Republican hopefuls in TV debate

[rlg94086]

So it looks by the current poll results here that Romney won another Republican debate. :yawn:

Huntsman might be staying in until NH to see if he can upset Romney there. But I saw 2 polls today with Romney ahead in IA where from what I hear he’s personally not putting forth a whole lot of time, and with a huge lead in NH.

Gosh, I’m really sorry the GOP primary process is boring you. Who do you plan on voting for in the GOP Primary?

 

[_Abyssinia]

I think Romney won the debate. He sounded presidential, talking about the importance of leadership, and looked presidential. I couldn’t care less that he’s a Mormon. What I do worry about is his economic competence although he supposedly has the background in this area according to…himself. What should we make of his Romney Care package in Massachusetts? Many say it has not been a success, so why didn’t Perry pursue this more? Also, Romney’s attitude toward China seems a bit troubling. And so far he appears to speak in generalities despite his detailed, multi-pronged proposal for job growth.

Perry was a disappointment even from the perspective of a non-supporter, not appearing in command at all but rather timid and on the defensive, accompanied by an energy mantra as a solution to the job problem; while Gingrich behaved like the elder statesman of the group, often praising others’ remarks and fostering once again party unity for the purpose of defeating Obama. Cain was a broken record with his 999 plan, and his praise of former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan was odd. Huntsman is a non-entity in this race, and Bachmann and Santorum, while both sounding sincere in their beliefs, didn’t seem to have the “gravitas” needed for the nomination, at least in the economic arena. Paul expressed his usual libertarian views, which most people probably don’t really understand anyway.

And that is important, there is lack of leadership in the White House, America needs a presidential leader again. I think Perry has stopped debating RomneyCare because he realizes it won’t go anywhere, it was state plan, it was not national, it had differences with ObamaCare, and Romney has admitted parts of RomneyCare did not work and it should not be rolled out nationally.

 

[_Abyssinia]

I am rooting for Romney because he is the best candidate to beat Obama in 2012. He has executive experience in the public and private sector. He knows how to turn things around in business a governor, he knows how to use government authority. He has said he would defund Planned Parenthood, he has a strong pro life record.

I think Mitt Romney is a really great debater and he could dominate against Obama in debates.

 

[_Abyssinia]

What does our Catholic faith say about supporting a Morman for President? The Mormans I know are very anti-Catholic. I am not being hateful here, I am only want an answer seeing how things are progressing.

I have never read anything in Catholic teaching that says you can not vote for a candidate that is not Catholic. Protecting marriage, protecting the unborn, these are the non negotiables.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Most Mormons I know are personally not really Anti-Catholic, although their RELIGIOUS DOGMA is. Difference. I personally agree that Mormons are NOT Christian, but…

Many evangelicals and Catholics I also know have told me they are willing to overlook Romney’s Mormonism for the “greater good”-------getting Obama out of office. We simply cannot have four more years of Obama in office----wouldn’t you agree?

Romney has also said and promised that he will not let his Mormonism be a large part of his presidency----and I basically trust him on that.

But I agree again------Mormons are NOT Christian. Sorry if I offend any Mormons here. I will vote for the man, but don’t ask me to pretend he’s a TRUE Christian. My opinion and I’m sticking to it.

But we as Catholics would have doctrinal disagreements with Evangelicals, Protestants, not just Mormons. I don’t know whether Mormons are Christians, don’t they acknowledge Jesus Christ as their savior?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

But we as Catholics would have doctrinal disagreements with Evangelicals, Protestants, not just Mormons. I don’t know whether Mormons are Christians, don’t they acknowledge Jesus Christ as their savior?

OFF TOPIC, but,… Yes, they do, however, it is their theological understanding of the nature of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and the relationship of the trinity that is problematic.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Unfortunately, people care more about feelings than about facts. Herman Cain’s 999 has numbers, but it doesn’t have the sex appeal that feelgooders want. Many will run once they focus on the 9% sales tax, even though people are getting a 6% reduction in payroll tax. Their net is still an increase of 3%. How is that appealling? What am I missing here?

It is my impression that Cain’s proposition is to eliminate the payroll tax altogether. Presumably, since the “employer paid” part is effectively paid out of wages anyway, regardless who pays it, the actual reduction would be 15%, not 6%. Obviously, that would take awhile for adjustments to be made. Would employers really raise wages if they didn’t have to pay the payroll tax? I don’t know, but I think it would raise wages at least somewhat.

I agree that imposing a federal sales tax would be tempting to the tax and spend crowd since they could raise it just as Obama wants to raise the income tax. Cain could perhaps cure that problem by further proposing that any increases must be approved by a vote of the people, as is the case in my state.

Hard to know who would win and who would lose with the 999 thing. I hate paying sales taxes, but at least I get to choose whether to buy some items or forego them. Most people have no choices when it comes to the income tax. Some do, of course, but not most.

I do think it could result in at least a lot of higher income people paying more in taxes if the income tax part is a flat tax, without significant deductions.

 

[Cider]

And that is important, there is lack of leadership in the White House, America needs a presidential leader again. I think Perry has stopped debating RomneyCare because he realizes it won’t go anywhere, it was state plan, it was not national, it had differences with ObamaCare, and Romney has admitted parts of RomneyCare did not work and it should not be rolled out nationally.

