Refugees detained at US airports after Trump exec order

[josh987654321]

Is that all that Trump did was call for better vetting?

Yes, I believe so. As Clinton and Obama wanted basically open borders and since they couldn’t tell the good guys from the bad guys (their arming of ISIS to begin with and their refusal to acknowledge radical Islamic terrorism) then they were not going to vet any and if they did their vetting would have been terribly inadequate I believe.

How good is good enough?

I don’t know, I would have to leave it to the professionals, hopefully within reason and a timely manner.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[ThinkingSapien]

In the philosophy forum a reoccurring moral question is “would you have hidden Jews in your attic.” I think the question of supporting the entry of refugees into ones country to be the closest modern scenario.

 

[EIF5A]

In the philosophy forum a reoccurring moral question is “would you have hidden Jews in your attic.” I think the question of supporting the entry of refugees into ones country to be the closest modern scenario.

There weren’t Jewish terrorist groups actually threatening to use the refugee system to cause terror attacks.

Islam is not compatible with the West.

Unfortunately because of a significant minority of terrorists and sympathizers, extreme measures have to be taken for precaution and safety of citizens.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

Hebrews 13: 1 Let mutual love continue. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it.

Colossians 3:11 In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and free; but Christ is all and in all.

Matthew 25: 35 I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.

We have chosen to fear rather than welcome. FEAR is now in control of our nation.

 

[ToeInTheWater]

Yes, I believe so. As Clinton and Obama wanted basically open borders and since they couldn’t tell the good guys from the bad guys (their arming of ISIS to begin with and their refusal to acknowledge radical Islamic terrorism) then they were not going to vet any and if they did their vetting would have been terribly inadequate I believe.

Maybe you didn’t read my last post so here’s a simpler version.

Not agreeing with Trump = / = agreeing with Clinton/Obama

Thinking E.O. banning entry of all people from a country including those who already have green cards goes overboard = / = wanting open borders and refusing to acknowledge radical Islamic terrorism

FYI the “=/=” means NOT

Maybe I need to take a break from this forum before I do this: :banghead:

 

[EIF5A]

Hebrews 13: 1 Let mutual love continue. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it.

Colossians 3:11 In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and free; but Christ is all and in all.

Matthew 25: 35 I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.

We have chosen to fear rather than welcome. FEAR is now in control of our nation.

You say fear, others says necessary precaution to sort things out.

Things won’t be perfect. But growing pains I guess. Hopefully over soon.

There’s a global Islamic jihad, and we can’t ignore it because it makes us uncomfortable.

 

[Seamus_L]

Airport protests are being pretty much being organized by CAIR, a group that has a rather dubious history.

 

[randomuser]

AGREED. In my humble opinion, our government’s number 1 goal is to protect it’s citizens from attacks. Period. 11 people were inconvenienced trying to enter our country. So were all the families who lost loved ones to terrorists. There isn’t a single doubt in my mind that Mr. Trump will correct these transitional issues.

God Bless You.

Well, I certainly hope that if “Trump will correct these transitional issues,” that he will include all Muslim countries – INCLUDING FROM SAUDI ARABIA, whose Muslims currently have a free pass to come and go as they please – or none at all. The selectivity is not only unlawful and an insult to families who lost loved ones on 09/11, it’s clearly unconstitutional as well. Why is Trump giving a free pass to Saudi Arabia’s Muslims?

 

[sallybutler]

Well, I certainly hope that if “Trump will correct these transitional issues,” that he will include all Muslim countries – INCLUDING FROM SAUDI ARABIA, whose Muslims currently have a free pass to come and go as they please – or none at all. The selectivity is not only unlawful and an insult to families who lost loved ones on 09/11, it’s clearly unconstitutional as well. Why is Trump giving a free pass to Saudi Arabia’s Muslims?

Because they control OPEC, same reason every other president has given them a free pass.

 

[gracepoole]

There weren’t Jewish terrorist groups actually threatening to use the refugee system to cause terror attacks.

Islam is not compatible with the West.

Unfortunately because of a significant minority of terrorists and sympathizers, extreme measures have to be taken for precaution and safety of citizens.

It’s absolutely an apt comparison. Jews of Europe in the 1930’s and 40’s posed the same risk that refugees pose today. It isn’t rational to bar them because we fear they’re terrorists.

nytimes.com/2016/08/25/opinion/anne-frank-today-is-a-syrian-girl.html

 

[randomuser]

Because they control OPEC, same reason every other president has given them a free pass.

