Republican Primary

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pnewton said:
I do not thing Ron Paul will live long enough to be mainstream, but I do believe within a generation a candidate with his fringe ideas will the only choice.
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Exactly. He has already exposed the Federal Reserve System to the fraud that it is. He has growing support in that area even amongst Democrats. And his son now is co-sponsoring the Sanctity of Life bill in the Senate. His ideas will be recognized if the U.S. is to survive, which is why I have voted for him AND HIS IDEOLOGY since 1988.
 
ProVobis said:
Exactly. He has already exposed the Federal Reserve System to the fraud that it is. He has growing support in that area even amongst Democrats. And his son now is co-sponsoring the Sanctity of Life bill in the Senate. His ideas will be recognized if the U.S. is to survive, which is why I have voted for him AND HIS IDEOLOGY since 1988.
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I will continue to allow my political vote to be influenced by the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the non-aggressive free market political stance of the likes of Mises, Rothbard, and Hayek.
 
I’m waiting for Rand Paul to come into his own. He’s got his dad’s good positions on the State being an enemy of Liberty without the bad ones.
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mlund said:
I’m waiting for Rand Paul to come into his own. He’s got his dad’s good positions on the State being an enemy of Liberty without the bad ones.
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The bad one’s being…that people are too stupid not to use drugs unless the state makes it a crime?

That the Republican Party establishment and the Democrat Party establishment know better than the average citizen how to live their lives?

That the best way to combat terrorism is to declare the United States a combat ground and give the President the right to arrest anyone on any grounds and hold them as long as he wants without habeus corpus or due process?
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
I will continue to allow my political vote to be influenced by the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the non-aggressive free market political stance of the likes of Mises, Rothbard, and Hayek.
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Since the Nixon elimination of the gold standard, I’ve become interested in the writings of Mises, Hazlitt, Harry Browne and others. Lately I’ve been reading Cicero’s Ex Officiis (On Duties). It’s in Latin but there are some fair translations.

For a while there, I thought we had things fixed through the policies of Paul Volcker while he was Fed Chairman. Unfortunately, easy money gets you votes and all Presidents since Volcker have pressured the Fed to print, print, and print money.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Newt supporters to organize for Ron Paul in Virginia to stop a Romney blow-out

redalertpolitics.com/2012/02/grassroots-supporters-of-gingrich-organize-for-paul-in-virginia/
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You know, the Banana Republic GOP establishment in Virginia stacking the deck for Romney is sickening. Virginia pulled a bait and switch, changinging their eligibility rules a couple months ago, leaving those candidates NOT independently wealthy without a chance to qualify. Romney COULD have done the honorable thing by giving his opponents a fair amount of time to qualify, given the new rules, but he is clearly NOT a man of integrity. Frankly I despise him for it, and the only reason I'd vote for him over BHO is b/c I do not believe that Mitt is intent on undermining the family, our economic system and the Constitutionas Obama clearly is. He has no Marxist and terrorist friends that I know of. :mad: Rob
 
RACJ said:
You know, the Banana Republic GOP establishment in Virginia stacking the deck for Romney is sickening. Virginia pulled a bait and switch, changinging their eligibility rules a couple months ago, leaving those candidates NOT independently wealthy without a chance to qualify. Romney COULD have done the honorable thing by giving his opponents a fair amount of time to qualify, given the new rules, but he is clearly NOT a man of integrity. Frankly I despise him for it, and the only reason I’d vote for him over BHO is b/c I do not believe that Mitt is intent on undermining the family, our economic system and the Constitutionas Obama clearly is. He has no Marxist and terrorist friends that I know of. :mad: Rob
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I must have missed something. Was Romney offered a say-so in Virginia’s rules. Was there an opportunity for him to change their rules that he turned down? Do you have a link somewhere, so I can read about it?
 
ProVobis said:
It seems one only gets media attention these days if he or his supporters say or do something unusual. That’s how CNN, FOX, CNBC, ABC, CBS, etc make money.

That Ron Paul is consistent and has been consistent with his message for over 20 years is not a newsworthy item but should be more of a reason why people should vote for him if they agree with his ideology. You can’t dismiss a candidate simply because you find him boring but that’s the way things seem to go.
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So winning a primary is unusual? Maybe if Ron Paul actually won a primary it would be unusual enough for him to get some coverage. It seems to me that if you want coverage, you have to do more than be an also ran. As a previous poster pointed out, Santorum didn’t get much coverage either until he won Iowa. Is consistency worthy of coverage? Should Dennis Kucinich have been granted coverage because he was consistent?

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ishii said:
So winning a primary is unusual? Maybe if Ron Paul actually won a primary it would be unusual enough for him to get some coverage. It seems to me that if you want coverage, you have to do more than be an also ran. As a previous poster pointed out, Santorum didn’t get much coverage either until he won Iowa. Is consistency worthy of coverage? Should Dennis Kucinich have been granted coverage because he was consistent?

Ishii
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Dennis Kicinich hasn’t been consistent.
 
