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Semper_Zelare said:
Well escuse if I offended ya! You can feel free to refer to Alabama as “Alabamaw”. If you wish…

I do have to ask though… if you yourself voted for Rick Santorum as well?

I mean… he did win every county, in the state of MO there.
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Only hicks and people from KC say Missourah.😃

Yes I voted for Santorum. I made my elderly mother vote for him too, since I was her ride to the polls. 😃
 
kubark said:
Delegates are what matters, scipio.

Do you know the difference between a caucus state and a primary state?

Do you even realize that Rick and Newt failed to make the ballot in Virginia and have serious ballot issues in other states?

The fact that the GOP elders have been deriding and marginalizing Ron Paul does not speak well for the future of the Party. The fact that a majority of GOP voters care more about charisma and rhetoric instead of a consistent record, does not bode well for the future of the Party.
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  1. It would appear that almost no one goes to vote in caucuses. Except the one in Iowa. 5,500 votes in Maine? The population is 1.3 million. That’s gotta be less than 1 % of the pop.
  2. Newt Gingrich is telling his Virginia people to campaign for Ron Paul, so the he wins. I hope Santorum does the same. In my view, the least states Mitt Romney wins the better.
    So… I do hope Ron Paul wins Virginia… but I also hoped he won in Maine.
And Ron Paul dashed my hopes there.
  1. I’m drawn to Rick Santorum because of his policies. He’s a Catholic that walks the walk, and talks the talk.
If you want me to, I can start dragging out dozens of Santorum quotes… that could just as easily by Pius IX or a Pope. I don’t think there’s too many of those from Ron Paul.
 
Semper_Zelare said:
  1. It would appear that almost no one goes to vote in caucuses. Except the one in Iowa. 5,500 votes in Maine? The population is 1.3 million. That’s gotta be less than 1 % of the pop.
  2. Newt Gingrich is telling his Virginia people to campaign for Ron Paul, so the he wins. I hope Santorum does the same. In my view, the least states Mitt Romney wins the better.
    So… I do hope Ron Paul wins Virginia… but I also hoped he won in Maine.
And Ron Paul dashed my hopes there.
  1. I’m drawn to Rick Santorum because of his policies. He’s a Catholic that walks the walk, and talks the talk.
If you want me to, I can start dragging out dozens of Santorum quotes… that could just as easily by Pius IX or a Pope. I don’t think there’s too many of those from Ron Paul.
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There appear to be some electoral inconsistencies that could put Maine into Ron Paul’s win column.

WRT, Ron Paul’s admiration of JPII, there’s this:
Ron Paul Before the US House of Representatives:
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to join my colleagues in paying tribute to the life and legacy of Pope John Paul II. Pope John Paul II was one of the great religious leaders of modern times, and an eloquent champion of human freedom and dignity. Unlike all-too-many misguided religious leaders, the Pope understood that liberty, both personal and economic, is a necessary condition for the flourishing of human virtue.

The Pope’s commitment to human dignity, grounded in the teachings of Christ, led him to become one of the most eloquent spokesmen for the consistent ethic of life, exemplified by his struggles against abortion, war, euthanasia, and the death penalty.

Unfortunately, few in American politics today adhere to the consistent ethic of life, thus we see some who cheered the Pope’s stand against the war and the death penalty while downplaying or even openly defying his teachings against abortion and euthanasia.

Others who cheered the Pope’s opposition to abortion and euthanasia were puzzled or hostile to his opposition to war. Many of these “pro-life supporters of war” tried to avoid facing the inherent contradictions in their position by distorting the Just War doctrine, which the Pope properly interpreted as denying sanction to the Iraq war. One prominent conservative commentator even suggested that the pope was the “enemy” of the United States.