Christians are still being persecuted in Saudi Arabia. I thought Trump cared about the persecution of Christians in the Middle East…? Among the numerous examples:

forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2015/06/15/religious-persecution-rising-islam-threatens-religious-minorities-especially-in-middle-east/#2b055d975563

jihadwatch.org/2016/09/saudi-arabia-27-christians-arrested-and-deported-for-conducting-christian-prayers-in-private-residence

worthynews.com/789-saudi-arabia-once-again-leads-the-world-in-christian-persecution-as-well-as-oil-production

Trump should be ashamed of himself for giving a free pass to Saudi Arabia’s MUSLIMS to come and go as they please. Absolutely ashamed.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Well, I certainly hope that if “Trump will correct these transitional issues,” that he will include all Muslim countries – INCLUDING FROM SAUDI ARABIA, whose Muslims currently have a free pass to come and go as they please – or none at all. The selectivity is not only unlawful and an insult to families who lost loved ones on 09/11, it’s clearly unconstitutional as well. Why is Trump giving a free pass to Saudi Arabia’s Muslims?

Per Steven Portnoy:

Why those 7 countries? Trump’s relying on determinations made by Obama’s DHS/State last yr that they have “repeatedly” supported terror.

twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/825430376126541824

So the seven countries were selected because of what the Department of Homeland Security under President Obama declared these countries to be.

Saudi Arabia was not a country on that list. Based on what Portnoy tweeted, presumably whether a country is listed as supporting terrorism on a repeated basis is determined by the Department of Homeland Security? And under the Obama administration Department of Homeland Security, Saudi Arabia was not on the list and the seven countries were.

The Trump administration took the list of the seven countries that had been determined by the Obama administration Department Of Homeland Security to be countries that had repeated support for terror, for the executive order.

 

[EIF5A]

It’s absolutely an apt comparison. Jews of Europe in the 1930’s and 40’s posed the same risk that refugees pose today. It isn’t rational to bar them because we fear they’re terrorists.

nytimes.com/2016/08/25/opinion/anne-frank-today-is-a-syrian-girl.html

Jews weren’t following a religion that at its core is incompatible with the West.

And there wasn’t a worldwide fanatical Jewish sect seeking to terrorize the world into submission.

There weren’t Jewish sympathizers of terrorist groups.

I’m sure you’re aware of the chaos in the western European countries as they thought preaching tolerance to the refugees and migrants would make them assimilate and love European values.

 

[randomuser]

Per Steven Portnoy:

twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/825430376126541824

So the seven countries were selected because of what the Department of Homeland Security under President Obama declared these countries to be.

Saudi Arabia was not a country on that list. Whether a country is listed as supporting terrorism on a repeated basis is determined by the Department of Homeland Security and under the Obama administration Department of Homeland Security, Saudi Arabia was not on the list and the seven countries were.

Oh, so Trump’s not draining the swamp after all? He’s still wallowing in Obama’s DHS decisions? Your explanation – and Steven Portney’s Tweet – makes Trump’s clearly unconstitutional and pro-Saudi Arabia’s Muslim EO all the more wrong on so many levels.

Was Trump’s pick for the DHS not confirmed yet? I simply can’t see Trump’s DHS pick rubber-stamping Obama’s policies, particularly when those policies still favor Saudi Arabia’s Muslims. Trump’s message to ISIS and Islamic Fundamentalists everywhere: set up shop in Saudi Arabia, and we’ll leave you alone. How is that conclusion in any way inaccurate?

 

[gracepoole]

Jews weren’t following a religion that at its core is incompatible with the West.

Whoa… So no Muslims should be permitted here?

 

[randomuser]

Whoa… So no Muslims should be permitted here?

cough,cough Muslims from Saudi Arabia get a free pass, apparently.

 

[EIF5A]

Whoa… So no Muslims should be permitted here?

This is a temporary halt.

If someone (Muslim or otherwise) sympathizes with ISIS or doesn’t reject sharia law, then yes, they shouldn’t be permitted.

 

[gilliam]

There is no Muslim ban. There are plenty of Muslim nations that are not listed in the EO, so to call it a ‘Muslim ban’ is silly.

 

[dvdjs]

Whether death was incurred shouldn’t be the only determination here in regards to refugees. What about injury without death? No person that Artan attacked in his rampage died, but he injured multiple people and for all I know, there could be those still in hospital because of the injuries. Some may be permanently injured, physically and/or mentally because of what Artan did.

I don’t see your point. No one support mayhem and murder. The question is what are good policies to reduce it. Artan became radicalized because through ISIS propaganda about the extreme antipathy of the West to Muslim. Trump has played into their hands. Not smart.

 

[dvdjs]

We had a term I remember hearing when I was little back in the 60’s, but it seems to be politically incorrect now. That term was Undesirable Alien, and it’s pretty much self explanatory. No one has an inalienable right to come to the United States. In the past, if we didn’t believe it was in our best interests, we denied entry to certain people. Nowdays though, I hear people spouting modernistic rubbish, from the world without borders crowd, that anyone from anywhere has as much right to be here as Americans do.

The people turned away yesterday included highly desirable aliens, including people who worked with us in Iraq. Not smart.