Religion, marriage and the GOP's demographic challenge brought to the fore by 2012 election

[Usige]

You can’t move the ground or the climate or, most importantly, the water.

Sure you can move the water. I understand that the Colorado river used to drain into the Gulf of California. Not it drains into Las Vegas, San Diego and the agricultural areas of southern CA.

 

[UNITE_MY_WILL]

Demographics include those people who want the government (as O’Reilly says) to give them “stuff”: free access across our southern border, ss and medicaid for illegals, government funded abortion and contraceptives, education for the children of illegals and on and on. This country was built on immigration of people from other countries and cultures who came legally and who have contributed mightily to this country. They came to work and to boost themselves and their families into success. That is no longer true.

In trying not to “hurt anyone’s feelings”, we Americans are raising our children to be underachievers, where everyone is given the same trophy, from the ones who put the effort in to do their best, to the ones who just show up and everyone in between. Competition has become a dirty word. This is where the entitlement mentality begins in many cases.

Peace,
T

 

[BroomWagon]

For myself, I’m no expert on immigration, legal or illegal. I think it ought to be a whole lot easier to immigrate than it is. And I tend to agree that without those migrant workers, legal or illegal, those fruit and vegetable farms might simply move to Mexico. How would that help the U.S.?

Good points, Canada has open borders, oh wait. Well, at least we know Mexico allows anyone to enter, oh, wait… well, maybe England.

And Fruit and Vegetable farms would move to Mexico?? Northern Mexico is controlled by the Cartels, 60,000 killed, check borderland beat. Migrant labor has always come across from Mexico, why didn’t these farms move along time ago?? Is this another way to try to make people who stand for values the bad guy? Is this fair if people from Vietnam and Phillpines come to the US and fill out documentation but we waive it for others?? Or are those who want such open immigration the ones who are being discriminatory against others?

 

[BroomWagon]

In trying not to “hurt anyone’s feelings”, we Americans are raising our children to be underachievers, where everyone is given the same trophy, from the ones who put the effort in to do their best, to the ones who just show up and everyone in between. Competition has become a dirty word. This is where the entitlement mentality begins in many cases.

Peace,
T

Really, this is why Universities have long been filled with foreigners who are the top students.

 

[BroomWagon]

The GOP’s demographics really haven’t changed a lot over the last 150 years. Business, upper-middle class whites who are married and conservative, older men, religious, etc. They have never been “friendly” to immigrants or other minorities in terms of getting their votes. The thing that is concerning is that people can’t seem to figure out or they don’t care how secular the Democratic Party is becoming, regardless of whether or not they like the GOP on non-life issues.

Oh the fear mongering goes on…

What’s the heritage of the Democrat party?

There is no reference to the formation of the Ku Klux Klan, which, according to Columbia University historian Eric Foner, became “a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party.” Nor is there reference to University of North Carolina historian Allen Trelease’s description of the Klan as the "terrorist arm of the Democratic Party."

online.wsj.com/article/SB121856786326834083.html

The Democrat party will often play the race card. They still dislike the Catholic Church. Republicans have nothing to be ashamed of.

Per Black Genocide, Reverend Childress’ site, the abortion industry is 5 times likely to kill a black baby than a white baby, in 3 days, more blacks are killed from abortion than every lynched in the old south.

The Republican party may have some trouble but the vote was basically split all the same.

 

[marci]

There is nothing more that could have been done to “reach out” to anyone. It looks like the 47% turned out to be more like 52%.

It’s all over, the people have just figured out how to vote themselves a living. We are now living under the tyranny of the majority

 

[BroomWagon]

The Republican party has reached out to females and minorities lots of times. For example, Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Alan Keyes, Bobby Jindal, etc.

Where do the Democrats have a woman governor? No where, the Republicans have 2, the lady in South Carolina and the Governor Martinez of New Mexico. Where do the Democrats have a Hispanic governor?

It’s really the only way the Democrats have is to accuse others of bigotry.

I like Sean Hannity saying how the Democrat/Obama campaign was tossing really calumny at Romney, the felon statement, the deal about the miners wife who died of cancer. This is just democratic politics.

