Repeal ObamaCare!

[pathia]

No one in this country (including those here illegally) have been denied healthcare. I’m not saying reform wasn’t necessary, just not this one which was clearly a powergrab. The current bill, which will provide services this Catholic deems immoral, was passed by a secular State, not because they desire the best for Americans, but solely on a socialist party ideology with further control of the wealth of its people. Even the way this bill was passed was a gross, arrogant and many believe, unconstituitonal Federal attempt at further diminishing the law of the land.

No one is denied EMERGENCY care. Big, big, BIG difference. People with chronic conditions can and are completely dumped from the system once their insurance lapses for more than a month for any reason. I’m currently on month TEN of waiting for an MRI for my pituitary tumors. By the time I get it, I don’t even know if the doctor who wanted it will be at the free clinic anymore. Right now all they do is turn me around and send me out the door with a bag full of vicodin. That’s not ‘healthcare’.

 

[Tigg]

I find it hard to engage my brain when I have to constantly take opiates the moment I wake up just to be able to walk around. You’re telling me to do things I haven’t been capable of for years. I used to be able to type over a hundred words a minute, I’m down to about twenty. People always tell me I’m going to be fed a ‘pain pill’. Heck, that’s what they do now, all they can do for me is give me a bunch of cheap opiates and tell me to go home and rest.

All I want to do is stop hurting
All I want to feel is OK. Not even ‘good’. Just ‘OK’.
I don’t remember what these things are, it’s been so very long.

Many suffer ill health, terrible pain and terminal illness. JP II wrote about the tremendous role the sick play in the salvation plan of mankind. Poor in one sense, you may be, but please don’t minimize the tremendous wellspring of truth, hope and faith the Church might offer you through the sacramental life. Jesus blessed the poor and they had a special place in His heart. You CAN be rich and feel “ok” in a life abiding closely with the Savior.

 

[Tigg]

No one is denied EMERGENCY care. Big, big, BIG difference. People with chronic conditions can and are completely dumped from the system once their insurance lapses for more than a month for any reason. I’m currently on month TEN of waiting for an MRI for my pituitary tumors. By the time I get it, I don’t even know if the doctor who wanted it will be at the free clinic anymore. Right now all they do is turn me around and send me out the door with a bag full of vicodin. That’s not ‘healthcare’.

Well, documented reports show many hospitals are becoming bankrupt by indigent dialysis patients (which is long-term care,) pregnancy and other chronic conditions. I personally know of a heart patient, here illegally, who incurred $600,00 of medical expense after a one month’s stay in our local hospital. I do understand what you are saying, but don’t be fooled into believing that this new plan will change your plight. If some predictions from doctors come true, we’ll all be sent out the door with a bag of vicodin.

 

[pathia]

Well, documented reports show many hospitals are becoming bankrupt by indigent dialysis patients (which is long-term care,) pregnancy and other chronic conditions. I personally know of a heart patient, here illegally, who incurred $600,00 of medical expense after a one month’s stay in our local hospital. I do understand what you are saying, but don’t be fooled into believing that this new plan will change your plight. If some predictions from doctors come true, we’ll all be sent out the door with a bag of vicodin.

Yes, like me. I’ve walked away from $600,000+ worth of medical debt. Why? Because it’s roughly 35 YEARS of my take home pay after taxes, with every penny to go to it and that’s not counting interest. What exactly are you supposed to do in that situation?

 

[CPA2]

Last week when Congress rammed Obamacare through to passage and the president signed the legislation into law, liberals boldly proved that they haven’t been listening to the American people. In the face of tremendous public outrage and bipartisan opposition, the president and liberal politicians in Congress violated the Constitution and ignored the will of American people. This government takeover of health care must be repealed, and at the first chance I had, I filed a bill in the U.S. Senate to do just that.

This newly-signed law is packed full of policies the American people overwhelmingly and loudly rejected. We know it will add to our already enormous national deficit, increase the burden on American families by enacting job-killing taxes and put the government between patients and their doctors. This bill’s mandates are unconstitutional, and the process by which it was passed disrespects not only the will of the public, but also our legislative process. Worst of all, this bill insults and disregards the traditions that have made our country great - limited government, personal responsibility and individual freedom.