If he was smart he would attack it on the fact that it’s unconstitutional and that Romney apparently has no problem forcing Americans to buy a product based on nothing other than them being born and breathing air. So what is the next product he is going to force us to buy “for our own good”?

 

[Caldera]

Full Bloomberg/Washington Post GOP Debate in New Hampshire
youtube.com/watch?v=bCwpLPQEEj8

 

[gnjsdad]

Unfortunately, people care more about feelings than about facts. Herman Cain’s 999 has numbers, but it doesn’t have the sex appeal that feelgooders want. Many will run once they focus on the 9% sales tax, even though people are getting a 6% reduction in payroll tax. Their net is still an increase of 3%. How is that appealling? What am I missing here?

My impression, after watching the debate, is that if the electorate was composed entirely of those making over $200,000 a year, Herman Cain and his 9 9 9 plan would win going away. That is the constituency all of the GOP candidates appear to be making their appeal to.

The plan is enormously regressive, attaching significant tax increases on goods and services purchased by everyone, but whose imapct would be felt most keenly by the poor and lower middle classes, thus further stifling their ability to purchase such goods and services. Just imagine the economic impact of a 9% federal sales tax on top of whatever state sales tax is imposed on a good or service!

And so far, no one has questioned Mr Cain on just how he intends to fund Social Security if his plan to eliminate the payroll tax comes about. My guess is his answer would be “Privatize it”.

Even in the unlikely event Mr Cain becomes President, I’m quite confident his 9 9 9 plan will never see the light of day.

 

[buffalo]

I think voters should be wary about whether or not a candidate won a debate.

I for one do not want to elect a good debater. We should focus on substance, their character, the 5 non-negotiables, their voting record etc…

 

[irishpatrick]

Santorum is the only person during the debate to speak about the importance of the family.

 

[buffalo]

Santorum is the only person during the debate to speak about the importance of the family.

Right. And the family and its importance to a well functioning society should be front and center.

From this video one can see just how our government went about wrecking the family.
[Taxation Immorality](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVjLhK588TE&feature=channel_video_title) [Social Justice Issues are being used by the Obama Administration to immorally tax America, affecting the integrity of family life.](http://www.youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/u/0/AVjLhK588TE)

 

[irishpatrick]

Right. And the family and its importance to a well functioning society should be front and center.

From this video one can see just how our government went about wrecking the family.

		 			[Taxation Immorality](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVjLhK588TE&feature=channel_video_title) [Social  Justice Issues are being used by the Obama Administration to  immorally  tax America, affecting the integrity of family life.](http://www.youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/u/0/AVjLhK588TE)

Yes, so of all the people running, I see Santorum as being way above them all, for his stance on the general issues, but mainly because of his stance on marriage, family and life.

I pray his numbers can increase so that he could be viable for at least the VP office. We need Catholics to wake up.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Poll: Perry beats Obama 42-36, Cain leads 35-34, Romney bests Obama 40-33:

usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/10/12/poll-herman-cain-rick-perry-mitt-romney-all-beat-obama

 

[buffalo]

Yes, so of all the people running, I see Santorum as being way above them all, for his stance on the general issues, but mainly because of his stance on marriage, family and life.

I pray his numbers can increase so that he could be viable for at least the VP office. We need Catholics to wake up.

and this is one of the results of government meddling…

Judge Judy - Here’s Who You Support With Taxes

 

[Prague]

Gary Johnson wasn’t there. Has he dropped out? He certainly doesn’t have any chance. Just wondering.

 

[He_Man]

I’m not sure how they determine who gets asked the questions in which order, but they did a terrible job. Romney and Cain got probably 66% of the questions. Rebuttals are one thing, but Santorum, Paul, Bachmann, and even Hunstman were marginalized thanks for bad moderators.

I thought Santorum did a great job considering this, and as usual thought Gingrich came off as the smartest guy in the room.

 

[meltzerboy]

I’m not sure how they determine who gets asked the questions in which order, but they did a terrible job. Romney and Cain got probably 66% of the questions. Rebuttals are one thing, but Santorum, Paul, Bachmann, and even Hunstman were marginalized thanks for bad moderators.

I thought Santorum did a great job considering this, and as usual thought Gingrich came off as the smartest guy in the room.

I thought Charlie Rose was not at his best with respect to moderating the debate. I agree that Romney and Cain did most of the talking, saying relatively little compared to some of the others (Santorum, Bachmann, and Gingrich in particular), who got their point across despite less opportunity to speak. Gingrich is the smartest guy in the room: the only one, with the possible exception of Romney, who would be able to give Obama a good run in the debates. He has experience and can think outside of the box. I may not always agree with him on the issues (I’m a liberal Democrat, after all), but I admire his insight and the fact he’s a straight talker. I’m not so sure Romney has these qualities although he’s slick and polished and can probably go toe-to-toe with Obama in the debates. But is there any substance there? To me, he’s still an enigma.

 

[mary_bobo]

But we as Catholics would have doctrinal disagreements with Evangelicals, Protestants, not just Mormons. I don’t know whether Mormons are Christians, don’t they acknowledge Jesus Christ as their savior?

Sen. Orin Hatch, a Mormon, was interviewed today and reiterated that Mormons are Christians. He pointed out that the official name of the church is Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.