Refugees detained at US airports after Trump exec order

[M-Dent]

No, correct. Look it up.

Of course, these crimes would be null if the criminals where not in Germany.

(Of course crimes rose by the minority who committed them)

 

[gracepoole]

Of course, these crimes would be null if the criminals where not in Germany.

(Of course crimes rose by the minority who committed them)

You should maybe read the links I provided.

 

[FollowChrist34]

foxnews.com/

ORDER IS BLOCKED (do we all know this - I did not look for a thread)

I am glad. This might actually save Trump from himself. First rookie screw up. And what a beauty. The events today from this order are like a Saturday Night Live anti-Trump skit.

Oh Trump don’t fail us! Don’t hand us over to the dark side of the lefties…by out dark siding / crazing them.

 

[M-Dent]

You should maybe read the links I provided.

I did… and crime increases with migrants.

 

[SuperLuigi]

No, correct. Look it up.

politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/11/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-germany-now-riddled-crime-thanks/

thelocal.de/20160610/why-refugee-crime-numbers-have-plummeted

reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime-idUSKCN0YT28V

breitbart.com/london/2016/05/23/germany-registers-surge-crimes-right-wing-radicals/

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3851012/I-don-t-feel-safe-refugees-Inside-stunning-German-ski-resort-hit-major-migrant-crime-wave-women-frightened-carry-pepper-spray.html

Migrants committed or tried to commit 69,000 crimes in first three months in Germany alone:
reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime-idUSKCN0YT28V

Women don’t feel safe in German refugee camps:
huffingtonpost.com/2015/09/29/women-german-refugee-camps-safety_n_8215724.html

 

[SuperLuigi]

You’re willing to ban refugees who are directly in harm’s way because you believe it’s reasonable to think you’ll be the 1 in 3.6 billion to be killed by a refugee?

Show me the methodology behind that and I’ll show how it’s wrong.

Other than the fact that many people have already been killed in Germany by non-German migrants and their population is less than 3.6 billion.

 

[_Abyssinia]

foxnews.com/

ORDER IS BLOCKED (do we all know this - I did not look for a thread)

I am glad. This might actually save Trump from himself. First rookie screw up. And what a beauty. The events today from this order are like a Saturday Night Live anti-Trump skit.

Oh Trump don’t fail us! Don’t hand us over to the dark side of the lefties…by out dark siding / crazing them.

The entire executive order has not been blocked.

The stay granted by the judge only pertains to those who were already physically present in the United States, or in transit to the United States at the time the Executive Order was signed. It likewise only pertains to those with valid, legal visas. The Executive Order remains in force with respect to all would-be travelers and refugees from the seven program countries referenced in the Executive Order.

theblaze.com/news/2017/01/28/federal-judge-grants-aclu-motion-places-limited-temporary-stay-on-refugee-executive-order/

 

[Tim_D]

You’re referring to others’ arguments as silly and bemoaning the lack of basic facts in this thread while not being able to describe the current vetting process or cite the fantastically low odds of being the target of a refugee terrorist?

Perhaps you should talk to the people of Austria who purchased every single shotgun available (no other type guns are legal) as a response to the increase in crime that accompanied the entrance of thousands of refugees. Do you know something that they don’t?

 

[gracepoole]

I did… and crime increases with migrants.

Crime increases with population increases. And yet still, refugees from Iraq and Syria are associated with lower crime rates. If Trump’s worried about refugees committing crimes, he should have banned those coming from Georgia, for example.

It doesn’t seem any one is willing, either, to recognize the variety of factors that impact the type and number of crimes committed by refugees.

 

[Tim_D]

You’re willing to ban refugees who are directly in harm’s way because you believe it’s reasonable to think you’ll be the 1 in 3.6 billion to be killed by a refugee?

So, how many people would you allow to be killed by terrorist/refugees before you think the problem needs to be addressed?

 

[philipl]

Tragic. Trump is very much at odds with the bishops and the Pope on a score of issues.
But be careful. Criticism of Trump is not well received on this board.

Trump is the legally elected President of the USA. He made promises and those that elected him expect them to be kept.

 

[gracepoole]

Show me the methodology behind that and I’ll show how it’s wrong.

