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ProVobis
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It’s interesting that the lesser of evils is considered only in the General Election when it’s down to two.
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ishii
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Ron Paul the only moral choice? And Santorum and Rubio have murderous platforms? With such words are you trying to gain converts to the Ron Paul cause or lose them?
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ishii
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Glad you agree with me. I would say that maybe Ron Paul understands the meaning of peace through strength, but doesn’t understand the proper application of the axiom.
Paul doesn’t know the meaning of peace through strength.
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estesbob
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I dont consider the republican primary to be offereing the choice between any evils.
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Yup, because proper application requires dropping a 5,000 lb. bomb on a 20 dollar tent to kill 5 guys and then building a school in it’s place.
Republicans are great at that stuff. Democrats, however, are even better at using it to get them voted out of office.
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ishii
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Strawman: n. An argument or opponent set up so as to be easily refuted or defeated.
i.e. intellectual dishonesty.
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bbarrick8383
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I’m doing the best I can to avoid promoting any one candidate, what I’m finding even tougher is not arguing against any one candidate.
I’m not sure what the boundaries are for me here anymore without getting myself in hot water.
Monte’s gone, probably won’t be long before I am too.
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Why not trying to argue with serious arguments and in the spirit of mutual respect and understanding, instead of engaging in strawman arguments? I don’t think you’d get into hot water.
I’m doing the best I can to avoid promoting any one candidate, what I’m finding even tougher is not arguing against any one candidate.
I’m not sure what the boundaries are for me here anymore without getting myself in hot water.
Monte’s gone, probably won’t be long before I am too.
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bbarrick8383
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I can not -]talk/debate/discuss/-] “campaign” for or against any one candidate.
I’m to the point to where I’m not sure I can say anything at all about a politician.
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ishii
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You are obviously referring to something that I am not aware of. I though we were discussing the relative merits of the different foreign policies of the GOP candidates.
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RACJ
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Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, dozens of other killers did not succeed in creating mass carnage b/c their opponents were strong and intrepid, but b/c they were weak. Notice that France and England never signed nuclear disarmament treaties with each other. Wars are started by totalitarians, not duly elected officials in a republic that respects the rule of law. :rolleyes: Rob
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You gotta have a Republic that respects law first.Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, dozens of other killers did not succeed in creating mass carnage b/c their opponents were strong and intrepid, but b/c they were weak. Notice that France and England never signed nuclear disarmament treaties with each other. Wars are started by totalitarians, not duly elected officials in a republic that respects the rule of law.Rob
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LisaA
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Precisely. Victor Davis Hansen, a professsor, author and celebrated expert on the history of war has stated that the best deterrent to war is to be so strong no one dares attack you. I think that has staved off evil intent of Iran, perhaps that of Chavez and for all we know our old ‘fiend’ Putin.Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, dozens of other killers did not succeed in creating mass carnage b/c their opponents were strong and intrepid, but b/c they were weak. Notice that France and England never signed nuclear disarmament treaties with each other. Wars are started by totalitarians, not duly elected officials in a republic that respects the rule of law.
Being weak encourages attack. It was our PERCEIVED weakness the drew the 9/11 attacks. Osama saw us turn tail and run after the bombing in Lebanon and debacle in Somalia. Had we stood and fought then we would have likely prevented the misadventures of the Islamists.
Gosh I’ve gotten way off the thread. Santorum is not my first pick but having watched him in debates, I am impressed with both his grasp and plans with respect to foreign relations. Although a cliche the words “Peace through strength” have proven to be true. And before all the Paul-inista’s come blazing back, that doesn’t mean I’m for all kinds of foreign ‘adventures’ but rather think Obama’s DELIBERATE weakening of our country’s military and defense is a suicide pact. Paul’s isolationist bent while not as openly destructive as Obama’s still means I would not vote for him.
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But, everyone has been arguing that Obama has continued the Bush policies?
At least with Paul, you’d have the money to create strength.
Are we really that strong? How long can we drag these wars out before China decides to stop bankrolling us?
