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That explains it. These are not orthodox Catholic leaders. The title should be edited to 'progressive Catholic leaders. That Washington Post article should of put the quoted statement, right at the top
Since when is the opposite of “orthodox” “progressive”?

Both John Paul II and Benedict XVI have been described as progressive for a number of things they’ve done. The implication that these popes might not be orthodox is uncalled for IMO.

'progressive. .
 
Romney reports tax bill of $6.2 million for 2010-11

reuters.com/article/2012/01/24/us-usa-campaign-romney-taxes-idUSTRE80N06U20120124
Romney and his wife Ann paid an effective tax rate of 13.9 percent in 2010 and expect to pay a 15.4 percent effective tax rate when they file their returns for 2011…
The Caymans holdings and holdings in a Swiss bank account - which was closed in 2010 after an adviser decided it could be politically embarrassing to Romney - were reported on tax returns and were not vehicles to avoid taxes, the advisers said.
 
Here is the part of the article that says it all:

In their open letter, the Catholic leaders — ***many of them associated with progressive and Democratic causes ***— say that raising “racist caricatures is irresponsible, immoral and unworthy of political leaders.”

(my bold italics).

What a news flash, cmatt - a bunch of pro-Obama Democrat catholics who seem to care more about their liberal/left politics than their faith have written a letter to help their favorite candidate.

Too bad they don’t seem to get it - that a catholic who is serious about his/her faith should oppose Obama will all of their strength. The man is the most anti-catholic president we’ve ever had.

Ishii
Good to know my opinion of the media outlets is proven correct again, but it is also a sad that my opinion of the media is proven correct again.
 
Good to know my opinion of the media outlets is proven correct again, but it is also a sad that my opinion of the media is proven correct again.
There’s nothing wrong with being associated with progressive causes any more than there is anything wrong with being associated with conservative causes. I’m proud to be a liberal just as some of our posters are proud to be conservatives.
 
Obama is married to planned parenthood, consider this five black babies are aborted for every one white baby. The black population today would be twice what it is now without abortion on demand services… So who is the racist??
 
There’s nothing wrong with being associated with progressive causes any more than there is anything wrong with being associated with conservative causes. I’m proud to be a liberal just as some of our posters are proud to be conservatives.
Of course that’s what you think.
 
Of course that’s what you think.
And what others may also think. I have nothing against any conservative poster (except to think that he or she is wrong 😉 ) and I know conservatives on the Forum who feel the same about me (being friendly towards me but considering me wrong, of course. 😉 ) 👍
 
You rang?

If you were in a swing state that could decide the election - think Florida in 2000 - would you vote for Romney over Obama? Why or why not?

Ishii
Let’s say I was in a swing state like Florida or Ohio or something. I MIGHT be persuaded to vote Romney just so Obama would lose. But, my decision would be 100% of because of Obama, and 0% because of Romney.

Say Romney wins, I am still not a happy camper. Many of the feelings I had when John McCain lost, I will have if either Obama or Romney win in 2012. And, I will feel that I have betrayed my conscience by voting for a Mormon. And, whereas I view voting for Gingrich, Santorum, and Paul as a good choice… I would certaintly consider voting Romney to be an evil one. Less evil than Obama… but still evil.

And, I may point out that that’s not a done deal. I would still consider to vote 3rd party in a battleground state, because I think the 2 party system is highly outdated. And, in looking to Europe I see people being represented in countries that have 8, 10, 12 parties all getting at least 1 seat in government.

However, as an Alabama resident, I cannot forsee me being persuaded to vote Romney. If Romney wins I will assuredly cast a protest vote.
 
Can you imagine the GOP state of the union if they beat Obama?

“Umm, it still sucks just not as bad as it would have if you voted for the last guy. Always remember America, when you promote the lesser of two evils, you still get a Republican.”
On Day 1, President Reagan deregulated gasoline prices and the “energy crisis” went away instantly.

If President Gingrich [or President Romney] on January 20th, right after lunch, signed bills from Congress [which takes office on January 2nd] to remove the permitorium in Louisiana, cancel Federal restrictions on drilling in Alaska and the other 49 states; cancel Obamacare AND allow tax deductible interstate purchase of any form of medical insurance by individuals [with tax credits for low income people and for people with vetted chronic illness]; and cut the top corporate, individual and capital gains tax rates to 10%; transferred the Dept of Education and the EPA to the states … if he did that on Day 1, the economy would turn around on Day 2.

He could also sign off on cancelation of the light bulb fiasco; undo the pro-choice/ pro-abortion subsidies [and all the other pro-abortion rules / and get rid of restrictions on pro-life policies]; approve the Keystone pipeline; and, separate the nuclear stuff from the Dept of Energy and zero out the rest.

On Day 2, he could sign legislation to prevent one person from again getting such a stranglehold on the economy … more safeguards against central government on our freedoms.

Others have pointed out that the debt-financed money for 2013 and 2014 is already spent. However, that can be reversed by passing a law requiring spending to be limited to 90% of actual tax revenues.

You can look up the “actual(s)” here:

Table 3.1 has a history going back to 1940 or so:

gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy11/pdf/hist.pdf
 
Since when is the opposite of “orthodox” “progressive”?

