Rebuttals for same sex marriage PLEASE!

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There are lots of religious reasons so I don’t think I need to repeat them here.
As for secular reasons, I find all those arguments regarding family, procreation etc not very convincing.
The strongest argument i find is that civil union achieves the same thing as gay marriage, and hence there is no need to change legal definiton of marriage. I have yet to see a good counter-argument against this.
 
The strongest argument i find is that civil union achieves the same thing as gay marriage, and hence there is no need to change legal definiton of marriage. I have yet to see a good counter-argument against this.
I think that is the weakest argument I have ever read. If it achieves the same thing, then why not just call it marriage?
I find all those arguments regarding family, procreation etc not very convincing.
I find them the most convincing. Anyone with the ability to reason knows the men and women are designed for one another with our reproductive system, they can deny reality all they want, it’s not equal and never will be.

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Another thing that most people miss is that in the psychological fields of Borderline Personality Disorder, Psychologists have (even in recent years) focused some on lesbians since these problems have been especially made pronounced in their communities… The latter accounts for the greater reports of domestic violence in their communities.

Of course, there are exceptions, I have a friend who was the child of a lesbian couple (however they divorced randomly but it seems one of the might have been Bisexual because she mentions now having a father).


"I can only speak for lesbians and not gay men - but it is my observation that the lesbian community has certain social dynamics that can nurture and reinforce BPD in ways that the straight community doesn’t, and it’s not really very acceptable for lesbians to critique their own community or call out bad behavior… which is a problem I’ve seen in other small subcultures as well. "
https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=184561.0

Of course, in the latter link, they try to explain the effect with different causes, but the problem still exists. But all the same it is difficult to p(name removed by moderator)oint causes and effects in psychology because of bias primarily. But it seems a natural lesbian is really rarer than rare. I’ve known females that have always been shifting their sexual orientation, and it was most likely because they had a very traumatic childhood. They confided to me one day that they had been sexually and physically abused as a child. She also was sent to the hospital after cutting herself too much one day. Her parents seemed rather neglectful, leaving her alone all day at the house with nothing to do. During this period she was not in school and did not have a job, nor could she drive which led to idleness and the advancement of her depression.

Another seems to have been mentally and emotionally abused as well as physically neglected and in a constant state of depression. Not because they were ‘butch’( they were somewhat charismatic to a certain audience) but because she went to the wrong school when they were young and everyone hated her just because. Then she lost her friends in some middle school drama after transferring (and I had something similar happen to me in middle school) and then they ended up finding refuge in Tumblr. (whose influence I blame for a lot of things) Meanwhile they lost a trusted adult to drug abuse and slowly began doing poorly in school because of depression.

I think that the professional in the first link is more on point than anything. It’s not exactly ‘homophobia’ that makes someone borderline.

I do also think pornography or overly sexualized imagery also contributes to some becoming SSA because I’ve seen it happen which can also lead down some very unhealthy roads for people.
 
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"When I speak of the “gay lifestyle”, I am not referring to flamboyance. I was referring to things like sexual promiscuity, and drug and alcohol abuse, behaviors that are seen by the general public as being within the control of rational people.

Many straight people are disturbed by these behaviors in the gay community, just as they are when they see them in the straight community. However, statistically, these behaviors are more prevalent in the gay community than in the straight community and have become part of what they see as “the gay lifestyle”.

I believe this is most likely caused by people with personality disorders who are identifying themselves as LGBT, but who may not actually be so. I believe many of them are just suffering from BPD and/or NPD. If correct diagnoses could be made and better treatment options were available, I believe many of these people would no longer identify themselves as LGBT and many of the problems with sexually transmitted diseases, violence in relationships, and drug and alcohol abuse could be lessened or eliminated."
https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=184561.0

I agree with this assessment. I think in large part, people who are naturally SSA are a very tiny minority that is significantly small. And I do think I know why this naturally happens (generational spirits might be one cause since there is no ‘gay gene’), but there are many out there in the Church who work with these people and help them live a chaste and holy life.

A few more books for reference:



 
Two become one. Male and female. That is the primordial definition of marriage. Why? So children grow in a maternal environment that is a microcosm of all humanity. So they can be familiar with all humanity from the outset of life. Two males nor two females can provide this. Same-sex marriage robs children of this experience.
 
They are an imitation since they claim the bond and that their end is equal dignity in their participation.
 
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SSM Defines marriage in terms of love as a quantitative value. Love is meant to cement all friends. Oneness defines marriage. Impossible for same sex friends.
 
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Foreign_Grid,

As a man with SSA, I agree with a number of the things you said, and disagree with several other things. The thing I most disagree with is this claim:
…there are many out there in the Church who work with these people and help them live a chaste and holy life.
In fact there are very few people who work with people with SSA, and essentially no one in the Church who works with young people with SSA. We desperately need straight men and women to step up and take leadership roles in this area. The current leaders of SSA-supporting ministries are often people who experience SSA themselves, which not only undermines Church unity, but also undermines any healing that might be available for the psychological aspects of SSA that you described.

People need to get over their homophobia and step up!
 