In conclusion, I am pleased to pay tribute to Pope John Paul II. I would encourage those who wish to honor his memory to reflect on his teachings regarding war and the sanctity of life, and consider the inconsistencies in claiming to be pro-life but supporting the senseless killing of innocent people that inevitably accompanies militarism, or in claiming to be pro-peace and pro-compassion but supporting the legal killing of the unborn.
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RACJ said:
Mitt Romney stands for whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear. He is afraid to take questions after speeches, he will not appear on serios conservative shows such as Beck and Levin, and his Ma. heath care law was the basis for the odious Obamacare. That doesn’t even begin to consider the fierce attacks that will be coming against the origins and tenets of Mormonism.
Santorum is a fearless fighter, and he represents our best chance of driving the arrogant leftist from the WH, no matter what polls say. :cool:
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RomneyCare was a state plan, it had bipartisan support, like from the Heritage Foundation, the whole bill is less than 100 pages etc. I do not think it is like ObamaCare.
 
RACJ said:
In a very real sense, Kubark, YOU appear to be as hopelessly Utopian as the Obama acolytes. If you think that there is little REAL difference between the philosophies of a Santorum and an Obama, you’re not listening. Do you think that a President Santorum would shut down coal mines and oil rigs, desire a "skyrocket"ing of electricity costs, or nix the Keystone pipeline? Notice gasoline prices? I hope that you spy a difference before America lay on the scrap heap of history. 😦 Rob
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In a very real sense, RACJ, you are putting words into my mouth. I never said that there is “little REAL difference between Santorum and Obama.” What I said was that Santorum is a fake conservative. Don’t confuse the two statements.

Santorum is not only a fake conservative on the pro-life issue, but he is also more dangerous, more hypocritical, and more of a fake conservative on the economy, healthcare, and immigration than Mitt Romney, who he endorsed in 2008. For example:

In 2002, Santorum voted for for the job-killing Sarbanes-Oxley Act.

In 2001, Santorum voted to allow states to impose health care mandates that are stricter than proposed new federal mandates.

In 1996, Santorum voted twice for federal mental health parity mandates in health insurance.

In 1996, Santorum voted against allowing consumers the option to purchase a plan outside the parity mandate.

Santorum voted twice (2001 and 2002) for a congressional pay raise

In 1997, Santorum voted to make Medicare Part B premium subsidies a new entitlement

In 1998, Santorum voted against paying off the debt ($5.6 trillion at the time) within 30 years.

In 1998, Santorum voted to give $18 billion to the IMF.

In 2000, Santorum voted to raid Social Security instead of using surpluses to pay down the debt.

In 2003, Santorum voted for Medicare Part D - creating $16 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

In 1995, Santorum voted for mandatory federal child care funding.

In 1996, Santorum voted to increase spending for the Department of Education by $3.1 billion

In 1995, Santorum voted to give welfare benefits to naturalized citizens without regard to the earnings of their sponsors

In 2005, Santorum voted against hiring an additional 1,000 border patrol agents, paid for by reductions in state grants

In 2006, Santorum voted to allow illegal immigrants to receive the earned income credit before becoming citizens
 
Semper_Zelare said:
  1. I’m drawn to Rick Santorum because of his policies. He’s a Catholic that walks the walk, and talks the talk.
If you want me to, I can start dragging out dozens of Santorum quotes… that could just as easily by Pius IX or a Pope. I don’t think there’s too many of those from Ron Paul.
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Voting for Rick Santorum because he is Catholic is sort of like voting for Obama because he is African American.

Santorum is a smooth operator and as a career politician/lobbyist certainly knows how to “talk the talk.” It is “walking the walk” where Santorum fails and Ron Paul shines.

If you are going to drag out any quotes by Popes, perhaps they should be the quotes by JPII and then Cardinal Ratzinger on the Iraq War that Rick Santorum spent so much time defending and promoting against the clear guidance of JPII, Ratzinger, and numerous other high ranking Cardinals, Archbishops, Bishops, etc.
 
theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/01/opus-dei/47349/

Well, Ron Paul can make a speech about John Paul II, that’s good.

