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Funny you understood the dissenting opinion represented a potential decision declaring the entire law unconstitutional.

In a way, CJ Roberts dared the voters to do just that - vote, and in fact commented as such after making the decision which, by the way, actually followed a specific and well established court precident, a hallmark itself of a conservative court. One might ask why the other conservative justices did not see it that way, as well.

So, we should say to ourselves - do the voters have the guts to do what is necessary to repeal this law?
Yeah because apparently the Constitution says explicitly in Article III that the SCOTUS is not to determine the Constitutionality of laws…nope they are there just to ceremonially throw decisions back in the people’s face for them to decide. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah because apparently the Constitution says explicitly in Article III that the SCOTUS is not to determine the Constitutionality of laws…nope they are there just to ceremonially throw decisions back in the people’s face for them to decide. :rolleyes:
Sarcasm aside, that is precisely what the Constitution says. The Supreme Court reviews law, it does not make law. If law is found to be legally objectionable or unconstitutional, it is sent back to the legislature by design. If law is upheld, the legislature can still reverse or amend it. There is a very specific reason why CJ Roberts “sided” as he did, though we can speculate whether that was as politically opportune as “playing” the expected positions of the individual Justices.

While I may have been equally shocked at first by this decision, I have through careful study (and NOT through headlines, sound bites and talking points) come to understand it. Throwing the Supreme Court or any one or number of Justices under the bus doesn’t change the fact that this law was passed, presumably via exercise of the will of the people through their representatives. If we want the law changed or abolished, we first change the people creating the law by exercising our own Constitutional rights.
 
Sarcasm aside, that is precisely what the Constitution says. The Supreme Court reviews law, it does not make law. If law is found to be legally objectionable or unconstitutional, it is sent back to the legislature by design. If law is upheld, the legislature can still reverse or amend it. There is a very specific reason why CJ Roberts “sided” as he did, though we can speculate whether that was as politically opportune as “playing” the expected positions of the individual Justices.

While I may have been equally shocked at first by this decision, I have through careful study (and NOT through headlines, sound bites and talking points) have come to understand it. Throwing the Supreme Court or any one or number of Justices under the bus doesn’t change the fact that this law was passed, presumably via exercise of the will of the people through their representatives. If we want the law changed or abolished, we first change the people by exercising our own Constitutional rights.
Wow if that’s what you believe, then I clearly cannot reach any agreement with you. So let’s just agree to disagree.

Also I’m not throwing Justices under the bus, I’m just pointing out the fallacy in your logic that a moderate Republican is going to save the SCOTUS from moving to the Left. As for your Robert Bork question you kept posing, remember Bork is an advisor…the choice comes down to Romney. But maybe Romney might save the SCOTUS from going Left, but it’s not guaranteed and I’m doubtful.
 
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I’m just pointing out the fallacy in your logic that a moderate Republican is going to save the SCOTUS from moving to the Left.
I commented only on this decision, not on the direction of the Court.

To heed the advice of our good moderator and get this back on track and on topic, Governor Christie hit the nail on the head once again at the Convention this evening. We must start with the truth in all things. I attempted to do so when considering the Supreme Court decision on the health care law. I pray that our governmental leaders can all do so in the exercise of their great responsibility.
 
Thank you. Very interesting and I think a good strategy. I think the country knows the reasons not to vote for Obama but want to see the alternative. What does Romney offer instead?

Christie’s speech made it a very clear choice…do you want this or that…using the Republican approach versus the Democrat approach although I don’t think he identified the two parties. That was probably deliberate.

I heard a while ago that with many former Obama voters with buyer’s remorse the key was NOT to infer they were stupid, wrong or wanted the country to go down in flames. Instead focus on their good intentions and the lack of concrete action in the years subsequent to the Convention. IOW it’s not your fault we have this economic and social disaster looming. You were sold one thing and what you received was completely different.

I understand there is a specific campaign with former Obama voters saying why they are not voting for him this year. The Artur Davis speech tonight seems like the kick off for that campaign. I see him as a real rising star. Wish Allen West were featured as well. Anyone know if he’s slated for a speech during the RNC?

Lisa
 
According to his confidants, Christie spent two weeks preparing for the speech and practiced the final draft at the governor’s summer home in Island Beach State Park, on the Atlantic coast. The speech went through multiple drafts, an adviser says, but, surprisingly, the Romney campaign let Christie write the vast majority of his speech. Christie wanted to keep things personal and highbrow, and Romney’s high command was reportedly comfortable with that.
Telling …
 
Look I’m not going to argue with you. You want to carry water for the GOP and Romney once again be my guest, I’m not going to do it. As for a candidate that wouldn’t disappoint me, for one Rick Santorum, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin would have been great for me.

As for holding the GOP to an unrealistic standard…perhaps you are right. With the GOP moving further to the Left, it’s like dealing with the Democrat Party now…so yeah maybe Conservatives are no longer welcomed in the Establishment inside-the-beltway, power-grabbing, scorched-Earth Republican Party.

