Religion, marriage and the GOP's demographic challenge brought to the fore by 2012 election

[CMatt25]

What? Fear mongering? I was just trying to explain why Republicans lose votes.

That’s what people are doing post election. Trying to explain why Republicans lost. I don’t know if they don’t agree with someone’s ideas if that’s fear mongering to them. But all anyone can do is offer ideas and then let the party work out how they proceed from here.

 

[BroomWagon]

Admittedly, a lot of the immigrants who cross our Southern border are hard workers.

Davis and Emmer, one of those two said on their morning show we should have a building, a tent at the border, sounds a bit like the old Ellis Island.

They said something like if you are from Mexico, Latin America or anywhere else crossing at that point, you go to that building, you apply for citizenship and you take the tests right there. And you can become a citizen right there or at least apply, something along those lines.

Maybe… but it does make one wonder how many might take advantage of that. Is there a limit as to number?

We could probably have a more streamlined system with the “green” work cards.

 

[ishii]

I said from the beginning that Rubio should have been Romney’s VP, things might have been very different today. However, for Rubio this might be the best thing, he has a clear path to 2016 that isn’t tied to a losing candidate.

Rubio/Jindal 2016

 

[oldcatholicguy]

The GOP’s demographics really haven’t changed a lot over the last 150 years. Business, upper-middle class whites who are married and conservative, older men, religious, etc. They have never been “friendly” to immigrants or other minorities in terms of getting their votes. The thing that is concerning is that people can’t seem to figure out or they don’t care how secular the Democratic Party is becoming, regardless of whether or not they like the GOP on non-life issues.

You need to review American political history and revise your statement. 23 African Americans were elected to Congress on the Republican ticket (starting in 1870) before the first African American was elected to Congress on the Democratic ticket (1935). The demographics have changed a lot more recently than 150 years ago.

 

[ishii]

The GOP’s demographics really haven’t changed a lot over the last 150 years. Business, upper-middle class whites who are married and conservative, older men, religious, etc. They have never been “friendly” to immigrants or other minorities in terms of getting their votes. The thing that is concerning is that people can’t seem to figure out or they don’t care how secular the Democratic Party is becoming, regardless of whether or not they like the GOP on non-life issues.

I wouldn’t say that the GOP has never been friendly to immigrants - Reagan signed an immigration bill into law that granted amnesty to 3 million illegals. The whole anti-illegal immigration issue has only recently become a big issue for many conservatives who see the large influx of new illegal immigrants as putting too much stress on our infrastructure. Historically conservatives valued the contribution of immigrants who work hard so that the next generations can be successful and contribute to the country. What we are witnessing now is the conflict between wanting to be compassionate to illegal immigrants seeking to improve their lives, and being a sovereign nation of laws. I believe that we need to do something to allow illegals who have been living here for years have a path to citizenship - there is no way to deport them all. However, if you are illegal and committ a crime - sayonara. And we need to beef up our borders so we can stop the flow of new illegal immigration. So there is really two immigration issues: 1) how deal with those who have been living here x number of years. 2) how to prevent new illegals from entering. I think a Marco Rubio or Bobby Jindal could come up with a reform plan that makes sense and appeals to Latinos. I am not convinced that all legal Latinos and Mexican-Americans want unrestricted illegal immigration.

Ishii

 

[Seeker1961]

I wouldn’t say that the GOP has never been friendly to immigrants - Reagan signed an immigration bill into law that granted amnesty to 3 million illegals. The whole anti-illegal immigration issue has only recently become a big issue for many conservatives who see the large influx of new illegal immigrants as putting too much stress on our infrastructure. Historically conservatives valued the contribution of immigrants who work hard so that the next generations can be successful and contribute to the country. What we are witnessing now is the conflict between wanting to be compassionate to illegal immigrants seeking to improve their lives, and being a sovereign nation of laws. I believe that we need to do something to allow illegals who have been living here for years have a path to citizenship - there is no way to deport them all. However, if you are illegal and committ a crime - sayonara. And we need to beef up our borders so we can stop the flow of new illegal immigration. So there is really two immigration issues: 1) how deal with those who have been living here x number of years. 2) how to prevent new illegals from entering. I think a Marco Rubio or Bobby Jindal could come up with a reform plan that makes sense and appeals to Latinos. I am not convinced that all legal Latinos and Mexican-Americans want unrestricted illegal immigration.