But, Rick Santorum has ties to Opus Dei, which was very close to the heart of Blessed John Paul the Great.

I don’t think you’ll find any speeches by Ron Paul defending Opus Dei… but Rick Santorum spoke in Italy, at the headquarters of Opus Dei, at the celebration of it’s 100th year anniversary.

theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/01/opus-dei/47349/

Rick Santorum spoke right alongside: Opus Dei Archbishop John Myers, Cardinal Camillo Ruini, the pope’s vicar in Rome, Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani of Lima, Peru (the world’s lone Opus Dei cardinal), Archbishop George Pell of Sydney, Australia, and Archbishop Carlo Caffarra, an Italian who exercises a strong influence on John Paul II’s moral teaching, Archbishop Julian Herranz, president of the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts, sometimes called the Vatican’s Supreme Court, The event was to conclude with an audience with Pope John Paul II Jan. 12.
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That’s right, Rick Santorum actually made a speech before Pope John Paul II did. This happened in 2002, when His Holiness was still alive.** deserves size 4 font…

When did Ron Paul speak at the same event as 4 Archbishops, 2 Cardinals, and the Pope? yeah, I didn’t think so.
 
kubark said:
In a very real sense, RACJ, you are putting words into my mouth. I never said that there is “little REAL difference between Santorum and Obama.” What I said was that Santorum is a fake conservative. Don’t confuse the two statements.

Santorum is not only a fake conservative on the pro-life issue, but he is also more dangerous, more hypocritical, and more of a fake conservative on the economy, healthcare, and immigration than Mitt Romney, who he endorsed in 2008. For example:

In 2002, Santorum voted for for the job-killing Sarbanes-Oxley Act.

In 2001, Santorum voted to allow states to impose health care mandates that are stricter than proposed new federal mandates.

In 1996, Santorum voted twice for federal mental health parity mandates in health insurance.

In 1996, Santorum voted against allowing consumers the option to purchase a plan outside the parity mandate.

Santorum voted twice (2001 and 2002) for a congressional pay raise

In 1997, Santorum voted to make Medicare Part B premium subsidies a new entitlement

In 1998, Santorum voted against paying off the debt ($5.6 trillion at the time) within 30 years.

In 1998, Santorum voted to give $18 billion to the IMF.

In 2000, Santorum voted to raid Social Security instead of using surpluses to pay down the debt.

In 2003, Santorum voted for Medicare Part D - creating $16 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

In 1995, Santorum voted for mandatory federal child care funding.

In 1996, Santorum voted to increase spending for the Department of Education by $3.1 billion

In 1995, Santorum voted to give welfare benefits to naturalized citizens without regard to the earnings of their sponsors

In 2005, Santorum voted against hiring an additional 1,000 border patrol agents, paid for by reductions in state grants

In 2006, Santorum voted to allow illegal immigrants to receive the earned income credit before becoming citizens
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  Wow, for a "fake", the Democrats put a lot of wasted effort into defeating him. Chuck U. Shumer stated in 2006 that if Dems won the Senate but Santorum retained his seat, he'd consider the night a defeat. 
  Every congressman who served 16 years has some clunker votes to his detriment. Some of these votes came as a result of trying to support W's agenda. Little excuse. Other votes LOOK  bad b/c there are always competing bills, some of which are preferable to the ones cited as negative votes. Frankly, the guy takes on all comers, and left or right, the interviewers never make him look bad. 
 Santorum is the finest candidate that many of us will have the opportunity to support, maybe for generations. I refuse to be sucked in to the propaganda that he is really a liberal. I met him in '94 and worked for him, and he's a straight arrow who will make America proud if he is elected. No one is going to vote for him b/c they think that he is NOT really pro-life, I can guarantee you. :) Rob
 
kubark said:
Voting for Rick Santorum because he is Catholic is sort of like voting for Obama because he is African American.

Santorum is a smooth operator and as a career politician/lobbyist certainly knows how to “talk the talk.” It is “walking the walk” where Santorum fails and Ron Paul shines.