 

[BroomWagon]

The GOP’s demographics really haven’t changed a lot over the last 150 years. Business, upper-middle class whites who are married and conservative, older men, religious, etc. They have never been “friendly” to immigrants or other minorities in terms of getting their votes. The thing that is concerning is that people can’t seem to figure out or they don’t care how secular the Democratic Party is becoming, regardless of whether or not they like the GOP on non-life issues.

Like Scott Walker and Paul Ryan from Wisconsin?? LOL

 

[BroomWagon]

There is nothing more that could have been done to “reach out” to anyone. It looks like the 47% turned out to be more like 52%.

It’s all over, the people have just figured out how to vote themselves a living. We are now living under the tyranny of the majority

Exactly and a dumbed down America where polls have shown a lot of people don’t even know the name of the vice president.

 

[JimG]

There is nothing more that could have been done to “reach out” to anyone. It looks like the 47% turned out to be more like 52%.

It’s all over, the people have just figured out how to vote themselves a living. We are now living under the tyranny of the majority

Well, it’s all good until the money runs out.

Well, it’s already run out, but the government just keeps borrowing more in order to keep going. At some point, the crash occurs. When that happens the President will be looking for scapegoats. I suspect that he will blame, in no particular order, banks, Wall Street, rich people, the Koch brothers, and the Catholic Church.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Romney got 59% of weekly churchgoers.
Obmama got 56% of those who attend church rarely, and 63% of those who never attend church.

Perhaps the party demographics are breaking between the churchgoers and the non churchgoers.

If the country keeps becoming more secular, Democrats win.
If it becomes more religious, Republicans win.

I do think that the GOP threw away the Latino vote for no good reason. Immigration is a positive, not a negative, for economic growth and demographics.

The the other 39% percent of weekly churchgoers? Who did they vote for?

 

[JimG]

The the other 39% percent of weekly churchgoers? Who did they vote for?

I don’t know. I was watching the demographic results crawl across the bottom of one of the news stations. Interesting. The young went for Obama. The older the demographic, the more they went for Romney. Single women went for Obama, married women for Romney. Women in general went for Obama at a higher rate while men went for Romney at a higher rate. The more religious went for Romney, the less religious went for Obama.

I think the Obama vote was still going possibly for hope and change, although they may be less hopeful than last time around.

The nation seems to have decided that it really wants to be an entitlement society. The question is whether that can continue, or whether, like Greece, the piper will have to be paid. I’m afraid the piper will have to be paid, and soon. When that happens, will we, like Greece, incur civil unrest because of unfulfilled expectations?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I don’t know. I was watching the demographic results crawl across the bottom of one of the news stations. Interesting. The young went for Obama. The older the demographic, the more they went for Romney. Single women went for Obama, married women for Romney. Women in general went for Obama at a higher rate while men went for Romney at a higher rate. The more religious went for Romney, the less religious went for Obama.

I think the Obama vote was still going possibly for hope and change, although they may be less hopeful than last time around.

The nation seems to have decided that it really wants to be an entitlement society. The question is whether that can continue, or whether, like Greece, the piper will have to be paid. I’m afraid the piper will have to be paid, and soon. When that happens, will we, like Greece, incur civil unrest because of unfulfilled expectations?

Actually, more of the religious is correct, as opposed to the more religious.

I know people are disappointed and I could sympathize, if they didn’t post the ‘more righteous than thou’ posts that are flooding these forums in what seems to be an effort to strike back. There is nothing like it in Christ’s teachings. We are to love one another as He loved us, and to love our enemies and do good to them; turn the other cheek, go two miles if a man asked you to go one mile, etc.

To despair because of a man being elected doesn’t exactly show faith and hope in Christ, in my honest opinion.

 

[CMatt25]

Well, Rubio on the ticket might have helped with hispanics (though as a cuban american, I’m not sure how water he carries with mexican americans).

I give Latinos more credit than that. Policy and tone matter more than a VP pick’s last name or whether their skin is a bit browner. The GOP has a policy and tone problem on any number of issues. I couldn’t help but chuckle today when I heard some extreme conservatives claim the GOP needs to be less moderate and needs to nominate “true” conservatives. Gov Romney was a self described “severe conservative”. And Tea Party Senate primary challenges have hurt them in some Senate races in the general. Tea Party favorite Allen West even switched to what was thought to be a more favorable district for his chances to be reelected and even he lost. But if they want to nominate more severely conservative candidates in Presidential yrs, fine with me. I’m fine with them losing every 4 yrs.