We must reform health care in a way that honors those values. Obamacare clearly does not do that, and that’s why I called for a repeal of this legislation at the first chance I had. We must listen to the American people and start over with smaller, targeted bills that offer real solutions and reduce costs, like allowing individuals to buy insurance across state lines at the most competitive price, providing coverage regardless of pre-existing conditions, and putting the patient in charge of their own health care. And we should do it without raising taxes or placing penalties on individuals or small businesses.

To that end, last week I introduced two common-sense solutions that would reform health care without compromising Americans’ freedom to make their own health care choices. I offered an amendment that would put affordable drugs within the reach of ordinary Americans by allowing the reimportation of cheaper prescription medicines. And I also offered legislation that would expand access to mobile mammography services, giving thousands more women a fighting chance to combat breast cancer through early detection. This is a reform that actually brings health care to folks without a sweeping government takeover.

I remain committed to reforming health care with measures like these that truly fix the system through clear and concise solutions without threatening our nation’s prosperity and freedom. The American people won’t stand for this government takeover of health care, and I will do everything in my power to repeal it and reverse the damage.

Sincerely,

David Vitter
U.S. Senator

 

[diligio]

Furthermore, the Church teaches those who have been abundantly blessed do have an obligation to the poor, but it should never be something the State should mandate or control.

So charity is something the church can mandate, but not the government?

“No!” you cry, “God has mandated it, not the church”

So the governments laws should not reflect Gods word?

 

[diligio]

Last week when Congress rammed Obamacare through to passage and the president signed the legislation into law, liberals boldly proved that they haven’t been listening to the American people.

You mean the American people who voted those congressmen and president in with a landslide? The American people who gave the Democratic party a mandate to fix health care? There is no “cramming” now anymore than there was cramming when the war on terror was started.

Naturally the losing party won’t get what they want, but they have to remember that they lost because they did not speak to the will of the people. If you think that Americans do not want this bill, then run on repeal.

 

[CPA2]

You mean the American people who voted those congressmen and president in with a landslide? The American people who gave the Democratic party a mandate to fix health care? There is no “cramming” now anymore than there was cramming when the war on terror was started.

Naturally the losing party won’t get what they want, but they have to remember that they lost because they did not speak to the will of the people. If you think that Americans do not want this bill, then run on repeal.

Obama promised us change. I said at the time that the only change that I will see will be the change that is left in my pocket.

Government is a parasite. Government takes wealth. Government has never created a penny of wealth.

Government could not run a hot dog stand and make a profit. Bottom line: Government is incompetent!

 

[rtconstant]

Obama promised us change. I said at the time that the only change that I will see will be the change that is left in my pocket.

Government is a parasite. Government takes wealth. Government has never created a penny of wealth.

Government could not run a hot dog stand and make a profit. Bottom line: Government is incompetent!

And yet is the only institution that has protected us from social ills ranging from slavery, child labor, worker protections against loss of job for sickness. It has also mandated a minimum wage. It was government that broke up monopolies, and protected the average citizens and farmers during the depression and dustbowl. When GM workers went on strike and were being attacked by GM execs and their hired thugs, it was the government that called in the army to stand between the common man and his employers.

It’s the government that gives us roads, schools, libraries, post office and a military. I realize you will want to disparage most of those things, but even though disdain may be there you still benefit from those things, as do we all.

You can degraded the government all you want and pretend that everything about it is bad, but while our government certainly has flaws, it is moral marvel when compared to the corporate plutocracy that would be in charge without it. Whenever the corporate sector is left alone it creates no end of evil. In addition the thing that made the US someplace special is our government. The government is accountable to me every few years. Individuals in the private sector are not, in fact most of us are accountable to someone in the private sector. So yeah, I actually appreciate the fact that there is someone more powerful than my boss, that I can fire.

 

[exoflare]

Repeal Obamacare? Sure, I’m all for it… let’s hear your plan. I hope it’s something more constructive than fruitless debates with naive leftists on the internet though.

 

[exoflare]

I agree with you, but I don’t think it wil be repealed. It’s here to stay.

There may be a VERY small window of opportunity in the very near future if enough Obots can be voted out in this next election and the one after that. Otherwise I agree with you; once this law fully takes effect it’s just one more instance where the disease of entitlement sets in and there is no remedy.