Ishii

The problem is that the party of Ronald Reagan hasn’t been around much in the last few years. Reagan was a conservative, AND he was pragmatic. He knew when to compromise, he knew when to hold fast to positions. The enemy was the Soviet Union, not Americans from another religion or political party. He knew that this country needs the passion and drive of immigrants who come here for a better life. He knew that sometimes you have to raise taxes to keep the country solvent, you can’t make pledges to never, ever, ever raise them no matter what.

I know quite a few people who voted for Reagan who voted for Obama last night, I know some who haven’t entered a ballot box for 8 years. To paraphrase the Man himself: They didn’t leave the GOP, the GOP they knew left them. Bring that GOP back, and they’ll come running to the voting booth.

 

[mary_bobo]

I give Latinos more credit than that. Policy and tone matter more than a VP pick’s last name or whether their skin is a bit browner. The GOP has a policy and tone problem on any number of issues. I couldn’t help but chuckle today when I heard some extreme conservatives claim the GOP needs to be less moderate and needs to nominate “true” conservatives. Gov Romney was a self described “severe conservative”. And Tea Party Senate primary challenges have hurt them in some Senate races in the general. Tea Party favorite Allen West even switched to what was thought to be a more favorable district for his chances to be reelected and even he lost. But if they want to nominate more severely conservative candidates in Presidential yrs, fine with me. I’m fine with them losing every 4 yrs.

Are you sure Alan West switched? Were not districts changed in light of the census?

 

[_Abyssinia]

I wouldn’t say that the GOP has never been friendly to immigrants - Reagan signed an immigration bill into law that granted amnesty to 3 million illegals. The whole anti-illegal immigration issue has only recently become a big issue for many conservatives who see the large influx of new illegal immigrants as putting too much stress on our infrastructure. Historically conservatives valued the contribution of immigrants who work hard so that the next generations can be successful and contribute to the country. What we are witnessing now is the conflict between wanting to be compassionate to illegal immigrants seeking to improve their lives, and being a sovereign nation of laws. I believe that we need to do something to allow illegals who have been living here for years have a path to citizenship - there is no way to deport them all. However, if you are illegal and committ a crime - sayonara. And we need to beef up our borders so we can stop the flow of new illegal immigration. So there is really two immigration issues: 1) how deal with those who have been living here x number of years. 2) how to prevent new illegals from entering. I think a Marco Rubio or Bobby Jindal could come up with a reform plan that makes sense and appeals to Latinos. I am not convinced that all legal Latinos and Mexican-Americans want unrestricted illegal immigration.

Ishii

news.investors.com/article/609306/201204261617/arizona-immigration-law-divides-latino-voters.htm?p=full

Almost as many Latinos support Arizona’s law, 47%, as oppose it, 49%, according to a recent Quinnipiac poll. Asked if they thought the Supreme Court should toss the law, Latinos favored keeping it, 45%-43%. For all Americans, the numbers are 62%-27% in favor of keeping it.

An October 2010 study by Pew found that just 29% of Latinos said illegal immigrants’ impact was positive vs. 31% who said the impact was negative. Another 30% saw no impact.

Among native-born Hispanics, 36% said illegal immigration had had a negative effect, while only 24% said it was positive.

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A narrow plurality of all Latinos, 48%-46%, back increased border patrols. A majority, 58%, favors a national identity card.

 

[_Abyssinia]

thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/07/is-demography-destiny.html

Is Demography Destiny?

 

[_Abyssinia]

pewsocialtrends.org/2012/11/07/a-milestone-en-route-to-a-majority-minority-nation

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2012/11/11-07-12-Population-Projections-01.png

Analysis: Romney Done in by GOP’s Latino Problem

Republicans need to make a concerted effort to reach out and not just in election years. Conservative Hispanic and Black groups should receive more funding

Newt Gingrich, the Republican former House speaker and 2012 presidential contender, says his party faces a big “institutional challenge” in figuring out how to connect with minority voters who make up an ever-bigger part of the electorate and the country’s social fabric

The Republican Party “simply has to learn” to appear more inclusive to minorities, particularly Hispanics, Mr. Gingrich says. “There is the objective reality that if ethnic minorities voted their economic interest, we would have a 65% Republican majority” nationally, he added

 

[PaulinVA]

Well, most people become more conservative when they get older. Are these younger Obama voters going to be the future of the Republican party as they age?

