Refugees detained at US airports after Trump exec order

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randomuser said:
Oh, so Trump’s not draining the swamp after all? He’s still wallowing in Obama’s DHS decisions? Your explanation – and Steven Portney’s Tweet – makes Trump’s clearly unconstitutional and pro-Saudi Arabia’s Muslim EO all the more wrong on so many levels.

Was Trump’s pick for the DHS not confirmed yet? I simply can’t see Trump’s DHS pick rubber-stamping Obama’s policies, particularly when those policies still favor Saudi Arabia’s Muslims. Trump’s message to ISIS and Islamic Fundamentalists everywhere: set up shop in Saudi Arabia, and we’ll leave you alone. How is that conclusion in any way inaccurate?
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Did you ever complain when President Obama was in office that Saudi Arabia was not designated as a country that repeatedly supported terror, because I presume it wasn’t?

Islamic radicals could gather in any number of countries that is not on the list, like Pakistan or Indonesia. They could even gather in various European countries that they may themselves have infiltrated as refugees and plan to try and come to the USA. But none of these countries are included. I don’t have the incite to know why there were not others included in the list by the Obama administration Department of Homeland Security or why more were not added by the Trump administration / Department of Homeland Security.

It is not clear at all that the executive order is unconstitutional. Was it unconstitutional when the Obama administration blocked all refugees from Iraq for 6 months in 2011?
 
EIF5A said:
This is a temporary halt.

If someone (Muslim or otherwise) sympathizes with ISIS or doesn’t reject sharia law, then yes, they shouldn’t be permitted.
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You said their faith is “incompatible with the West.” What’s the point of a “temporary halt” then? If they’re truly “incompatible,” a temporary halt won’t change this fact.

And you realize that there are plenty of Jewish law courts already in the US, right? Are Jews also incompatible?
 
Mummsie said:
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AGREED. In my humble opinion, our government’s number 1 goal is to protect it’s citizens from attacks. Period. 11 people were inconvenienced trying to enter our country. So were all the families who lost loved ones to terrorists. There isn’t a single doubt in my mind that Mr. Trump will correct these transitional issues.
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It is not proper to say, simply, that people were inconvenienced.
We turned away people who have risked their lives to support us, and sacrificed everything to move here. We have put people’s livelihood and lives in jeopardy. And this has not done a thing to improve security in our nation, but has probably weakened it.

It’s OK t want to do soemthing. But it is important to do something useful.
 
ToeInTheWater said:
And BTW I certainly did NOT agree with Obama’s approach to Islamist terrorism, which was to bend over backward, stick his head in the sand, and essentially deny it’s a serious threat to people living in the US. He essentially refused to accept that any of the recent terrorist attacks were actually terrorist attacks. That was also ridiculous.
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What is in the water?
 
josh987654321 said:
As Clinton and Obama wanted basically open borders and since they couldn’t tell the good guys from the bad guys (their arming of ISIS to begin with and their refusal to acknowledge radical Islamic terrorism) then they were not going to vet any and if they did their vetting would have been terribly inadequate I believe.
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Essentially all of what you have written is contradicted by actual, non-alternative facts.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Per Steven Portnoy:

twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/825430376126541824

So the seven countries were selected because of what the Department of Homeland Security under President Obama declared these countries to be.

Saudi Arabia was not a country on that list. Based on what Portnoy tweeted, presumably whether a country is listed as supporting terrorism on a repeated basis is determined by the Department of Homeland Security? And under the Obama administration Department of Homeland Security, Saudi Arabia was not on the list and the seven countries were.

The Trump administration took the list of the seven countries that had been determined by the Obama administration Department Of Homeland Security to be countries that had repeated support for terror, for the executive order.
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You are the sound of one hand clapping. No-one here wants to hear the facts; they would rather resort to reactions on the emotional level.
 
President Trump’s WH chief of staff Reince Priebus joins NBC’s Chuck Todd on ‘Meet The Press’ to defend Trump’s executive order restricting people coming into the U.S. from seven middle eastern countries.

“The fact of the matter is that 325,000 people from foreign countries came into the United States yesterday, and 109 people were detained for further questioning. Most of those people were moved out. We’ve got a couple dozen more that remain,” Priebus told Todd. “I would suspect that as long as they are not awful people, they will be moved through today… If they’re folks that shouldn’t be in this country, they’re going to be detained. So we apologize for nothing here.”

video
realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/01/29/priebus_we_wont_apologize_for_keeping_america_safe.html
 
I’d love to see Saudi Arabia on the list, but the obvious reason that they are not is the fact that they are not considered unstable at the moment.
 
Tim_D said:
Thank you. That link has just made all 21 pages of this tread irrelevant. Facts matter; emotions don’t.
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Yes, facts matter. Facts like the actual threat posed by refugees. Too bad the government hasn’t placed a ban on swing sets, which actually kill 20 people a year. At least that would be based in fact.
 
gracepoole said:
Yes, facts matter. Facts like the actual threat posed by refugees.
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Don’t forget about their furniture.

Honestly, your perspective on this is bizarre. How many people have been killed by nuclear weapons? Based on world population growth since 1945, not very many. Does that mean we should just allow the unrestrained proliferation of nuclear arms all around the world?
 
Tim_D said:
Don’t forget about their furniture.

Honestly, your perspective on this is bizarre. How many people have been killed by nuclear weapons? Based on world population growth since 1945, not very many. Does that mean we should just allow the unrestrained proliferation of nuclear arms all around the world?
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We’re not talking about a “thing”, like nuclear arms. We’re talking about people. Why oh why is it “bizarre” to think rationally about the actual risk posed by these people instead of listening to hysteria that sees the enemy in them? The hysteria is what’s bizarre.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
This thread has to do with refugees being detained due to this ban. This article was written Friday before any detentions happened.
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That article was published yesterday January 28 at 5:32pm. This thread was begun yesterday at 9:58am.
 
gracepoole said:
We’re not talking about a “thing”, like nuclear arms. We’re talking about people. Why oh why is it “bizarre” to think rationally about the actual risk posed by these people instead of listening to hysteria that sees the enemy in them? The hysteria is what’s bizarre.
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Nor are we talking about furniture or swing sets. It is a known fact that terrorist organizations are using refugees status as a way of getting operatives into “enemy” countries. They did it in France with the Paris theater massacre and they also did it in Belgium. How many people killed by terrorists are you willing to accept before they reach a point where you say “enough?” One person is one too many in my book. If Trump did nothing and an event occurred, he would be criticized for not doing enough. He takes proactive action and now he’s being criticized for doing too much. Some of you will never be satisfied.
 
If Trump’s refugee ban was in effect in Europe in 2015-2016 more than 200 victims of terror would now be alive.
 
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