Relativism and skepticism are logical suicide

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Are there any plants or animals right now that are unfit for their environment ?
You could probably start with the endangered species list. Those are just the ones we find useful or cute enough to concern ourselves with but a good number of them are failing to thrive in their current environment, ergo, endangered.
 
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You may be right , but is evolution going to start producing fit offspring remedy the situation?
Unlikely because it already selected for enough intelligence that we adapt our environment to suit us pretty effectively. Until we can’t do that there wouldn’t be a selection pressure for humanity to change. Even then it would take a long time, rapid change is more likely to lead to extinction for many species with a smaller number able to adapt quick enough, or already suited to the new environment enough not to die out.
 
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Are there any plants or animals right now that are unfit for their environment ?
You could probably start with the endangered species list. Those are just the ones we find useful or cute enough to concern ourselves with but a good number of them are failing to thrive in their current environment, ergo, endangered.
Mainly due to the encroachment of man.
 
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Mainly due to the encroachment of man.
Yes, the addition of a new predator or a change to the landscape for any number of reasons (volcano, flood, strip mall) is a change in the environment.
An environment change wouldn’t just affect one organism… it would affect the whole ecosystem that the organism is connected to.
 
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An environment change wouldn’t just affect one organism… it would affect the whole ecosystem that the organism is connected to.
Why do you think humanity moving into an area only affects one organism?
Sorry, I mean environment changes in general…like becoming too cold, hot and dry etc.
 
Sorry, I mean environment changes in general…like becoming too cold, hot and dry etc.
“Too cold” for one animal isn’t necessary too cold for another. They’d all be affected but not equally. Some would likely die, some would likely leave, some would stay and generations later you’d likely find that any traits they had that would help them survive are more pronounced as those with that trait survived more easily. Some might thrive in the cold environment right away.

It’s no different when humanity moves into an area and disrupts things. If we drive the wolves out of an area that changes the balance, an animal that previously might have benefited more from speed to evade the wolves may no longer have that pressure. That animal might be considered more fit for the environment after the change, the wolves were less fit and forced to leave or die.

Either way, endangered species (along with the huge number of species who’ve died out throughout history) are animals not well suited for their current environment.
 
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Sorry, I mean environment changes in general…like becoming too cold, hot and dry etc.
“Too cold” for one animal isn’t necessary too cold for another. They’d all be affected but not equally. Some would likely die, some would likely leave, some would stay and generations later you’d likely find that any traits they had that would help them survive are more pronounced as those with that trait survived more easily. Some might thrive in the cold environment right away.

It’s no different when humanity moves into an area and disrupts things. If we drive the wolves out of an area that changes the balance, an animal that previously might have benefited more from speed to evade the wolves may no longer have that pressure. That animal might be considered more fit for the environment after the change, the wolves were less fit and forced to leave or die.

Either way, endangered species (along with the huge number of species who’ve died out throughout history) are animals not well suited for their current environment.
If the Amazon ecosystem was subjected to a slow cold climate change (as cold Canada )would evolution be able to morph those plants and animals into fit cold tolerant creatures?
 
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Some yes. Some would die. Some would move. Some animals elsewhere might move into the area. It would depend a lot on the animal and the rate of change of the environment.
 
The idea is that occasionally there are mutations…of course there are. Well, if you were the Amazon pup born white normally, you’re the victim of bad luck. If you happen to be the white pup born when the climate starts to turn snowy, maybe it’s a wash. When the snow is common, well, you and your descendants got the right lottery ticket!
That’s the theory. Obviously, when the environment changes quickly, mostly what happens is that organism that aren’t picky live and those that need narrow conditions die. When conditions are stable for a long time, then more and more specialized organisms can find a niche.
Mostly, though, random mutations aren’t likely to be advantageous. It is really like getting a winning lottery ticket. That’s the theory.
 
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It’s statistics not absolutes. The ones that already have some kind of adaptability would be the most likely. Ones with cold climate ancestors after that. Ones that can survive long enough for mutations to emerge after that.
 
Yes and we occasionally see fairly remarkable mutations. If there are people around to preserve them, then you see how fast variability within a species can arise in the case of domestic dogs (most of which would die without human husbandry as support).
What I am not aware of ever being observed is a population with one number of chromosomes coming from a parent population with a different number of chromosomes. That kind of mutation usually causes sterility because only one member of a species mutates RANDOMLY at a time.
Maybe there is a mechanism for NON-RANDOM mutations, such that many individuals in the same population would have the same mutation. As far as I know, that kind of mechanism isn’t known.
 
If you’re a fox, you don’t need the rabbits to be white.
Few things will mutate much in a short time frame. That’s why fast environmental changes are devastating. Random mutations that aren’t fatal don’t happen that often.
As I noted, though, it isn’t even known how mutations that cause changes that normally lead to sterility would work: I mean a change in the number of landscape of the chromosomes. I’m not aware that any mechanism for that has been seriously proposed let alone observed. It is just assumed it must happen. I find that to be a pretty big missing chapter in the story!!
 
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Probably the adaptive ones live, everything else dies, and then diversity later arises from those few surviving populations.
The estimate is that the planet as a whole has only been through five major extinctions. With local extinctions, organisms can migrate in from places that didn’t go through an extinction.
In other words, if the climate just shifts, things that evolved in territories with climates like the new one migrate in and take over.
The short answer: if our climate is changing as fast as believed, we’ll only live to see a lot of extinctions and few or no new species.
 
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The short answer: if our climate is changing as fast as believed, we’ll only live to see a lot of extinctions and few or no new species.
My problem is that macroevolution supposedly takes millions of years for anything to evolve. How can that benefit an organism when it has to be fit at the same time the environmental change comes along?
 
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Evolution is like the NFL. There are lots more losers than winners.

Still, you only have to be fit enough to have grandchildren that go on to be grandchildren and so on. You don’t have to be the most elegantly suited creature imaginable for the environment you’re in. The theory of evolution is that eventually the family that is most suited will survive and families that aren’t so suited will die out eventually. That’s true when an environment is stable for a long time. When an environment changes quickly, then it can be a matter of being the family that isn’t the most badly suited to the change. (Being a jack of all trades can be a lot better when the economy turns upside down than being a master at a trade that no longer exists.)
 
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