once believed that John 6:63 negated the literal interpretation of Jesus’ Bread of Life discourse, my private interpretation. I was preparing to leave the Roman Catholic Church to join a Baptist Congregation. Then late one night I was reading the Gospel of John, chapter six, thinking that I already knew what this meant. There was a slight tap on my shoulder and I sensed a finger pointing to verse 63 and I realized that the Holy Spirit gives life, “my” flesh is useless.

That was two years ago. My life went into a tailspin. Although I thought that many of the teachings of the Church were absurd there was no doubt in my mind and heart that the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ was fully present in the Eucharist.

Most Catholics don’t fully understand the ramifications of taking Christ’s physical body into our own. As the royal priesthood we partake of the Lamb. As Psalm 16:5 states “The LORD is my chosen portion and my cup; you hold my lot.”

We can be literally raptured every time we partake. It is an ecstasy that my human body can barely contain. I sometimes find myself asking Jesus to ease up because of the Sacrament’s intensity. I pray that others come to know Jesus as I now do.

I am now fully reconciled to the Church. Praise be to God!

Right on MarkAnthonyCozy! God Bless you.

 

[Mickey]

SPOKENWORD:

He lets them depart because they could not understand these things of the spirit at this time. They were looking in the natural. God Bless

Nice try SPOKENWORD, but Jesus always corrects misunderstandings. Can I ask you what you don’t understand about the words: for my flesh is food INDEED–my blood is drink INDEED?

definition of the word INDEED— 1. without a doubt: certainly
2. in reality: in fact

btw–careful using the confusion icon so much. We all know who the author of confusion is!

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Mickey:

Nice try SPOKENWORD, but Jesus always corrects misunderstandings. Can I ask you what you don’t understand about the words: for my flesh is food INDEED–my blood is drink INDEED?

definition of the word INDEED— 1. without a doubt: certainly
2. in reality: in fact

btw–careful using the confusion icon so much. We all know who the author of confusion is!

Hi Mickey.In John 6.vs63 we see that Jesus tells us that it is the spirit that gives life,the flesh is useless. Then Jesus tells us the words He just spoke are spirit and life.Notice it was his disciples that left and not the apostles because it was revealed to them by the spirit of God for they could see in the spiritual realm.God Bless

 

[Mickey]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi Mickey.In John 6.vs63 we see that Jesus tells us that it is the spirit that gives life,the flesh is useless. Then Jesus tells us the words He just spoke are spirit and life.Notice it was his disciples that left and not the apostles because it was revealed to them by the spirit of God for they could see in the spiritual realm.God Bless

Spokenword. This a classic protestant argument. Did you read MarkAnthonyCozy’s post # 70. Read it very carefully. Would Jesus say his body is food indeed and His blood is drink indeed and then say that His flesh is useless? No, No, No. He’s saying that OUR flesh is useless; our sinful nature. You have just tried to justify your understanding of this passage by using revisionist theology. Can you see the errors that result from private interpretation? In the early church, John 6. vs63 was never understood as you interpret it. I can see that no one on this forum is going to change your mind on this issue–but then again we aren’t here to change minds. We are hear to hopefully plant fertile seeds and let God do the rest!

 

[MarkAnthonyCozy]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi Mickey.In John 6.vs63 we see that Jesus tells us that it is the spirit that gives life,the flesh is useless. Then Jesus tells us the words He just spoke are spirit and life.Notice it was his disciples that left and not the apostles because it was revealed to them by the spirit of God for they could see in the spiritual realm.God Bless

One must have the revelation before one can understand. Simply believe the words of Jesus without understanding.

"Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him, “Come eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled. Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.” Prov 9:4-6 KJV

Eleven of Jesus disciples were just as astonished as the others who left and the one who betrayed him. The difference was their faith in Jesus. As long as Jesus remained with them in the flesh this was all meaningless. “What if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?” “It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, they are life.” KJV

As Jesus clearly states his flesh is food, his blood is drink, his words are spirit, and his words are life.

It would not be until the Holy Spirit came upon them to show how Jesus’ words were true, “spirit and life.”

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Mickey:

Spokenword. This a classic protestant argument. Did you read MarkAnthonyCozy’s post # 70. Read it very carefully. Would Jesus say his body is food indeed and His blood is drink indeed and then say that His flesh is useless? No, No, No. He’s saying that OUR flesh is useless; our sinful nature. You have just tried to justify your understanding of this passage by using revisionist theology. Can you see the errors that result from private interpretation? In the early church, John 6. vs63 was never understood as you interpret it. I can see that no one on this forum is going to change your mind on this issue–but then again we aren’t here to change minds. We are hear to hopefully plant fertile seeds and let God do the rest!

Hi Mickey,Yes I can see there is a problem with understanding.The question is who is really hearing from the Holy Spirit? God Bless

 

[Mickey]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi Mickey,Yes I can see there is a problem with understanding.The question is who is really hearing from the Holy Spirit? God Bless

Who Indeed, SPOKENWORD! Watch that confusion icon!

 

[frank212]

WHat do evangelicals mean , by saing if catholics do the eucharist every sunday , than what we are doing is resacraficing him and his work oon the cross was not finished , what besides john 6 and the early fathers can I use as an argument to back up our claim , and what do they mean by resacrifice

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Mickey:

Who Indeed, SPOKENWORD! Watch that confusion icon!

Hi Mickey,Lets see how we make out here on understanding.In verse 62,Jesus says What if you see the son of man ascend to where he was before? I believe Jesus is talking about himself.Correct?63.The spirit gives life. Whose spirit gives Life?.Of course Jesus,He says I am the way,the truth and the LIFE.63.the flesh counts for nothing.Why? Because flesh will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.[1 corinth 15 vs 50] 63 The words I have spoken to you are SPIRIT and LIFE. Jesus is the Word.His SPIRIT now lives in us and it brings us LIFE. God Bless

 

[Mickey]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi Mickey,Lets see how we make out here on understanding.In verse 62,Jesus says What if you see the son of man ascend to where he was before? I believe Jesus is talking about himself.Correct?63.The spirit gives life. Whose spirit gives Life?.Of course Jesus,He says I am the way,the truth and the LIFE.63.the flesh counts for nothing.Why? Because flesh will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.[1 corinth 15 vs 50] 63 The words I have spoken to you are SPIRIT and LIFE. Jesus is the Word.His SPIRIT now lives in us and it brings us LIFE. God Bless

Good try SPOKENWORD. Our flesh counts for nothing. His flesh is food indeed and His blood is drink indeed. That is what is referred to when Jesus says, the words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. You will continue to understand things with a baptist revisionist theology and I will continue to understand things with a 2000 year old sacramental Catholic theology. Once again, please read MarkAnthony’s post #75! Good luck brother, and God Bless you.