Sure, we have some firepower. A gun without bullets is not any better than a hammer.
Learn the difference between isolationism and foreign interventionism.
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Scott_Lafrance
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Not since I gave back my official GOP membership card.
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Scott_Lafrance
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We haven’t been one of those since Lincoln created the Imperial Presidency.
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_Abyssinia
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McCain ‘concerned’ about November
politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2012/02/mccain-concerned-about-beating-obama-114942.html
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VIDEO: Fox News panel, including Karl Rove, discuss Michigan primary and implications for Romney of possible defeat
Latest RCP national average: Santorum 33.8%, Romney 28.4%, Gingrich 14.0%, Paul 12.2%
John McCain probably meant attacks like…
Rick Santorum told voters that Mr. Romney’s leadership of the 2002 Winter Olympics amounted to pork-barrel spending and hypocrisy - WSJ
“Voter say they don’t like negative campaigning. But, although they may reject such ads consciously, that doesn’t mean they aren’t unconsciously affected” - Drew Westen for the LA Times
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Santorum picking up very few endorsements from former Congressional colleagues** - USA Today
BUT, reports USA Today: “Former Ohio senator Mike DeWine switched his support to Rick Santorum today, saying he could no longer back Mitt Romney because of his “astounding inability” to give people a reason to vote for him.” Also see the American Spectator.
Ron Paul says Santorum’s social issues are a ‘losing position’ for the GOP - National Journal
Santorum faces full on media scrutiny of his social conservatism - The Hill
“With Santorum launching one social issues bomb after another, there is no time to talk about the economy. Is this the Democratic Party’s dream, or what?” - PowerLine
](The Weekend Interview With Jeff Bell: Social Issues and the Santorum Surge - WSJ)
Matt Lewis at the Daily Caller agrees: “As much as moderate Republicans and cosmopolitan conservatives might lament the resurrection of the culture wars (which were foisted upon us, and appear to have been rekindled once again by liberal overreach), they were electorally fruitful for the GOP.”
Latest RCP national average: Santorum 33.8%, Romney 28.4%, Gingrich 14.0%, Paul 12.2%
John McCain probably meant attacks like…
Rick Santorum told voters that Mr. Romney’s leadership of the 2002 Winter Olympics amounted to pork-barrel spending and hypocrisy - WSJ
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Ron Paul blasts Santorum's 'atrocious' voting record - LA Times**
Santorum picking up very few endorsements from former Congressional colleagues** - USA Today
BUT, reports USA Today: “Former Ohio senator Mike DeWine switched his support to Rick Santorum today, saying he could no longer back Mitt Romney because of his “astounding inability” to give people a reason to vote for him.” Also see the American Spectator.
Ron Paul says Santorum’s social issues are a ‘losing position’ for the GOP - National Journal
Santorum faces full on media scrutiny of his social conservatism - The Hill
“With Santorum launching one social issues bomb after another, there is no time to talk about the economy. Is this the Democratic Party’s dream, or what?” - PowerLine
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Santorum rallies thousands at Georgia megachurch - [Washington Post](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/santorum-rallies-thousands-at-georgia-megachurch/2012/02/19/gIQAn09XOR_blog.html)
Rick Santorum denies questioning Obama's faith - [LA Times](http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-rick-santorum-obama-theology-20120219,0,3432071.story)
Santorum Criticizes Obama's 'World View,' Not Faith - [NPR](http://www.npr.org/2012/02/19/147134783/santorum-criticizes-obamas-world-view-not-faith)
Social conservatism is crucial to building a Republican majority - Jeff Bell's thinking profiled by James Taranto in the [Wall Street JournalMatt Lewis at the Daily Caller agrees: “As much as moderate Republicans and cosmopolitan conservatives might lament the resurrection of the culture wars (which were foisted upon us, and appear to have been rekindled once again by liberal overreach), they were electorally fruitful for the GOP.”