If you are going to drag out any quotes by Popes, perhaps they should be the quotes by JPII and then Cardinal Ratzinger on the Iraq War that Rick Santorum spent so much time defending and promoting against the clear guidance of JPII, Ratzinger, and numerous other high ranking Cardinals, Archbishops, Bishops, etc.
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Religions and Ethnicities are 2 different things.

Are their black teachings on economics? Are their Catholic teachings on economics?

Rick Santorum wrote a book basically espousing subsidiarity. You can call me a mindless Catholic, oh I’m just voting for him because he shares my faith… but that is a lie.

You can say it, but it remains a lie. I’m voting for him because he brings Catholicism into politics. Ron Paul doesn’t do that. Rick Santorum espouses economic and social teachings of the Catholic Church in his platform.

Oh, and I’ll have you know that Cardinal Ratzinger is now: His Holiness the Pope, Bishop of Rome and Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, etc.

It does not do sir, to refer to this man as “Cardinal Ratzinger”.** It does not do.** :tsktsk:
 
Semper_Zelare said:
Well escuse if I offended ya! You can feel free to refer to Alabama as “Alabamaw”. If you wish…

I do have to ask though… if you yourself voted for Rick Santorum as well?

I mean… he did win every county, in the state of MO there.
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I thought it was just Bama…
 
Semper_Zelare said:
Religions and Ethnicities are 2 different things.

Are their black teachings on economics? Are their Catholic teachings on economics?

Rick Santorum wrote a book basically espousing subsidiarity. You can call me a mindless Catholic, oh I’m just voting for him because he shares my faith… but that is a lie.

You can say it, but it remains a lie. I’m voting for him because he brings Catholicism into politics. Ron Paul doesn’t do that. Rick Santorum espouses economic and social teachings of the Catholic Church in his platform.

Oh, and I’ll have you know that Cardinal Ratzinger is now: His Holiness the Pope, Bishop of Rome and Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, etc.

It does not do sir, to refer to this man as “Cardinal Ratzinger”.** It does not do.** :tsktsk:
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Simma down na!

I said “then Cardinal Ratzinger” which is an accurate description of what he was “then.” You are getting all ruffled over nothing, yet again, Semper Zelare.

You also seem to put more credence into what Rick Santorum SAYS rather than how he VOTES and who he ENDORSES and SUPPORTS. What a shame! You seem more interested in defending Rick Santorum than you are interested in sorting fact from fiction. What a shame!
 
Semper_Zelare said:
theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/01/opus-dei/47349/

Well, Ron Paul can make a speech about John Paul II, that’s good.

But, Rick Santorum has ties to Opus Dei, which was very close to the heart of Blessed John Paul the Great.

I don’t think you’ll find any speeches by Ron Paul defending Opus Dei… but Rick Santorum spoke in Italy, at the headquarters of Opus Dei, at the celebration of it’s 100th year anniversary.

theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/01/opus-dei/47349/

Rick Santorum spoke right alongside: Opus Dei Archbishop John Myers, Cardinal Camillo Ruini, the pope’s vicar in Rome, Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani of Lima, Peru (the world’s lone Opus Dei cardinal), Archbishop George Pell of Sydney, Australia, and Archbishop Carlo Caffarra, an Italian who exercises a strong influence on John Paul II’s moral teaching, Archbishop Julian Herranz, president of the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts, sometimes called the Vatican’s Supreme Court, The event was to conclude with an audience with Pope John Paul II Jan. 12.
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That’s right, Rick Santorum actually made a speech before Pope John Paul II did. This happened in 2002, when His Holiness was still alive.**
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deserves size 4 font…

When did Ron Paul speak at the same event as 4 Archbishops, 2 Cardinals, and the Pope? yeah, I didn’t think so.
Opus Dei has some connections to suspected sedevacantist groups. So what?
 
