Refugees detained at US airports after Trump exec order

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Tim_D said:
What countries don’t require passports for international travel?

Are your children from failed states run by terrorist organizations? Are they from those specific countries listed? If not, then there is nothing to worry about. By the way, it isn’t all about you.
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I said visas, not passports. Big difference. It’s important. Look it up.

And no, I know it’s not all about me. If it was just about me, I could live with this.

It’s about some poor schmuck stuck in an airport somewhere, who thought, once he had his green card, he was safe and sound, and could study and work and live his life in peace. And now he can’t.

It’s about separated families. About children who might not get to know their grandparents.

And it’s about America, once seen as the land of promise and opportunity the world over, but now, surely, to be seen as something else.
 
Tim_D said:
Well, considering Iran is working very hard to develope nuclear weapons, which will cause Saudi Arabia to have to develope them in return, I think that we can say that Iran is a special case.
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Trump said all Muslims. Period. Why the selectivity for some Muslim countries but not all of them? Logic would dictate a country believed to be complicit in 9/11 (thanks, redacted 9/11 Commission Report) should be vetted thoroughly as well. I guess those are “alternative facts.” What an awesome day to be a Muslim from Saudi Arabia.
 
meltzerboy said:
Isn’t Trump using the opposite reasoning, namely, the fact that terrorists come largely from Muslim countries means that the U.S. should ban ALL Muslim immigrants to the U.S.?
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The fact that his actions do not support this theory suggests this isn’t his reasoning. If so, there would be a huge number of countries on that list, including Saudi Arabia, or simply a ban on all Muslims.

The fact that this is limited to 7 countries–6 of which have wars involving a large terrorist presence–means the more likely answer is that he sees a greater threat in areas where an active war is taking place or, in the case of Iran, have openly declared hostility to the US as part of their ideology and have repeatedly supported terrorist groups that have attacked a US ally.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Alawite Muslims are a minority, and they have undergone persecution. They could even possibly apply under these regulations.
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Alawites are hardly an oppressed minority. The president of Syria, Bashar al-Asad, is an Alawite as was his father the previous president of Syria, Hafiz al-Asad. Until the civil war, the Alawites had been running Syria.
 
Tim_D said:
Well, considering Iran is working very hard to develope nuclear weapons, which will cause Saudi Arabia to have to develope them in return, I think that we can say that Iran is a special case.
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Then how about North Korea, which is also higher on the list than Iran and also developing nuclear weapons?
 
joshman1 said:
And yet they didn’t ban immigrants and refugees.

It’s not about them anymore anyways - Trump is our president. And people are NOT going to stand for this. This isn’t what America was built on.
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An emergency stay has allowed those with VISAs currently at airports to come to the US.
 
ATraveller said:
The Saudi hereditary dictatorship is doing exactly what their Iranians are doing, which is reshaping the Middle East into an ultra-fundamentalist caliphate. The dictatorship uses its oil revenues to spread Wahhabism beyond the ME. This is the ideology that has fuelled violence from Al Qaeda, the Islamic State group, Boko Haram in Nigeria, Al Shabab in Somalia, Abu Sayaaf in the Southern Philippines, and plenty more. It uses money to fund extremist mosques throughout the West including America. The also give textbooks to Islamic schools that incite young children to kill Christians, Jews, and infidels. These are the facts. This not in anyway to defend Iran. The fact is there are no allies for the West in the Middle East except Israel.
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They would do that without US support anyway. I’m no fan of Saudi Arabia for the reasons you mentioned, but they can be useful. They are helping in the fight against ISIS and contain Iran.

Ironically, their state funded spread of Wahhabism around the world works against them by creating extreme offshoots that end up posing a security threat to Saudi Arabia itself. I wonder when they’ll realize this.
 
Tim_D said:
I’m not the one pulling my hair out over Trump’s executive order. I happen to think that a halt to “refugees” from failed states run by terrorist organizations until proper vetting can be achieved is a good, sound rational policy.
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What is the current vetting process?