 

[JimG]

Actually, more of the religious is correct, as opposed to the more religious.

I know people are disappointed and I could sympathize, if they didn’t post the ‘more righteous than thou’ posts that are flooding these forums in what seems to be an effort to strike back. There is nothing like it in Christ’s teachings. We are to love one another as He loved us, and to love our enemies and do good to them; turn the other cheek, go two miles if a man asked you to go one mile, etc.

To despair because of a man being elected doesn’t exactly show faith and hope in Christ, in my honest opinion.

Well, I won’t despair. I’m too old for despair! But I do feel sorry for the next generation of Catholics who I anticipate will continue to be oppressed by the U.S. government, something which I never in my lifetime would have anticipated.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Oh the fear mongering goes on…

What’s the heritage of the Democrat party?

online.wsj.com/article/SB121856786326834083.html

The Democrat party will often play the race card. They still dislike the Catholic Church. Republicans have nothing to be ashamed of.

Per Black Genocide, Reverend Childress’ site, the abortion industry is 5 times likely to kill a black baby than a white baby, in 3 days, more blacks are killed from abortion than every lynched in the old south.

The Republican party may have some trouble but the vote was basically split all the same.

What? Fear mongering? I was just trying to explain why Republicans lose votes. Basically if Republicans were softer on immigration they would’ve won the election. Unfortunately that didn’t happen. I also am biased towards the GOP because of their stance on life issues. And it’s also not like Republicans don’t have a history of being anti-Catholic either…

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Like Scott Walker and Paul Ryan from Wisconsin?? LOL

Yeah, basically. Ryan is really good, Walker is pretty good.

 

[BroomWagon]

What? Fear mongering? I was just trying to explain why Republicans lose votes. Basically if Republicans were softer on immigration they would’ve won the election. Unfortunately that didn’t happen. I also am biased towards the GOP because of their stance on life issues. And it’s also not like Republicans don’t have a history of being anti-Catholic either…

Immigration is a question alright, and yet, I’m not sure if granting amnesty to millions who have entered the country illegally is morally right as well. Certainly, the Democrats can score points by wanting open borders but there are few countries in the world that would have such lenient policies, Mexico probably not and with the warring cartels of Mexico, I think Arizona has a right to defend her borders for that reason and others, even if it is an unpopular decision. If the US Federal Government doesn’t, States with borders should have that right.

Yes, to this you could ask if that Arizona law was racial profiling. I’m not sure if it was.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Immigration is a question alright, and yet, I’m not sure if granting amnesty to millions who have entered the country illegally is morally right as well. Certainly, the Democrats can score points by wanting open borders but there are few countries in the world that would have such lenient policies, Mexico probably not and with the warring cartels of Mexico, I think Arizona has a right to defend her borders for that reason and others, even if it is an unpopular decision. If the US Federal Government doesn’t, States with borders should have that right.

Yes, to this you could ask if that Arizona law was racial profiling. I’m not sure if it was.

Our immigration system is flawed. I’m not an expert by any means, but my understanding is that it is pretty hard to become a citizen. And as you said, there are the warring cartel of Mexico. I don’t think it is morally ok to keep Mexicans who want to give their families a better life out of the country, because of our cumbersome path to citizenship. Not to mention there have been bishops who have spoken out against being tough on immigration, especially when most Hispanics are Catholic.

 

[BroomWagon]

Our immigration system is flawed. I’m not an expert by any means, but my understanding is that it is pretty hard to become a citizen. And as you said, there are the warring cartel of Mexico. I don’t think it is morally ok to keep Mexicans who want to give their families a better life out of the country, because of our cumbersome path to citizenship. Not to mention there have been bishops who have spoken out against being tough on immigration, especially when most Hispanics are Catholic.

So if Mexico is a country of 100,000,000, 100 million, it would be okay to allow all of them to come to the USA, population around 280-300 million??

And so to be moral, we shouldn’t discriminate against any people who would want to come here but Mexico is right next door.

We should then send out that welcome mat to all parts of Asia and Africa and Europe and any other continent perhaps. At the least, we should make immigration as easy as for any person from Mexico and Latin America.