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Why Romney can, and should, win evangelical vote - Nancy French for [USA Today](http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2012-02-20/evangelicals-Mitt-Romney-Mormon/53155214/1)
[Nate Silver](http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/santorum-and-the-emphasis-on-social-issues/) says Romney has a more moderate tone on social issues but doesn't differ substantially from Santorum on policy.
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“Rick Santorum is sharpening his rhetoric against President Obama on the campaign trail, painting a picture of a president out of touch with the American people that seems aimed at tapping into fear and anger among Republican primary voters.” - CBS
Jennifer Rubin issues stark warning against Santorum
“Santorum is no Marco Rubio. Whereas Rubio expands the party’s base of support, Santorum shrinks it. Whereas women, independents and young people see Rubio as a forward-looking reformer, Santorum seems stuck in a time warp from a different era, someone chasing issues that were “lost” decades ago.” - Rubin in the Washington Post
Gingrich piles on Michigan pressure
“Newt Gingrich said Sunday that a primary loss by any of the Republican presidential candidates in their home states would be devastating to that campaign. “If any of the three of us lose our home state, if Santorum loses Pennsylvania, Romney loses Michigan or I lose Georgia, I think you have a very, very badly weakened candidacy, for any one of the three of us,” Gingrich said on “Fox News Sunday.” “I think it’s extraordinarily important to carry your own state.”” - Politico
Gingrich archives show his public praise, private criticism of Reagan - Washington Post
Newt Gingrich says his focus is on Super Tuesday - LA Times
The New York Times previews Wednesday night’s debate - the first since Santorum leapfrogged Romney in Michigan and national polls.
“About the only argument that still works for Romney among GOP insiders is that he would be less of a drag on the ticket than the strident Santorum or the mercurial Newt Gingrich.” - Walter Shapiro for TNR
Presidential candidates are always saying THIS is the most important election ever but which one really did matter most? - David Mayhew in the Washington Post
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And finally**… HotAir goes in search of a new slogan for the Obama campaign…
http://conhomeusa.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f4f7f710970b0168e7ab55b6970c-500wi
Jennifer Rubin issues stark warning against Santorum
“Santorum is no Marco Rubio. Whereas Rubio expands the party’s base of support, Santorum shrinks it. Whereas women, independents and young people see Rubio as a forward-looking reformer, Santorum seems stuck in a time warp from a different era, someone chasing issues that were “lost” decades ago.” - Rubin in the Washington Post
Gingrich piles on Michigan pressure
“Newt Gingrich said Sunday that a primary loss by any of the Republican presidential candidates in their home states would be devastating to that campaign. “If any of the three of us lose our home state, if Santorum loses Pennsylvania, Romney loses Michigan or I lose Georgia, I think you have a very, very badly weakened candidacy, for any one of the three of us,” Gingrich said on “Fox News Sunday.” “I think it’s extraordinarily important to carry your own state.”” - Politico
Gingrich archives show his public praise, private criticism of Reagan - Washington Post
Newt Gingrich says his focus is on Super Tuesday - LA Times
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Gingrich, Cain campaign together in Georgia - [MSNBC](http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/18/10444347-gingrich-cain-campaign-together-in-georgia)“About the only argument that still works for Romney among GOP insiders is that he would be less of a drag on the ticket than the strident Santorum or the mercurial Newt Gingrich.” - Walter Shapiro for TNR
Presidential candidates are always saying THIS is the most important election ever but which one really did matter most? - David Mayhew in the Washington Post
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And finally**… HotAir goes in search of a new slogan for the Obama campaign…
http://conhomeusa.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f4f7f710970b0168e7ab55b6970c-500wi
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ProVobis
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How does one justify the dropping of bombs on innocent people and call it “collateral damage” and give you the appearance of moral superiority over the enemy? It’s not only an unjust war but unjust means of conducting a war.
In retrospect, we should have perceived the intention of Osama to bankrupt as many countries as possible and deal with that aspect accordingly. The U.S. was not the only target. Look at what he did to Russia’s economy.
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