It seems that the Latino vote is crucial. The problem is that the Republican party is one of individual achievement. Latinos, researchers tell us, are more culturally oriented. They aren’t assimilating into American culture. They are retaining their own and looking to success as a group thing. Definitely hard for Republicans to connect.

 

[BroomWagon]

Many would have it that abortion is doing in the American population, whites and blacks and of course others too.

The Black Genocide website claims abortion has probably cut down on America’s African American population by 1/4.

Though in the short run, one can say Republicans are hurt on this, in the long term, Democrats can suffer on this as well.

Hispanics became the largest minority over African Americans.

The demographics of our country could become one with percentages of a large Hispanic one day, perhaps even the majority. Then, the faith would be front and center again.

The downside might be that many Latin American countries, most, seem to have problems especially economically. We might see the same thing here.

 

[BroomWagon]

Well, most people become more conservative when they get older. Are these younger Obama voters going to be the future of the Republican party as they age?

It seems that the Latino vote is crucial. The problem is that the Republican party is one of individual achievement. Latinos, researchers tell us, are more culturally oriented. They aren’t assimilating into American culture. They are retaining their own and looking to success as a group thing. Definitely hard for Republicans to connect.

Still, there are a number of Hispanic Republicans and there always have been such.

The Republicans were at least the party of the Cubans.

The woman governor of New Mexico, Martinez.

There are no Hispanic elected Democrat governors, there are no elected democrat women governors that are women.

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Also, I think one needs to be a little wary in the whole stereotypes.

Women only care about birth control and abortion.

Hispanics ALL want open borders and this is there main concern. I am not sure if this is so. It would not surprise me that many Hispanics don’t just want more and more illegal immigrants here

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I think blacks play a part in the Democrat party but per demographics and we saw it some this year, that party can be totally taken over by the Hispanic population.

If Obama got 71% of the Hispanic vote, it means around 29% may have voted for Romney, Obama got 39% of the white vote. So these percentages work all the way around.

Texas and Gerardo Rivera says this may be on it’s way to becoming a Hispanic state and it is already occurring with California.

Open borders though seems to mean inevitably the USA becomes a Hispanic nation and the Democrats will become the Hispanic party first.

But on the other hand, it could also mean the USA by virtue of this becomes a CATHOLIC nation. That’s a real possibility too.

It could happen it seems to me.

 

[BroomWagon]

Demographics work in all kinds of ways.

Open immigration in the long run assures us that Hispanics will become the vast majority, that whites and blacks will be the minorities.

The black population in the long run is the one that can really decline with this, it could become 10% and less and that was the percent of the African American population in 1960. This long term may be Obama’s legacy, champion of abortion, open borders.

And repeating from above, if we become a Hispanic majority nation, we can also become a Catholic majority nation.

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[BroomWagon]

I know Mexico really well, there Cartel war has killed so many, 60,000 is now the figure being used in about a 6 year span. The war is of such brutality.

We should remember too, the US economy and employment and the Cartels in Northern Mexico has cut down on the flow of immigration in the last few years. There was a massacre of immigrants by the Zetas, one of the Mexican gangs. 60 or more immigrants killed. One wonders about how many massacres have happened because a lot of this might not be reported. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Nuevo_Laredo_massacres

Phoenix has been said to be the kidnapping capital of the US due to its proximity with the border and the crime from that border area, maybe it’s an exaggeration to say this… abc15.com/generic/news/local_news/investigations/Phoenix-Kidnappings%3A-Uncovering-The-Truth

So this is a difficult topic. That war down there though is terrible. There have been wars with more casualties but the viciousness of this war is beyond description. It’s always pained me to see this going on and wonder if there is something the US could do however, the system there has long time been corrupt.

 

[BroomWagon]

pewsocialtrends.org/2012/11/07/a-milestone-en-route-to-a-majority-minority-nation

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2012/11/11-07-12-Population-Projections-01.png

Analysis: Romney Done in by GOP’s Latino Problem

Republicans need to make a concerted effort to reach out and not just in election years. Conservative Hispanic and Black groups should receive more funding

This is what some of Pat Buchanan’s books have been written about. Fascinating reading.

Ultimately, it could mean the Catholic faith becomes the leading overwhelming represented faith here.

All women from all racial groups get abortions but because of reasons of Faith, Hispanic women may get fewer, you combine this religious reasoning with the way abortion is hoisted on those in poorer areas, the legacy of the abortion exponents as this graph shows may well mean some groups are of a lower population, that Hispanics surge to be the biggest minority and ultimately, the majority.

