Reconciling Humani Generis with the human genetic data showing that there never were just two first parents

[Allyson]

changing theory - plus… no souls…

Adam and Eve are the first parents of the Human Race

I am also confused. What does “changing theory - plus…no souls…” mean?

 

[Allyson]

Another failed evo prediction. A confirmed prediction of ID.

No on both counts. Though it is repetitive: you do not understand evolution.

We could not know what is contained in a genome until we sequenced a genome.

 

[EndTimes]

“no souls”? Where did that come from? Humani Generis allows for no other humans. It does not refer to soulless men. It looks like inventing ways to make it read the way some want it to read is going on.

No… That’s not what I meant… Humani Generis teaches that Adam & Eve are the first parents of Man who is the first creature on Earth with a Soul - given to Man by God

 

[gama232]

After it was sequenced, one scientist said, “We have a book we cannot read.”

 

[gama232]

OK. I understand now.

 

[Hugh_Farey]

nothing within this Thread has debunked in any manner Humani Generis

In what sense? If you mean that Humani Generis is a statement of scientific fact, then it is probably false. If you mean that It is a statement of theological truth, then it is probably true.

God’s role is paramount.

Absolutely. But you’re clinging to a statement of denial that Pope John Paul didn’t make.

the message of Pope John Paul II cannot be read as a blanket approbation of all theories of evolution,

You quoted that before. The fact that there was no blanket approbation of all theories of evolution does not mean that there was a blanket denial of all theories of evolution. Some, as John Paul and subsequent Popes knew very well, are entirely compatible with the Catholic faith.

any version of the theory that explicitly denies divine providence is not acceptable/compatible.

Absolutely true. But what about versions of the theory that do not deny divine providence? Looking at them need not lead to error, but further enlightenment of the creative imagination of God.

Humani Generis Remains Standing

You say that a lot, as if it means something. Humani Generis exists, there’s no doubt about that.
It insists on the two-parents-only origin of the human race, I agree.
But on that point, I’m afraid it’s wrong.

 

[buffalo]

We could not know what is contained in a genome until we sequenced a genome.

I am calling BS on this one. Junk DNA was a main selling point of evo. It predicted no use would be found for it. It ws a failed prediction.

 

[gama232]

“it’s wrong” And Pope Benedict is wrong when he states evolution can’t be proven. You have nothing to stand on. You want the Church to say what you want it to say.

 

[Hugh_Farey]

Junk DNA was a main selling point of evo. It predicted no use would be found for it.

No, it didn’t. It said, for a while, that no use had been found for it, which was true. There was no prediction that no use would be found for it; quite the reverse. As soon as it was discovered there was considerable interest on finding a use for it, and a search which eventually found some.

 

[gama232]

“Seventeen years after its completion in 2001, the economic impact of the Human Genome Project can be estimated to be at least 50 dollars for every dollar invested. The scientific impact on the life sciences is beyond measure, as today one cannot imagine life science research without detailed genomic information for any well-studied organism. Genome sequence is often portrayed as “The book of life”. However, we cannot “read” from this book of life and understand the principles that underlie human biology. More precisely, we cannot—based on genomic sequences alone—compute predictive models for human phenotypes and disease. The sole interpreters of our book are our cells, and understanding how genomes function within cells, and how cells form tissues and dynamically remodel their activities when tissues progress towards disease is among the grand challenges in science and technology of our era. Moreover, although we can interrogate and manipulate many molecular mechanisms that control the life or death of cells, we generally cannot predict or cure diseases by analysing a patient’s tissues. This inability causes enormous suffering and a heavy, growing burden on our economy and ageing society.”

That is modern science.

 

[Hugh_Farey]

You want the Church to say what you want it to say.

You’re quite right about that. And it will, soon.

 

[gama232]

Quite false. You express a personal desire, nothing more. The Golden Age of Dissent in the Church has passed. Orthodoxy has been returning gradually. This means there will be less room for dissenters to maneuver. Catholics today are cleaning up the mess that was caused in the late 1960s. They are restoring the sacred. They are restoring those foundational truths which Pope Pius XII spoke about.

 

[EndTimes]

You say that a lot, as if it means something. Humani Generis exists, there’s no doubt about that.
It insists on the two-parents-only origin of the human race, I agree.
But on that point, I’m afraid it’s wrong.

It’s said to tell any amateur debunkers of Genesis that they’re wrong.
And? There’s no need to be afraid of Genesis, friend…
Anything else?

 

[Allyson]

After it was sequenced, one scientist said, “We have a book we cannot read.”

Uh yeah…because sequencing comes before decoding. Lol

 

[Allyson]

I am calling BS on this one. Junk DNA was a main selling point of evo. It predicted no use would be found for it. It ws a failed prediction.

The only BS here are the claims you make about evolution. You are the bestest worst cherry picker.

 

[Allyson]

That is modern science.

Yes. Much advancement and much more to go. Your point?

 

[EndTimes]

If you mean that Humani Generis is a statement of scientific fact

All who know - know that Genesis contains truth yet is not a treatise - in the manner of modern science

 

[gama232]

When all else fails, this. buffalo has presented clear Church teaching anyone can check.

 

[Hugh_Farey]

You express a personal desire, nothing more.

I do, yes. But I am quite confident in my expectation.

There’s no need to be afraid of Genesis, friend…

That’s OK. I’ve never been afraid of Genesis.

self-appointed 'Evolutionists

Are there any other ‘appointed’ evolutionists?

buffalo has presented clear Church teaching anyone can check.

He has indeed. And we have indeed.

 

[gama232]

The genome has been sequenced and they can’t read it. I read science journals related to that and here and there, a few clues. And more questions. You would think that by 2020, they would have figured out cancer. They haven’t. They throw drug combinations at it much like they did in the 20th Century, and a few stick, many don’t.

This thread is a “what people want to hear” thread. There is no debate. The Church is wrong. Right?