Once again you want to carry water for Romney and the GOP…I have no problem with it, just don’t chastise me for not doing the same.
You have no answer to the question, “Do you think Robert Bork will advise Romney to pick liberal justices?” You have not answered that question. And the answer is no. The GOP doesn’t welcome conservatives? Beltway establishment?? Well. Have you ever heard of Paul Ryan? Chris Christie? Bobby Jindal ? Marco Rubio? Nikki Haley? Scott Walker? Are they inside the beltway establishment folks? Ted Cruz? Is he part of the establishment? The majority of the leaders and future leaders are from the outside, are conservative and very bright, and the opposite of what you are describing. They are a big part of the GOP. The GOP has an establishment, but there are many bright leaders who are not a part of that establishment or are changing the establishment. They are the reason to be hopeful - and have a guarded optimism - as opposed to a hardened cynicism.

Ishii
 
Wow if that’s what you believe, then I clearly cannot reach any agreement with you. So let’s just agree to disagree.

Also I’m not throwing Justices under the bus, I’m just pointing out the fallacy in your logic that a moderate Republican is going to save the SCOTUS from moving to the Left. As for your Robert Bork question you kept posing, remember Bork is an advisor…the choice comes down to Romney. But maybe Romney might save the SCOTUS from going Left, but it’s not guaranteed and I’m doubtful.
If Romney wants to nominate more David Souters, then why did he appoint Robert Bork as advisor? What you’re saying doesn’t make sense.

Ishii
 
You have no answer to the question, “Do you think Robert Bork will advise Romney to pick liberal justices?” You have not answered that question. And the answer is no. The GOP doesn’t welcome conservatives? Beltway establishment?? Well. Have you ever heard of Paul Ryan? Chris Christie? Bobby Jindal ? Marco Rubio? Nikki Haley? Scott Walker? Are they inside the beltway establishment folks? Ted Cruz? Is he part of the establishment? The majority of the leaders and future leaders are from the outside, are conservative and very bright, and the opposite of what you are describing. They are a big part of the GOP. The GOP has an establishment, but there are many bright leaders who are not a part of that establishment or are changing the establishment. They are the reason to be hopeful - and have a guarded optimism - as opposed to a hardened cynicism.

Ishii
If Romney wants to nominate more David Souters, then why did he appoint Robert Bork as advisor? What you’re saying doesn’t make sense.

Ishii
I’m not going to go any further on this since apparently you can’t accept the fact that some of us Conservatives are not happy with the GOP and the power grab that happened today.

Once again you want to carry water for the GOP and Romney…ONCE AGAIN be my guest. Just don’t expect me to do the same.
 
Once again you want to carry water for the GOP and Romney…ONCE AGAIN be my guest. Just don’t expect me to do the same.
Ah, but that’s the nature of human sheep. Everyone else must go along too to make them feel secure.
 
Ah, but that’s the nature of human sheep. Everyone else must go along too to make them feel secure.
Your pride unbalances you. Many of us are making an informed vote, so to call us sheep shows how superior you think your own opinion is.
 
Hey guys.

Who is ahead in the election polls? I am trying to keep up with the race.
 
Hey guys.

Who is ahead in the election polls? I am trying to keep up with the race.
Nationwide polls tend to be rather close. I’ve seen some with the President having a lead though. The RNC might give Romney a bump but then the DNC might give Obama a bump next wk. The election isn’t a nationwide vote though. It’s all about the state by state Electoral College map. Most of the analysis of it that I’ve seen gives the President an edge right now. There are no more than 2 handfuls of swing states that will decide. Analysis I’ve seen suggests if Romney does not win Florida it’s an uphill battle and he definitely would appear to need Ohio.
 
I’m not going to go any further on this since apparently you can’t accept the fact that some of us Conservatives are not happy with the GOP and the power grab that happened today.

Once again you want to carry water for the GOP and Romney…ONCE AGAIN be my guest. Just don’t expect me to do the same.
what power grab happened today? did i miss something?
 
Rick Santorum speaks from the heart. It was a beautiful speech, particularly when he talked about his daughter, Bella, and also his father. He hardly said much about Romney, however, and neither did any of the other speakers, including Chris Christie, the keynote speaker. Mention of Romney came across as almost an afterthought or a fill-in-the-blank, by-the-way, generic candidate. The only other speech that was, not surprisingly, both sincere and effective, was that of Ann Romney. She is Mitt Romney’s greatest political asset.
yes, i thought Rick Santorum gave a wonderful speech. he was my pick in the primaries, but maybe it was not his time yet. i am very content with Mitt Romney for president now.
i like Paul Ryan as his VP too.
i think most of the speakers were trying to show what the republican party stands for and their principles. we all knew that Mitt Romney had won the nomination and i think the speeches will get stronger tomorrow and thursday. i thought ann romney gave a wonderful speech about her husband. their marriage does seem real and they are still in love. i agree with you. she is a great asset for him.
 
For those who say there’s no racism at all in the Republican party:

Nuts are thrown at a black camera woman at the RNC in an attempt to “feed the animals”

huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/republican-cnn-attack-animal-peanuts-racist_n_1838249.html?utm_hp_ref=media

:rolleyes:
What about somebody defacing Mia Love’s wikipedia page? Doubt this was done by any conservative. She spoke at the RNC

Warning graphic language

en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mia_Love&diff=509702955&oldid=509702865

Bet Huffington post will not report this
 
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