 

[mary_bobo]

You mean the American people who voted those congressmen and president in with a landslide? The American people who gave the Democratic party a mandate to fix health care? There is no “cramming” now anymore than there was cramming when the war on terror was started.

Naturally the losing party won’t get what they want, but they have to remember that they lost because they did not speak to the will of the people. If you think that Americans do not want this bill, then run on repeal.

I don’t think this bunch is speaking to the will of the people. Quite the opposite. And you do remember, that the Congress voted to go to war if necessary, don’t you? Obama ran on change, but he never really said what that change would be and far too many Americans did not do their homework to discover just where his man was coming from. Now we are all paying the price–and we can’t afford it.

 

[CPA2]

And yet is the only institution that has protected us from social ills ranging from slavery, child labor, worker protections against loss of job for sickness. It has also mandated a minimum wage. It was government that broke up monopolies, and protected the average citizens and farmers during the depression and dustbowl. When GM workers went on strike and were being attacked by GM execs and their hired thugs, it was the government that called in the army to stand between the common man and his employers.

It’s the government that gives us roads, schools, libraries, post office and a military. I realize you will want to disparage most of those things, but even though disdain may be there you still benefit from those things, as do we all.

You can degraded the government all you want and pretend that everything about it is bad, but while our government certainly has flaws, it is moral marvel when compared to the corporate plutocracy that would be in charge without it. Whenever the corporate sector is left alone it creates no end of evil. In addition the thing that made the US someplace special is our government. The government is accountable to me every few years. Individuals in the private sector are not, in fact most of us are accountable to someone in the private sector. So yeah, I actually appreciate the fact that there is someone more powerful than my boss, that I can fire.

“Majority rule…is very different from the kind of freedom you have when you shop at the supermarket. When you enter the voting booth once a year, you almost always vote for a package rather than for specific items. If you are in the majority, you will at best get both the items you favored and the ones you opposed but regarded as on balance less important. **Generally, you end up with something different from what you thought you voted for…**When you vote daily in the supermarket, you get precisely what you voted for, and so does everyone else…That is why it is desirable to **use the ballot box, so far as possible, only for those decisions where conformity is essential **(Friedman).”

“The two ideas of human freedom and economic freedom working together came to their greatest fruition in the United States…We have been forgetting the basic truth that the greatest threat to human freedom is the concentration of power, whether in the hands of government or anyone else. We have persuaded ourselves that it is safe to grant power, provided it is for good purposes.”

“We are again recognizing the dangers of an over-governed society, coming to understand that good objectives can be perverted by bad means, that reliance on the freedom of people to control their own lives in accordance with their own values is the surest way to achieve the full potential of a great society.”

When you have a monopoly, prices go up and service goes down. Monopolies come from the government. The government now has a monopoly with Obama Care. This problem with high health care costs started with government intrusion into health care. Now the government wants to “solve” the problem that government created! The government is an incompetent administrator.

It sounds like you are saying that big business is bad and big government is good? I am saying that both are bad. Have you ever considered that there is a revolving door between big business and big government? How can you condemn one without condemning the other? For example, one of our senators is now working as a lobbyist for a large corporation!

References

Friedman, M., & Friedman, R. D. (1990). Free to Choose. New York: Harcourt, Inc.

 

[diligio]

We are again recognizing the dangers of an over-governed society, coming to understand that good objectives can be perverted by bad means, that reliance on the freedom of people to control their own lives in accordance with their own values is the surest way to achieve the full potential of a great society.

You could just move to a less governed society, the government here hasn’t controlled your ability to do that yet.

 

[rtconstant]

When you have a monopoly, prices go up and service goes down. Monopolies come from the government. The government now has a monopoly with Obama Care. This problem with high health care costs started with government intrusion into health care. Now the government wants to “solve” the problem that government created! The government is an incompetent administrator.

You need to read the legislation. Insurance companies are still the owners, and in the end will still be the biggest recipients of health dollars. The government only created the problem in as much as they listened to the money of the insurance companies. Many seem to lose track of source of the problem. Also it sounds really jarring to say that the government “intruded” into health care, but the reality is that all they did was make insurance companies do what they should have been doing all along. The real irony is that the insurance companies will in the end benefit from this “intrusion.”

It sounds like you are saying that big business is bad and big government is good? I am saying that both are bad. Have you ever considered that there is a revolving door between big business and big government? How can you condemn one without condemning the other? For example, one of our senators is now working as a lobbyist for a large corporation!