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Wow, that’s strange. I have rread about three cases in which a married homosexually.cojple sexually abused their adopted child(ren). And I read about them not even looking for them.
 
Q. Who owns your body?
A. God owns it. He made it. God gave you your life and your body.

Also, Jesus, the God-Man, purchased and redeemed it with the price of His Own Blood.

You didn’t make your body. You didn’t purchase your body. You don’t own your body.

God owns your body. Therefore, it is God’s prerogative to regulate how the body ought and ought not to be used for sex and other purposes.

If you try to assert ownership rights over your body, you are a usurper and taking control of something that isn’t yours to take. You are a steward of your body and a caretaker but not an owner.
v.15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take Christ’s members and make them the members of a prostitute? Of course not! 16 Or do you not know that anyone who joins himself to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For “the two,” it says, “will become one flesh.” 17 But whoever is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. 18 Avoid immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the immoral person sins against his own body. 19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the holy Spirit within you, which you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you have been purchased at a price. Therefore glorify God in your body. - 1 Corinthians 6:15–20
 
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Risks not much greater?

Consider the fact that aids is exactly that: illness acquired by conduct.

It is the same with the various cancers–once contraception went wordwide females began to suffer from all sorts of cancers defined by their practice.

We even have run-ons into the water basin where fish and other water-life has been affected by these chemicals that bleed into the water source.

There’s a new creature created by the homosexual experience… one that deforms the natural composition of the human body.

“Heterosexuals” who practice sodomy have ventured into an act which is practiced in homosexuality (male to male) and thus are engaging in the same health-risk taking as homosexuals… just as a female cannot be “just a little bit pregnant” a heterosexual couple ceases observing its natural course (intercourse) they practice sodomy–in the log-run the same decease that affects the homosexual community will affect them–granted to a lesser or greater degree according to the frequency of the activity.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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I don’t think that Catholics care if you or anyone else “chooses” a homosexual lifestyle, at least not me. I think that the problem we have is that that lifestyle is being forced down our throats.

Granted the homosexual community was being abused through the practice of the insurance and other agencies that refused to accept their coupling as civil unity/marriage–yet, this was done purely out of greed (as the tobacco and guns industries continue to wreck havoc on society, yet continue to mass produce their killing agents).

If the homosexual community would resolve to go their way without infringing upon the Church and those who do not approve of their activities (other than the loons that claim purity of race, etc.) I do not see any reason why threads such as this one would exist.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Bottom line, there is always “Civil unions/marriages”, which they can have access to.

Without any concerns from the Church.
Yet, that’s not what they want!

They want legitimacy!

They want the Catholic Church to not only accept that they have the “right” to a homosexual lifestyle, but they want the Church to say ‘God loves you as you choose to be, don’t change sin happy.’

Consider the issue of the Catholic agencies to place orphaned children in loving homes… in a blind rage they fought the Catholic Church mandating that homosexuals be granted the “right” to adopt children from Catholic agencies… they did not care about the orphaned children or they would have emptied out all other sources (There are 123,000 orphans in America as of 2008. This is based on the number of children awaiting adoption reported by the Children’â„¢s Bureau of the Administration for Children and Families of the United States Department of Health and Human Services. [http://infomory.com/numbers/orphans-in-america/]). Since the homosexual community was so active in getting children from Catholic sources, to the point of having the US government force the Catholic Church to close her agencies, why are these children still waiting for adoption?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
No. They do not see that point.

God Calls it Abomination they say 'remove that from Scriptures ‘cause God is about “love” not about religious conformity–that’s the Church forcing rules upon us.’

So you have the disgruntled following right behind… ‘justice,’ they shout, and ‘mercy.’

But they are not concerned with God’s Justice or Wrath or Called to Holiness.

Hence all of their arguments and understanding is done through that ‘right’ and ‘liberty’ spectrum.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
I think that you should focus your efforts on other things. Same-sex marriage is here to stay.
 
I believe in large part, it is because we threw God out. Without God, we can’t answer the question “is that all there is?”
This is exactly the source of all of man’s affliction.

It defies reason and commonsense.

The Church Teaches chastity and fidelity–the one true cure to the aids and other stds but the UN and the US reject that and the Church was removed from any program dealing with the treatment of the epidemic.

Then we have the “Catholics” who are seeking sainthood through the affirmation and acceptance of man–‘justice,’ ‘mercy,’ and ‘love’ they claim–translation: ‘just do you, God’s ok with your life-choices; don’t change, be happy.’

So the Wrath of God meets them:
26 For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. 27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error. (Romans 1)
Maran atha!

Angel
 
…not only the courts but hollowood–have you not seen the various programs promoting the death culture, even commercials?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
That’s cause bullying works… Jesus warned that the children of the world were wiser than the children of the Kingdom of God; the children of the world come together to support their immoral existence and they use the secular government to force into the culture their agenda.

Remember how many times Ireland voted against homosexuality and abortion? Still the people were manipulated through financial incentives to vote yes.

The same goes for the nations word–they capitulate to the culture of death of they stand alone.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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