Both John Paul II and Benedict XVI have been described as progressive for a number of things they’ve done. The implication that these popes might not be orthodox is uncalled for IMO.
You’re right Rich, the title should be called “Heterodox Catholics…”

or perhaps “Dissident Catholics…”
“Doubting Catholics…”
“Heretical Catholics…”
Let me just list the synonyms from thesaurus.com: Aberrant, Anomalous, Atypical, Bizarre, Deviant, Divergent, Eccentric, Exceptional (an exception to the rule) , Extraordinary (not ordinary), Funny, Gross, Irregular, Odd, Off-base, Off-color, Out of line, Peculiar, Strange, Uncommon, Unnatural, Unorthodox, Unusual, Weird.

Put any of those before the word “Catholic” and it is a synonym to heterodox… which is the opposite of orthodox. So, there is as full an answer I can give you of what the opposite of orthodox is.

P.S.
I don’t know what a President Romney plans to do on day 1, but a President Gingrich is planning to sign 200 executive orders a few hours after being inaugurated, so “Before Obama’s plane returns him to Chicago or Hawaii, something like 30-40% of everything Obama worked on in the past 4 years will have been dismantled.”- Newt Gingrich
 
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I don’t know what a President Romney plans to do on day 1, but a President Gingrich is planning to sign 200 executive orders a few hours after being inaugurated, so “Before Obama’s plane returns him to Chicago or Hawaii, something like 30-40% of everything Obama worked on in the past 4 years will have been dismantled.”- Newt Gingrich
I wouldn’t rely much on what a “President” Gingrich says.
 
Originally Posted by SamH
Good to know my opinion of the media outlets is proven correct again, but it is also a sad that my opinion of the media is proven correct again.
There’s nothing wrong with being associated with progressive causes any more than there is anything wrong with being associated with conservative causes. I’m proud to be a liberal just as some of our posters are proud to be conservatives.
Thats a pretty smooth transition Rich.😉
Falls right into the same transparent pattern that caused all the MSM outlets to shield Jon Edwards… month after month, til it was no longer possible…and then off handedly explain it away by labeling themselves ethical.👍
 
Since when is the opposite of “orthodox” “progressive”?

Both John Paul II and Benedict XVI have been described as progressive for a number of things they’ve done. The implication that these popes might not be orthodox is uncalled for IMO.

'progressive. .
They are not progressive in matters of opposing key Catholic Teaching.
 
Romney now has the support of 29% of Republican registered voters to Gingrich’s 28%, according to Gallup - USA Today

Mitt Romney paid $3M in taxes in 2010 - USA Today

The Romneys gave away $7 million in charitable contributions over the past two years, including at least $4.1 million to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - Washington Post

They say Romney is the establishment candidate but the establishment is slow to endorse him

http://conhomeusa.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f4f7f710970b01630008e614970d-500wi
Romney remains a tremendously weak frontrunner, whose strengths don’t compensate for a style that leaves conservatives cold and a background that will leave him open to attacks across a variety of Democratic-friendly fronts in the general election." - Ross Douthat

“Mitt Romney was born and raised in Michigan and has ties to Utah. Yet he chose to make his career, both in business and politics, in Massachusetts. Nearly every political problem Romney has today, at least those involving his policy positions, stems from that one decision.” - Byron York

Meanwhile, Gingrich’s former firm releases Freddie Mac contract - Washington Post

Romney levelled a searing attack against Newt Gingrich’s character and raised pointed questions about his ability to lead - New York Times

“Romney wasted little time before laying into Gingrich on an array of potential vulnerabilities in advance of the Jan. 31 Florida primary, including a challenge to Gingrich’s conservative bona fides on the environment, his condemnation for which he later apologized of Paul Ryan’s entitlement reform plan as “right-wing social engineering,” and his consulting work on behalf of failed mortgage giant Freddie Mac.” - RCP

“unlike Gingrich’s memorable moments from the two South Carolina debates, nothing in Monday’s debate seems likely to alter the race in Florida in any serious way, either by boosting Romney or slowing Gingrich’s momentum.” - Weekly Standard

Romney advocates ‘self-deportation’ for illegal immigrants - LA Times

Defeat in SC will be good for Romney if he now discovers passion - George Will in the Washington Post

Ten suggestions for Romney to get back on track, beginning with DON’T PANIC - The Hill

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said a quick end to the presidential primary battle would be best so the GOP can unify around the nominee - Roll Call

Stephens and Gerson see support for Gingrich as a desire for excitement

Voters instinctively prefer the idea of an entertaining Newt-Obama contest—the aspiring Caesar versus the failed Redeemer—over a dreary Mitt-Obama one - Bret Stephens in the Wall Street Journal

“Currently many conservatives are exercising not just their franchise but their imaginations. They picture a debate between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, and they yawn. They envision Gingrich going after the president, the media and the fundamental failures of liberalism — and their pulses race. But Republicans need to imagine just a little further — electing a president with no history of prudence.” - Mike Gerson in the Washington Post

Jonah Goldberg at the LA Times reaches similar conclusions: “For whatever reason, Romney seems like a creature put on Earth to blend in with the humans and report back what he finds. He clearly likes earthlings, and they in turn find him pleasant enough, and surprisingly lifelike. Occasionally he finds the right words, but he rarely connects them to the right tone. This dearth of convincing passion in the front-runner makes the passionate base of the party want to look elsewhere — even to Newtzilla.”

“Mr Romney’s challenge is to talk conservatives down from the ledge without worsening his position by insulting them for climbing up there with Newt in the first place” - Economist
 
There is no “establishment.”
You can create a semantic rabbit trail if you choose.
The point:
The backlash ./ analysis/ explaining this landslide vote as an anomaly that has to be nipped in the bud … by both the democrats … and the republicans that control all the microphones and cameras… was immediate and continuous.
 
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