Furthermore, what is the likelihood of dying at the hands of a refugee terrorist?
 
Thorolfr said:
Alawites are hardly an oppressed minority. The president of Syria, Bashar al-Asad, is an Alawite as was his father the previous president of Syria, Hafiz al-Asad. Until the civil war, the Alawites had been running Syria.
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This Reuters article describes the Alawites as, ‘a secretive and persecuted sect’: google.co.uk/amp/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSTRE8110Q720120202?client=safari

But I’m not talking specifically about them in Syria, but perhaps their exists members of this religion in other Middle Eastern countries that have undergone or undergoing religious persecution and if they do exist in these other countries, unlike Syria which has a hold, they can claim refugee status and be given prioritised status under the new executive order.
 
_Abyssinia said:
This Reuters article describes the Alawites as, ‘a secretive and persecuted sect’: google.co.uk/amp/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSTRE8110Q720120202?client=safari

But I’m not talking specifically about them in Syria, but perhaps their exists members of this religion in other Middle Eastern countries that have undergone or undergoing religious persecution and if they do exist in these other countries, unlike Syria which has a hold, they can claim refugee status and be given prioritised status under the new executive order.
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I wonder if Shia Muslims from Saudi Arabia and Bahrain will be able to come to the US as refugees? They’ve been persecuted for quite a while by the Sunnis in those countries.
 
gracepoole said:
What is the current vetting process?

Furthermore, what is the likelihood of dying at the hands of a refugee terrorist?
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It’s not just terrorism. The crime rate in the EU has soared because of mass, unchecked immigration and other movement of people.
 
Bill_Martin said:
They would do that without US support anyway. **I’m no fan of Saudi Arabia for the reasons you mentioned, but they can be useful. They are helping in the fight against ISIS and contain Iran. **

Ironically, their state funded spread of Wahhabism around the world works against them by creating extreme offshoots that end up posing a security threat to Saudi Arabia itself. I wonder when they’ll realize this.
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Al-Qaida aligned militia are fighting ISIS in Syria. Iran is fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria. It’s a bad idea to align with either. The Saudi’s have long proved they are no friends of the US.
 
Thorolfr said:
I wonder if Shia Muslims from Saudi Arabia and Bahrain will be able to come to the US as refugees? They’ve been persecuted for quite a while by the Sunni majority.
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Saudi Arabia and Bahrain are not part of the EO, so I don’t see why not, even if they weren’t a minority.
 
Thorolfr said:
I wonder if Shia Muslims from Saudi Arabia and Bahrain will be able to come to the US as refugees? They’ve been persecuted for quite a while by the Sunni majority.
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Not if they have been radicalized to fight the West. Some things make such divisions disappear.
 
Bill_Martin said:
They would do that without US support anyway. I’m no fan of Saudi Arabia for the reasons you mentioned, but they can be useful. They are helping in the fight against ISIS and contain Iran.

Ironically, their state funded spread of Wahhabism around the world works against them by creating extreme offshoots that end up posing a security threat to Saudi Arabia itself. I wonder when they’ll realize this.
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What will contain the Saudis? That’s like unleashing spiders to handle an insect infestation but then being overrun by spiders.

They haven’t stopped teaching children to hate non-Sunni Muslims likely because they have a tight grip on the population. It’s like the body’s immune system getting rid of tumour cells.
 
SuperLuigi said:
It’s not just terrorism. The crime rate in the EU has soared because of mass, unchecked immigration and other movement of people.
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In Germany, lower crime rates were associated with refugees from Syria and Iraq, which have been targeted via Trump’s ban. Refugees are not a homogeneous group and a number of significant factors help determine the likelihood of crime.
 
SuperLuigi said:
An emergency stay has allowed those with VISAs currently at airports to come to the US.
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Yes. US District Judge Ann Donnelly. Thank God someone was willing to stand up to President Trump.

It’s a credit to the wisdom of the Framers, who ensured that we have an independent judiciary.
 
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