No, I’m saying that we have more power over the government than we do over our employers. While economic neo-conservatives like throwing out terms that suggest they’re in it for “the little guy” all of the policies they support ultimately only benefit one group: big business. Since most of the ills that hit our country originate from big business getting ahead of itself, I think they need to be watched constantly. Yes often in the end the government is the one that’s turning big business’ greed into policy, but they do so because at the influence of big business. Government needs to have the defacto upper hand on our corporate sector, because if they don’t we’re heading to serfdom. However, as long as deregulation remains the calling card of neo-conservitism we will continue to have these problems.

Consumers go where the prices are cheap, the prices are cheap only at the biggest chains, of the biggest companies who can produce products in massive bulk. The biggest companies can write the biggest cheques which means they get the most policy. Which means they get the most freedoms. Which means they can pay their employees less, which means consumers have less to spend. Which means consumers go where the prices are cheap.

The first regulations, that need to be put in place is in campaign reform, and restrictions on lobbyists. Then when the government knows its not beholden to big business at an individual level anymore, it can begin the work of regulating the daylights out big business. Which in the end, again, will only benefit companies. The US corporate sector was at its best when it was at its most regulated. At the very least I think we need to work towards that point again, and then we can look at where we want to go in the future.

 

[CPA2]

You need to read the legislation. Insurance companies are still the owners, and in the end will still be the biggest recipients of health dollars. The government only created the problem in as much as they listened to the money of the insurance companies. Many seem to lose track of source of the problem. Also it sounds really jarring to say that the government “intruded” into health care, but the reality is that all they did was make insurance companies do what they should have been doing all along. The real irony is that the insurance companies will in the end benefit from this “intrusion.”

No, I’m saying that we have more power over the government than we do over our employers. While economic neo-conservatives like throwing out terms that suggest they’re in it for “the little guy” all of the policies they support ultimately only benefit one group: big business. Since most of the ills that hit our country originate from big business getting ahead of itself, I think they need to be watched constantly. Yes often in the end the government is the one that’s turning big business’ greed into policy, but they do so because at the influence of big business. Government needs to have the defacto upper hand on our corporate sector, because if they don’t we’re heading to serfdom. However, as long as deregulation remains the calling card of neo-conservitism we will continue to have these problems.

Consumers go where the prices are cheap, the prices are cheap only at the biggest chains, of the biggest companies who can produce products in massive bulk. The biggest companies can write the biggest cheques which means they get the most policy. Which means they get the most freedoms. Which means they can pay their employees less, which means consumers have less to spend. Which means consumers go where the prices are cheap.

The first regulations, that need to be put in place is in campaign reform, and restrictions on lobbyists. Then when the government knows its not beholden to big business at an individual level anymore, it can begin the work of regulating the daylights out big business. Which in the end, again, will only benefit companies. The US corporate sector was at its best when it was at its most regulated. At the very least I think we need to work towards that point again, and then we can look at where we want to go in the future.

What power do we have over government? We never get what we want.

We get exactly what we want from business because we vote with our dollars everyday.

 

[Tigg]

So the governments laws should not reflect Gods word?

There was a time in the early days of this Republic when God-fearing men believed in limited government and relied upon their Lord to help legislate laws which honored the freedom that was won from an oppresive State. John Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

I truly am puzzled by your post given the way our Constitution has been destroyed since even before and during the days of Bush. You would trust this level of power and greed and corruption to do good for its citizens? Remember, we have been told by our highest level of office that we are no longer a “Christian nation,” and further one only needs to look at the track record of this majority Congress to realize they honor nothing good and holy and true as taught by Christ’s Church. They would even take away our right to resist that which we oppose out of good conscience and use our tax dollars to kill the unborn.

The State, totally void of any human compassion or recognition of our God given rights, will, via this healthcare bill and other socialist programs, keep us in a state of dependency. That is exactly where they want us as they erode our free will and civil liberties.

 

[markbrumbaugh]

I think one item left out of this discussion so far, is that the USCCB was strongly in support of the government reforming health care. They started off with the erroneous assumption that health care is a right. Then they found themselves backpeddling as the true result of a bad idea got clearer and clearer.