All this my candidate’s Catholic credentials could beat up your candidate’s Catholic credentials is funny stuff. 😛
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Opus Dei has some connections to suspected sedevacantist groups. So what?
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Indeed, So what, INDEED.

It was the favorite of His Holiness, Blessed Pope John Paul the Great.

I don’t care what the haters say about it. Haters gonna hate. And Conspiracy Theorists gonna run buck wild and stark raving mad just like they always do.

Opus Dei didn’t become the first personal prelature for nothing. They are solidly orthodox. Just like FSSP.

… I’m disappointed that I had to respond to your post, which was nothing more than an unsubstantiated rumor. Seems to be a lot of that in regards to Opus Dei. I just didn’t expect it coming from other Catholics… 😦
 
RACJ said:
Wow, for a “fake”, the Democrats put a lot of wasted effort into defeating him. Chuck U. Shumer stated in 2006 that if Dems won the Senate but Santorum retained his seat, he’d consider the night a defeat.
Every congressman who served 16 years has some clunker votes to his detriment. Some of these votes came as a result of trying to support W’s agenda. Little excuse. Other votes LOOK bad b/c there are always competing bills, some of which are preferable to the ones cited as negative votes. Frankly, the guy takes on all comers, and left or right, the interviewers never make him look bad.
Santorum is the finest candidate that many of us will have the opportunity to support, maybe for generations. I refuse to be sucked in to the propaganda that he is really a liberal. I met him in '94 and worked for him, and he’s a straight arrow who will make America proud if he is elected. No one is going to vote for him b/c they think that he is NOT really pro-life, I can guarantee you. 🙂 Rob
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Non sequitur.

Who cares what Chuck Shumer says.

We are talking about Rick Santorum.

You are making rationalizations and excuses for Santorum’s betrayal of conservative principles. This is becoming a trend among Santorum’s followers.

Santorum represents everything that the Tea Party rejected in the 2010 landslide congressional elections. His home state (my home state) handed him a landslide defeat in 2006 after he betrayed us time and time again on conservative principles. He had his time in the limelight and was rejected. It truly shows how arrogant he is to think that he will have better luck running for President. He may win the nomination, but conservative Independents will never vote for him in a general election and therefore a Santorum nomination will guarantee an Obama second term.
 
kubark said:
Non sequitur.

Who cares what Chuck Shumer says.

We are talking about Rick Santorum.

You are making rationalizations and excuses for Santorum’s betrayal of conservative principles. This is becoming a trend among Santorum’s followers.

Santorum represents everything that the Tea Party rejected in the 2010 landslide congressional elections. His home state (my home state) handed him a landslide defeat in 2006 after he betrayed us time and time again on conservative principles. He had his time in the limelight and was rejected. It truly shows how arrogant he is to think that he will have better luck running for President. He may win the nomination, but conservative Independents will never vote for him in a general election and therefore a Santorum nomination will guarantee an Obama second term.
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I don’t really care. I’m going to vote for whoever the Republican party nominates this time. This year is going to be easy to decide. No problem for me. Obama has got to go.
 
_Abyssinia said:
RomneyCare was a state plan, it had bipartisan support, like from the Heritage Foundation, the whole bill is less than 100 pages etc. I do not think it is like ObamaCare.
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Ted Kennedy and other far leftists in Massachusetts loved the bill. That should have told Romney something. :o Rob
 
iloveangels said:
I don’t really care. I’m going to vote for whoever the Republican party nominates this time. This year is going to be easy to decide. No problem for me. Obama has got to go.
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Just voting for “whoever the Republican party nominates this time” is a recipe for defeat.

You are forgetting the Independent voting bloc which is composed of liberals AND conservatives. The conservative Independents are resistant to the “vote for whoever the Republican party nominates” fallacy and would rather write-in a genuine conservative on the general election ballot than having to vote for “whoever the Republican nominate.”

While conservative Independents are being alienated by the “inevitable” establishment Republican nominee, the liberal Independents will be voting for Obama by default thus ensuring him a second term.
 
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