Redeeming Qualities in Same-Sex Relationships

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Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind, and with thy whole strength;
Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

That’s a great one. I love it, thanks. So what does loving your neighbor mean? Let’s look in James chapter 5, verse 20, shall we?

Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

I can love my brothers best NOT by giving them every sinful thing that they desire which will lead to death. I can love them best by trying with everything that I have to help them see the error of their ways, and lead them to life. This is what I pray for you.

I could spend the time to list all of the places where God says that homosexuality is wrong, but I’m sure you’ve heard them, and have closed your ears to what He wants for you.

 

[Rau]

… Again, homosexuality is present in over 500 species how exactly is that against natural law? …

Good grief. Have you ever studied Natural Law? It has nothing to do with “the laws of nature” of the behaviour of animals.

 

[lileli]

What do you understand the practical import of “Love God” to be?

To do the best that you can to respect others and do good while on this plane of existence. Dogma and rules change(Old Testament to new) but LOVE and honoring one another while uplifting one another does not. Positive actions etc.

 

[lileli]

That’s a great one. I love it, thanks. So what does loving your neighbor mean? Let’s look in James chapter 5, verse 20, shall we?

Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

I can love my brothers best NOT by giving them every sinful thing that they desire which will lead to death. I can love them best by trying with everything that I have to help them see the error of their ways, and lead them to life. This is what I pray for you.

I could spend the time to list all of the places where God says that homosexuality is wrong, but I’m sure you’ve heard them, and have closed your ears to what He wants for you.

You keep referring to God as a he which tells me you have a strange personification of the Lord. Pray for me and I pray that one day you open yourself to more tolerance and acceptance of your fellow human beings.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Animals that eat their young or mates are doing what is natural for them. Clearly, this isn’t the case for human well except for the fact that abortions have also been around since the dawn of humanity.

Well, I guess it’s natural for child sex predators to after kids. They might say that comes naturally to them. Should we just let that be?

Again, homosexuality is present in over 500 species how exactly is that against natural law?

 

[Louie1983]

I find it funny that certain beliefs are regulated to being disciplines after they change or are proven wrong. I am sure sexual morality will also be a discipline one day…

That’s because your understanding of the two is misguided or incorrect.

You haven’t given a valid example of a change in doctrine, only in discipline or approach.There is a difference.

Yes the church has changed it’s approach but it’s still proclaiming the same message, this is where I think your missing the point.

In all honesty I am praying for you and hope you find the peace you are searching for, Yes Pope Francis is quite different in his approach, But if you think for one second that he aiming to change doctrine or the church’s infallible belief then you are mistaken.

And it can be proven, I think a lot of people are confusing Pope Francis’ style or equating it to change in doctrine when it’s not.

There are literally dozens of quotes where he re-affirms Catholic doctrine, He is socially prgessive but doctrinally Orthodox.

 

[lileli]

Good grief. Have you ever studied Natural Law? It has nothing to do with “the laws of nature” of the behaviour of animals.

Sigh clearly you aren’t aware that a lot of philosophy has been proven wrong by real science. Universal guidance for mankind is nice but nothing in Natural ever proved homosexuality to be “wrong”

 

[Rau]

To do the best that you can to respect others and do good while on this plane of existence. Dogma and rules change(Old Testament to new) but LOVE and honoring one another while uplifting one another does not. Positive actions etc.

You started off well. I would have mentioned obey God’s law and Christ’s teaching. And respect the authority Christ gave to the Church to teach what God expect of us.

 

[Louie1983]

**You keep referring to God as a he **which tells me you have a strange personification of the Lord. Pray for me and I pray that one day you open yourself to more tolerance and acceptance of your fellow human beings.

Well Jesus being True God and True **man **…

 

[lileli]

That’s because your understanding of the two is misguided or incorrect.

You haven’t given a valid example of a change in doctrine, only in discipline or approach.There is a difference.

Yes the church has changed it’s approach but it’s still proclaiming the same message, this is where I think your missing the point.

In all honesty I am praying for you and hope you find the peace you are searching for, Yes Pope Francis is quite different in his approach, But if you think for one second that he aiming to change doctrine or the church’s infallible belief then you are mistaken.

And it can be proven, I think a lot of people are confusing Pope Francis’ style or equating it to change in doctrine when it’s not.

There are literally dozens of quotes where he re-affirms Catholic doctrine, He is socially prgessive but doctrinally Orthodox.