You’re willing to say the methodology is wrong before even knowing what it is? :ehh:

Have at it: object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa798_1_1.pdf

 

[dvdjs]

What is the current vetting process?
Furthermore, what is the likelihood of dying at the hands of a refugee terrorist?

see @McFaul

Process

1. Register with UN
2. Interview with UN
3. Get refugee sttus from UN
4. Get referrral to US
5. Interview with State Department
6. First background check
7. Possible higher level background check
8. Second background check
9. Fingerprint check #1
10. Fingerprint check #2
11. Fingerprint check #3
12. Review by US immigration
13. Possible new review
14. Homeland security in-person review and
15. Approval
16. Contagious disease screening
17. Cultural Orientation
18. Resettlement agency match
19. Multi-agency security check
20. Final security check at airport.

Likelihood:
Since introduction of post 9/11 proceedures, ZERO refugees have been convicted of domestic terrorism.

 

[dvdjs]

So, how many people would you allow to be killed by terrorist/refugees before you think the problem needs to be addressed?

How much liberty will you sacrifice for some potential increment security?

 

[gracepoole]

So, how many people would you allow to be killed by terrorist/refugees before you think the problem needs to be addressed?

Do you know the odds of being crushed to death by a piece of furniture? Or the odds of your clothes catching on fire and killing you? Because both are greater than the likelihood that you’ll be killed by a refugee terrorist. There are approximately 320 million American citizens, and the odds of being killed by a refugee terrorist are 1 in 3.6 billion. You’re seriously arguing that this is a rational fear? If it is, you might want to look at your pants twice the next time you slide them on or watch your step around your couch – both could be out to kill you.

 

[FollowChrist34]

There is such intense world backlash at this, and not just from Muslim countries. It will serve to isolate Trump - also hurt Brexit, other concerns of our allies. Trump cannot play into the hands of his worst enemies like this. If you support Trump, you should be very worried right now. Good idea, very very very badly handled.

 

[M-Dent]

Crime increases with population increases. And yet still, refugees from Iraq and Syria are associated with lower crime rates.

It does. The link I provided demonstrates an increase of crime added by a migrant population. I am not claiming Iraqis and Syrians are more prone to criminal activity.

If Trump’s worried about refugees committing crimes, he should have banned those coming from Georgia, for example.

It doesn’t seem any one is willing, either, to recognize the variety of factors that impact the type and number of crimes committed by refugees.

My opinion, if we are going to execute extreme vetting – do it across the board. PERIOD. The Saudi’s, Pakastinian, Russian, Venezuelan…the list goes on.

 

[Tim_D]

How much liberty will you sacrifice for some potential increment security?

I’m not sacrificing a thing. I would hardly say that a more rigorous vetting process is a bad thing.

 

[_Abyssinia]

see @McFaul

Process

1. Register with UN
2. Interview with UN
3. Get refugee sttus from UN
4. Get referrral to US
5. Interview with State Department
6. First background check
7. Possible higher level background check
8. Second background check
9. Fingerprint check #1
10. Fingerprint check #2
11. Fingerprint check #3
12. Review by US immigration
13. Possible new review
14. Homeland security in-person review and
15. Approval
16. Contagious disease screening
17. Cultural Orientation
18. Resettlement agency match
19. Multi-agency security check
20. Final security check at airport.

Likelihood:
Since introduction of post 9/11 proceedures, ZERO refugees have been convicted of domestic terrorism.

Was Abdul Razak Arcan not convicted of commiting an act of domestic terrorism in 2016? He came to the USA as a refugee: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Ohio_State_University_attack

He is not the only person who came to the USA as a refugee who committed acts of likely Islamic radicalism.

 

[Tim_D]

Do you know the odds of being crushed to death by a piece of furniture? Or the odds of your clothes catching on fire and killing you? Because both are greater than the likelihood that you’ll be killed by a refugee terrorist. There are approximately 320 million American citizens, and the odds of being killed by a refugee terrorist are 1 in 3.6 billion. You’re seriously arguing that this is a rational fear? If it is, you might want to look at your pants twice the next time you slide them on or watch your step around your couch – both could be out to kill you.

You have a very strange perspective. All I know is that there have been many people who have died as a victim of terrorism, be it home grown or from afar. The FBI will deal with the ones in this country and I have very little reason to think that vetting people from lands that are in flames and infested by terror groups who have stated the wish to bring the fight to our shores is a bad thing that will have no effect. Your post has, however, alerted me to the danger that the grand-father clock presents and I will most immediately bring it to the attention of the authorities.