Now, I found myself in January, in a catholic church (to which I will never again attend) being asked in the Prayers of the Faithful for “Universal Health Care”, and “Immigration Reform”, and was told in the Homily, that if I had health insurance while others did not, I was stealing. When I asked for clarification from the pastor, I was directed to the USCCB and banned from further discussions with the pastor, with the admonitiion that “May God have mercy on your soul”.

Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness are rights. Shelter, Food, Water, Transportation, Health Care are not rights, they are obligations of the individual to provide for themselves by self sufficiency or in our modern times, bartering goods produced by the person and family for goods not produced, but desired. In the event that an individual is truly unable to provide for themselves, God expects Charity from our heart to provide for those less able. This is natural and has worked for mankind since we were created.

Transposing charity to the government by way of confiscating a persons legitimate private property and giving to those who have less, is NOT charity. When the Bishops take the easy way out and tell us to vote for govenment programs the appear to be based on making things more fair, or equally distributed, they should not be surprised that they get a horrible, political and moral mess that is destructive and violates over half of the ten commandments.

I certainly hope this past event will illustrate the folly of taking a position on Social Issues, that involves a government solution. Maybe the USCCB can get back to preaching personal charity to the point, we have no tolerance or need for socialist redistribution of wealth.

P.S. By the way, I sent a letter on this to Cardinal DiNardo after all of my attempts to discuss this issue with the priest were denied. The Cardinal’s assistant intercepted the letter and asked the priest if it was worthy of the Cardinal’s attention, and was told to throw it away. Have the Bishops learned nothing from the sex scandals?

 

[CPA2]

There was a time in the early days of this Republic when God-fearing men believed in limited government and relied upon their Lord to help legislate laws which honored the freedom that was won from an oppresive State. John Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

I truly am puzzled by your post given the way our Constitution has been destroyed since even before and during the days of Bush. You would trust this level of power and greed and corruption to do good for its citizens? Remember, we have been told by our highest level of office that we are no longer a “Christian nation,” and further one only needs to look at the track record of this majority Congress to realize they honor nothing good and holy and true as taught by Christ’s Church. They would even take away our right to resist that which we oppose out of good conscience and use our tax dollars to kill the unborn.

The State, totally void of any human compassion or recognition of our God given rights, will, via this healthcare bill and other socialist programs, keep us in a state of depend
ency. That is exactly where they want us as they erode our free will and civil liberties.

You express my sentiments exactly!

 

[CPA2]

I think one item left out of this discussion so far, is that the USCCB was strongly in support of the government reforming health care. They started off with the erroneous assumption that health care is a right. Then they found themselves backpeddling as the true result of a bad idea got clearer and clearer.

Now, I found myself in January, in a catholic church (to which I will never again attend) being asked in the Prayers of the Faithful for “Universal Health Care”, and “Immigration Reform”, and was told in the Homily, that if I had health insurance while others did not, I was stealing. When I asked for clarification from the pastor, I was directed to the USCCB and banned from further discussions with the pastor, with the admonitiion that “May God have mercy on your soul”.

Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness are rights. Shelter, Food, Water, Transportation, Health Care are not rights, they are obligations of the individual to provide for themselves by self sufficiency or in our modern times, bartering goods produced by the person and family for goods not produced, but desired. In the event that an individual is truly unable to provide for themselves, God expects Charity from our heart to provide for those less able. This is natural and has worked for mankind since we were created.

Transposing charity to the government by way of confiscating a persons legitimate private property and giving to those who have less, is NOT charity. When the Bishops take the easy way out and tell us to vote for govenment programs the appear to be based on making things more fair, or equally distributed, they should not be surprised that they get a horrible, political and moral mess that is destructive and violates over half of the ten commandments.

I certainly hope this past event will illustrate the folly of taking a position on Social Issues, that involves a government solution. Maybe the USCCB can get back to preaching personal charity to the point, we have no tolerance or need for socialist redistribution of wealth.

P.S. By the way, I sent a letter on this to Cardinal DiNardo after all of my attempts to discuss this issue with the priest were denied. The Cardinal’s assistant intercepted the letter and asked the priest if it was worthy of the Cardinal’s attention, and was told to throw it away. Have the Bishops learned nothing from the sex scandals?

Good post! You always get exactly the opposite of what the government promises. It is the other invisible hand at work.