Forbidding the public from believing in the sun being the center of the solar system is Church teaching. Tell priests not to marry that is discipline and I am sorry that you can’t see how a body comprised by imperfect men has NOT changed throughout time…it has. The very presence of Christ in the bread was debated for a long time. …

 

[Rau]

…Pray for me and I pray that one day you open yourself to more tolerance and acceptance of your fellow human beings.

What intolerance of fellow human beings are talking about?

 

[SuperLuigi]

Sigh clearly you aren’t aware that a lot of philosophy has been proven wrong by real science. Universal guidance for mankind is nice but nothing in Natural ever proved homosexuality to be “wrong”

What “real science”?

 

[JD1789]

Animals that eat their young or mates are doing what is natural for them. Clearly, this isn’t the case for human well except for the fact that abortions have also been around since the dawn of humanity. Again, homosexuality is present in over 500 species how exactly is that against natural law? Clearly you know nothing about the evolution of sexuality and I suggest you get a better education. If someone opens a business they have service all , we as a society decided long ago that businesses should not be allowed to discriminate. Hello civil rights movement…

Natural law isn’t about determining what animals (including humans) do, but rather what they ought to do acording to their design. A society deciding something is actually ironically contrary to following natural law. I find it interesting that you appeal to a false idea of what natural law is in the first part of your comment then proceed to reject what natural law actually is in your second comment.

 

[Rau]

Sigh clearly you aren’t aware that a lot of philosophy has been proven wrong by real science. Universal guidance for mankind is nice but nothing in Natural ever proved homosexuality to be “wrong”

Science has nothing to say about whether one man ejaculating into another is right or wrong. What is it that you expect from Science?

 

[lileli]

That’s because your understanding of the two is misguided or incorrect.

You haven’t given a valid example of a change in doctrine, only in discipline or approach.There is a difference.

Yes the church has changed it’s approach but it’s still proclaiming the same message, this is where I think your missing the point.

In all honesty I am praying for you and hope you find the peace you are searching for, Yes Pope Francis is quite different in his approach, But if you think for one second that he aiming to change doctrine or the church’s infallible belief then you are mistaken.

And it can be proven, I think a lot of people are confusing Pope Francis’ style or equating it to change in doctrine when it’s not.

There are literally dozens of quotes where he re-affirms Catholic doctrine, He is socially prgessive but doctrinally Orthodox.

The Church used to teach that nonbelievers would go to hell but now it doesnt go there…marriage to non catholics wasn’t allowed until the 19th century…etc etc…

 

[JD1789]

Forbidding the public from believing in the sun being the center of the solar system is Church teaching. Tell priests not to marry that is discipline and I am sorry that you can’t see how a body comprised by imperfect men has NOT changed throughout time…it has. The very presenceth of Christ in the bread was debated for a long time. …

I will read up on how to fight for those with same-sex attraction to receive the rights they are entitled to if you promise to read up on geocentrism on catholic.com.

 

[lileli]

Science has nothing to say about whether one man ejaculating into another is right or wrong. What is it that you expect from Science?

The fact that you mention man to man explicitly shows me your bias against gay men You easily could of used women in your example but alas. Again, how does it harm you or anyone else if a man ejaculates into another man?

 

[JD1789]

The Church used to teach that nonbelievers would go to hell but now it doesnt go there…marriage to non catholics wasn’t allowed until the 19th century…etc etc…

I sincerely love that you are on these forums actively engaging in the pursuit of truth with orthodox Catholics, but please provide evidence of at least one of thes claims that you are making.

 

[lileli]

I will read up on how to fight for those with same-sex attraction to receive the rights they are entitled to if you promise to read up on geocentrism on catholic.com.

I have read it and I find it very funny how it tries to make it seem that the Church was smart because parts of His hypothesis were proven wrong. That speaks to a fundamental misunderstanding of science…

 

[SuperLuigi]

The Church used to teach that nonbelievers would go to hell but now it doesnt go there…marriage to non catholics wasn’t allowed until the 19th century…etc etc…

So why should the Church change its teaching on homosexual actions? Because society has suddenly decided it’s for selfish reasons (ie because it’s just easier to let it happen, just like 2 people playing house)?

The Church has always sought the Truth. Homosexual relationships are a lie morally and scientifically they offer no net benefit to society.