Relativism and skepticism are logical suicide

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LeonardDeNoblac said:
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Freddy:
Are you including yourself?
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Nice joke. But I’m trying to be as intellectually honest as possible.
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Then you should grant that to everyone else as well. Or are you suggesting that others don’t try as hard as you…
 
Freddy said:
Then you should grant that to everyone else as well. Or are you suggesting that others don’t try as hard as you…
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I hope they do. But I know humanity is sinful.
Do you believe everyone is intellectually honest? Do you believe no one has a problem accepting the truth when he/she knows it?
 
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EndTimes said:
It’s self-eviden
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I don’t see relativism as being self-evident. Quite the contrary. Take for example the virtue of modesty. It seems to me that modesty in women’s clothing is relative to the time, to the place and to the culture. What is modest at one time or in one culture may not be so in another.
 
Dan123 said:
Is it? It’s practically tautological. “The creatures with traits giving them a survival advantage will be more likely to survive.” As for what’s needed for survival changing, that’s readily observed any time there’s a natural disaster, or humans build a dam or what have you that changes the ecosystem of an area. Those poorly suited to the change leave or die. Those who are suited for it or who adapt thrive.
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An organism can’t wait around for millions of years for evolution to make it fit . What organism right now is unfit for it’s environment ?
 
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Me speaking to relativist: How can you say that you know for sure that you can’t know anything for sure? Is this not a contradiction?

Relativist: Walks away from me.
 
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Freddy said:
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Techno2000:
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Techno2000:
An organism can’t wait around for millions of years for evolution to make it fit . What organism right now is unfit for it’s environment ?
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It’s not a binary fit/not fit, it’s more fit/less fit.
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Vague…
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Probably why you find it so difficult a concept to grasp, Techno.
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Yes, after thousands of vague answers I"ve gotten over years on this forum, I do find it difficult to grasp.
 
Techno2000 said:
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Freddy:
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Techno2000:
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Techno2000:
An organism can’t wait around for millions of years for evolution to make it fit . What organism right now is unfit for it’s environment ?
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It’s not a binary fit/not fit, it’s more fit/less fit.
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Vague…
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Probably why you find it so difficult a concept to grasp, Techno.
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Yes, after thousands of vague answers I"ve gotten over years on this forum, I do find it difficult to grasp.
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Might I suggest some study? If someone argues that Aquinas’ five ways are an excellent way to determine that God exists then I feel obliged to learn enough about them to hold a reasonable conversation. Even if I disagreed with them completely, at least I’d be able to put forward a relatively cogent argument.

I don’t want to be rude, but in all my years on this forum you have not exhibited any inclination whatsoever to learn even the basics of evolutionary theory. Hence we find you asking the same ill-informed questions time and time again.

A forum is a two way street, Techno. If you want to discuss a subject and want people’s views on it then you are obliged to spend some time investigating it yourself.
 
catholic03 said:
Me speaking to relativist: How can you say that you know for sure that you can’t know anything for sure? Is this not a contradiction?

Relativist: Walks away from me.
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Desperately trying not to answer in the same vein (‘Me speaking to catholic03…etc’), proposing that there is such a thing as relativism does NOT imply that absolute statements cannot exist.

‘Harming a child is wrong’ is not an absolute statement because we don’t know why the child is being harmed. She may be having chemotherapy which will definitely harm her but will hopefully cure her.

‘Harming a child for fun’ is an absolute statement. We can tell it’s wrong in itself. Please don’t ask me why we know that…
 
Are there any plants or animals right now that are unfit for their environment ?
 
Techno2000 said:
Are there any plants or animals right now that are unfit for their environment ?
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Go do some study, Techno and then come back in a few weeks. I just called in to suggest that. Not to give you vague answers to ill informed questions.
 
catholic03 said:
Me speaking to relativist: How can you say that you know for sure that you can’t know anything for sure? Is this not a contradiction?
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Some things you can know pretty much for sure. Some other things are difficult to know if not impossible such as the simultaneous position and momentum. There seems to be a certain amount of uncertainty built in to much of our knowledge.
 
Techno2000 said:
What organism right now is unfit for it’s environment ?
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I would say that homo sapiens is unfit for its environment. With all the damage that homo sapiens has done and continues to do to the environment, it is clear that homo sapiens is not a good fit for a clean, green, safe, and healthy environment.
 
AlNg said:
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Techno2000:
What organism right now is unfit for it’s environment ?
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I would say that homo sapiens is unfit for its environment. With all the damage that homo sapiens has done and continues to do to the environment, it is clear that homo sapiens is not a good fit for a clean, green, safe, and healthy environment.
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You may be right , but is evolution going to start producing fit offspring remedy the situation?
 
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