Does the GOP care about Latino voters?
'When it comes to Latino voters, Republicans must have un impulso suicida.
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What else but a death wish could explain the party’s treatment of the fastest-growing voting bloc in the nation? First was the wave of Arizona-style immigration laws. Then came the anti-immigrant rhetoric from the GOP presidential candidates. On Tuesday, Senate Republicans roughed up Adalberto Jose Jordan — because, well, just because they could.
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The Hispanic population is expected to double — to 30 percent of the United States population — in the coming decades. So if Latinos continue to vote 2-to-1 for Democrats, the Republican Party will become irrelevant. Zoltan Hajnal of the University of California, San Diego, an authority on racial politics, sees a parallel with the Republicans’ alienation of African Americans in the 1960s. “The image of the party is pretty clear to most Latinos,” he said, “and once party images are built, they get passed on from parent to child in a process that’s very resistant to change.”
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Why is the fact that under Obama, more illegal immigrants have been deported than under Bush, being ignored by the liberal media?
 
_Abyssinia said:
Does the GOP care about Latino voters?
Why is the fact that under Obama, more illegal immigrants have been deported than under Bush, being ignored by the liberal media?
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I haven’t heard much about it from the likes of Rush Limbaugh and others either.
 
Should Dennis Kucinich have been granted coverage because he was consistent?
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Dennis Kucinich straddled on the healthcare bill; how was that consistent? Besides, he’s not running in the Republican primaries making speeches every day.
 
ProVobis said:
I haven’t heard much about it from the likes of Rush Limbaugh and others either.
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Because there are more people here to deport?

2011 saw 396,906 deportations, the largest number in the history of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement; of those, 216,698 had been convicted of crimes, including:
44,653 convicted of “drug-related crimes”
35,927 convicted of driving under the influence
5,848 aliens convicted of sexual offenses
1,119 convicted of homicide

I don’t know if that is anything to brag about.
 
One of the reasons in AZ why the deportations were up last year was because local law enforcement used local laws that allowed them to hold and hand over illegal immigrants to the Feds. The Feds didn’t like it, more work for them, but the deportations went up.

Obama is fighting these local laws in court.
 
ProVobis said:
It seems one only gets media attention these days if he or his supporters say or do something unusual. That’s how CNN, FOX, CNBC, ABC, CBS, etc make money.

That Ron Paul is consistent and has been consistent with his message for over 20 years is not a newsworthy item but should be more of a reason why people should vote for him if they agree with his ideology. You can’t dismiss a candidate simply because you find him boring but that’s the way things seem to go.
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And people have consistently rejected his message for 20 years. BTW-I though Paul supporters said we were supposed to ignore things he said 20 eyars ago?
 
Despite being a Non-Republican, as a political junkie I have been paying close attention to what has been happening in the Republican primaries. It has been quite a show! Very entertaining.

I don’t agree with Ron Paul on most issues, but I respect him. He is the only candidate in the race who is willing to say “the clothes have no emperor” when it is true, regardless of the political fallout. I doubt many Ron Paul supporters on this forum regularly watch “The Rachel Maddow Show”, but twice now she has had Doug Wead, the senior advisor to the Ron Paul campaign, on for a very cordial interview. In the first one, he spoke about how the Republican establishment rigged the primary system to favor Mitt Romney’s nomination and how the Ron Paul campaign is using their grass-roots strength to out-wit them. It’s quite fascinating.

Here is the link to the first interview from 2/10/12, where Maddow explains the Ron Paul strategy and gets a 100% “you’re spot on” endorsement from Doug Wead who later comes in for the interview: youtu.be/9x28_I9oIVg

Then, just last night (2/14/12), Doug Weed was on Rachel Maddow again. This time to discuss the results of the Maine caucus. I was stunned by two things. First, that the Republican establishment is so desperate to nominate Mitt Romney, that it will declare him the winner despite the closeness of the race and the number of votes left uncounted. Secondly, that it comes to nothing in the end, because the Ron Paul people grab all the delegate slots anyway!

Here is the link to the second interview:

“Maine caucus yields another questionable Republican vote
Doug Wead, Ron Paul campaign senior advisor, talks with Rachel Maddow about the inability of Maine Republicans to conduct an above-board election, and the Paul campaign strategy to collect delegates in the Republican primary.”
msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/46391196#46391196

When it comes to the Republican Establishment it certainly seems like they will do anything to fill the “clothes” with the “emperor” of their choosing - regardless of what their own base is telling them. We can once again thank Ron Paul for pointing that out.
 
rlg94086 said:
I must have missed something. Was Romney offered a say-so in Virginia’s rules. Was there an opportunity for him to change their rules that he turned down? Do you have a link somewhere, so I can read about it?
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No, he was not. The Virginia rules were changed in the spring of 2011 to make it more difficult to get on the ballot, and all the candidates knew that. Gingrich is a Virginia resident and certainly knows the rules there. Instead of challening the rules, he tried to collect the required signatures and failed to do so. He only challenged the rules after he failed to make the ballot, which is one reason his suit was tossed out. VA wanted to make it really hard to get on the ballot. They succeeded in doing so, and now they are unhappy with that choice. Hopefully they have learned that lesson and will loosen up the rules, but it has nothing to do with Romney.
 
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