Of course, Univision will show figures like the above and in California, it’s already happened.

 

[jediliz]

And repeating from above, if we become a Hispanic majority nation, we can also become a Catholic majority nation.

that is, if all the hispanics are Catholic…but I know there are some that are not…aren’t there always missionaries being sent to Mexico to convert the people even though they are already Christians for the most part? As long as they were for** traditional family unit and hard work**…I would welcome that… Plus, the only reason we have not fallen below replacement status IS because of the immigrants. As long as they use LEGAL means of coming here, we should welcome them. If they are willing to learn English, we could always use more bilingual citizens.

 

[trapper1]

I give Latinos more credit than that. Policy and tone matter more than a VP pick’s last name or whether their skin is a bit browner. The GOP has a policy and tone problem on any number of issues. I couldn’t help but chuckle today when I heard some extreme conservatives claim the GOP needs to be less moderate and needs to nominate “true” conservatives. Gov Romney was a self described “severe conservative”. And Tea Party Senate primary challenges have hurt them in some Senate races in the general. Tea Party favorite Allen West even switched to what was thought to be a more favorable district for his chances to be reelected and even he lost. But if they want to nominate more severely conservative candidates in Presidential yrs, fine with me. I’m fine with them losing every 4 yrs.

They key phrase above is “self-described.” Conservatives never bought it. I know many that went third party and some that didn’t vote on president for this reason. Why do you think there was a desperate search for an alternative during the primary: First Perry, then Caine, then Gingrich, then Santorum.

A liberal, a moderate, and a conservative walked into a bar. The bartender says “what’ll you have Governor Romney?”

 

[BroomWagon]

that is, if all the hispanics are Catholic……but I know there are some that are not…aren’t there always missionaries being sent to Mexico to convert the people even though they are already Christians for the most part? As long as they were for** traditional family unit and hard work**…I would welcome that… Plus, the only reason we have not fallen below replacement status IS because of the immigrants. As long as they use LEGAL means of coming here, we should welcome them. If they are willing to learn English, we could always use more bilingual citizens.

In fact, Evangelicals HAVE made inroads with the Hispanics, Mexicans and Mexican Americans.

That said, ultimately, I would think Mexico and Mexicans are overwhelmingly of the Catholic faith still, 80, 85% or more and that is one legacy of Spain to Latin America.

Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, watch a soccer game, see how Latin American and Spanish players as they do in baseball too, often bless themselves when they come into a game or go up to bat.

Those nations including the Caribbean nations like Cuba are basically Catholic. The Pope has visited Cuba, the Pope has visited Latin America a number of times in recent decades. And why? Because percentage wise, they are some of the strongest Catholic nations on earth percentage of the population-wise. If I meet a Hispanic, it is an assumption they are Catholic.

Mexico City’s large Plaza and there is the National Cathedral of Mexico.

The movie “For Greater Glory” which we all know was about the Catholic rebellion to the Government cracking down on the faith, all of these countries are predominantly Catholic.

Catholic Missionaries could still go to Mexico because other faiths may try to convert the people and their may be other reasons as well, such as administering and caring for the poor.

I think even some orders have been started in Mexico and the Cristeros have given the church many Martyrs like Father Miguel Pro, Blessed or Saint nowadays.

In 1950, 98.21 percent of Mexicans said they were Catholic, in 1960 the percentage dropped to 96.47 percent, in 1970 to 96.17 percent,** in 1980 to 92.62 percent, in 1990 the percentage dropped to 89.69 percent, in 2000 the country was only 88 percent Catholic, and now that percentage is lower still at 83.9 percent**.

laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=390745&CategoryId=14091

 

[Jerry-Jet]

A majority of Catholics voted for candidates that support the INTRINSIC evil of abortion and an administration that supports the HHS mandate AFTER over and over being warned by out American Catholic bishops about the dire consequences of voting like that.

Prayers and Novenas were said all year long about the issue.

Now I don’t know if the majority of Catholic voters committed mortal sin or not–that is for God to decide–what I do know is that the devil was happy with the way they voted.

Wak up catholic america! As long as you keep voting for candidates that support the INTRINSIC evil of abortion you will keep having the scourage of abortion and the deaths of all the unborn crying out for justice.

Do you think the Lord will just remain deaf to those cries forever?!

God executed punishment for Israel for sin.

Does God still do that with nations nowadays or does he just permit them to do anything they want with no consequences?