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Another sign that Rick Santorum is the new front-runner — he’s under attack from Ron Paul.
In a clever new ad, the libertarian-leaning Texas House member attacks the former Pennsylvania senator as a faux fiscal conservative.
There’s a shot at Santorum’s social conservative credentials, too — the ad claims he “even hooked Planned Parenthood up with a few million bucks.”
It’s true that Santorum voted for funding for contraception through Title X, and some of that money goes to Planned Parenthood (a group he wants to defund). But it’s hard to imagine the social conservative losing support to Paul on this issue
washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/new-ron-paul-ad-attacks-rick-santorum-is-this-dude-serious/2012/02/21/gIQAlUn8QR_blog.html

What are your thoughts on his support of Title X?

Please discuss with charity. God Bless
 
Paul Ad Falsely Claims Santorum Supports Planned Parenthood
The campaign of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has launched a new campaign ad that attacks pro-life Republican hopeful Rick Santorum and falsely claims Santorum supports funding the Planned Parenthood abortion business.
The Santorum campaign was quick to respond, with national communications director Hogan Gidley telling CNN that “for all of Ron Paul’s blustering about conservatism, the bottom line is that he’s been in Congress for decades and has not had a single accomplishment to forward the cause of conservatism. Not one.”
On Monday, on the Sean Hannity program on Fox News, Santorum himself responded to the charge.
“Look, I’m not a big fan of Title X, that is Planned Parenthood. No, I want to defund Planned Parenthood,” he told Hannity.
Santorum also said in December that he strongly supopts the most recent efforts in Congress to eliminate taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood.
“[The abortion] is an inhumanity that should not occur in this country,” Santorum said, according to the Daily Iowan. “[Tax dollars] should not be used for things that are morally objectionable.”
In fact, the record shows Santorum has a long line of votes to deny taxpayer funding for abortion and Planned Parenthood and frequently compiled 100% pro-ife voting records from the National Right to Life Committee.
During his last year as a senator from Pennsylvania, Santorum opposed a an amendment to nullify the Mexico City Policy, which Presdient George W. Bush put in place to revoke funding to Planned Parenthood to promote and perform abortions in other nations. In 2001, President George W. Bush, by executive order, adopted a policy that U.S. funds for overseas “population assistance” programs could not go to private organizations that perform abortion or promote abortion (except to save the life of the mother, or in cases of rape and incest) — for example, by working to repeal pro-life laws. Santorum, on April 5, 2005, voted against the Boxer amendment to nullify that.
Santorum also voted against funding abortions or Planned Parenthood in several other situations:
  • July 2003 – Voted to support the Mexico City Policy de-funding Planned Parenthood.
  • May 2003 – Voted against allowing abortions at tax-funded military base hospitals.
  • June 2000 – Voted against allowing abortions at tax-funded military base hospitals.
  • May 1999 – Voted against allowing abortions at tax-funded military base hospitals.
  • June 1998 – Voted against allowing abortions at tax-funded military base hospitals.
  • July 1997 – Voted against taxpayer fnuding of abortions in federal employee health insurance plans.
  • July 1997 – Voted against allowing abortions at tax-funded military base hospitals.
  • June 1997 – Voted against taxpayer funding of abrotions in the S-CHIP program
  • February 1997 – Voted against taxpayer fund of the pro-abortion UNFPA
lifenews.com/2012/02/21/paul-ad-falsely-claims-santorum-supports-planned-parenthood/
 
I’d like to see a specific response to what the Paul ad is claiming, this doesnt look like its proving the claim false, just making other claims to defend a generic accusation.
 
It’s called the Democratic Party. If the GOP is superior to the Democratic Party, then what are they doing to help the poor and middle class? I don’t see them doing anything
It is the Democrat Party. Questionable if it’s democratic,
 
I’d like to see a specific response to what the Paul ad is claiming, this doesnt look like its proving the claim false, just making other claims to defend a generic accusation.
Ron Paul’s ad is false. Santorum has never voted in support of funding Planned Parenthood. Santorum has 100% pro life National Right To Life voting record, which is more than the 50% Ron Paul has.
 
It’s called the Democratic Party. If the GOP is superior to the Democratic Party, then what are they doing to help the poor and middle class? I don’t see them doing anything
That doesn’t make the GOP worse than the Democratic Party at least the GOP defends the life of the unborn child. Protecting life is more important than helping the middle class.
 
Paul Ad Falsely Claims Santorum Supports Planned Parenthood

I’m not a big fan of Title X

lifenews.com/2012/02/21/paul-ad-falsely-claims-santorum-supports-planned-parenthood/
He Voted For Title X

tomwoods.com/blog/santorum-boasts-of-funding-planned-parenthood/

he will talk about it in the first few minuets of this video, he clearly says that he voted for title x, and he knew some of that money went to Planned Parenthood.

I understand this guy is pro life but his voting record doesn’t exact line up with his views.

below are all the bills Ron Paul sited in his Ad.

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d104:H.R.3019:

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d104:H.R.3610:

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d105:H.R.2264:

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:H.R.4577:

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:H.R.4577:

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:H.R.4577:

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.2673:

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:H.R.4814:

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.3010:
 
they merged my thread now this issue will be lost in a debate on all the candidates

but anyway santorum supporters why did he vote yes on Title X?
 
That doesn’t make the GOP worse than the Democratic Party at least the GOP defends the life of the unborn child. Protecting life is more important than helping the middle class.
but don’t through out social justice and act like its a non important issue.

Personally I dislike both parties

the GOPs stance on social justice is far from the views of the Catholic Church.

The dems stance on sanctity of life is far from the views of the Catholic Church.

Right now I’m stuck with picking out who I think best supports my views and the views of the Church and vote for him no matter what if I can vote for him. Both the GOP and the Dems are leading this country down the path of destruction we are no longer going to be the worlds largest superpower. I just hope Americans see this in time so we are alt east in the top 3 of the worlds superpowers just not the top or something.
 
Where does the GOP differ with Church Teaching on “Social Justice”
From the Catechism:

§ 1882 Certain societies, such as the family and the state, correspond more directly to the nature of man; they are necessary to him. To promote the participation of the greatest number in the life of a society, the creation of voluntary associations and institutions must be encouraged “on both national and international levels, which relate to economic and social goals, to cultural and recreational activities, to sport, to various professions, and to political affairs.” This “socialization” also expresses the natural tendency for human beings to associate with one another for the sake of attaining objectives that exceed individual capacities. It develops the qualities of the person, especially the sense of initiative and responsibility, and helps guarantee his rights.

§ 1883: Socialization also presents dangers. Excessive intervention by the state can threaten personal freedom and initiative. The teaching of the Church has elaborated the principle of subsidiarity, according to which “a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to co- ordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good.”

Bold added for emphasis. Anyway, call me crazy, but it sounds a lot like the GOP’s talking points on the issue… certainly not the left’s top-down “bureaucra-philia.”
 
From the Catechism:

§ 1882 Certain societies, such as the family and the state, correspond more directly to the nature of man; they are necessary to him. To promote the participation of the greatest number in the life of a society, the creation of voluntary associations and institutions must be encouraged “on both national and international levels, which relate to economic and social goals, to cultural and recreational activities, to sport, to various professions, and to political affairs.” This “socialization” also expresses the natural tendency for human beings to associate with one another for the sake of attaining objectives that exceed individual capacities. It develops the qualities of the person, especially the sense of initiative and responsibility, and helps guarantee his rights.

§ 1883: Socialization also presents dangers. Excessive intervention by the state can threaten personal freedom and initiative. The teaching of the Church has elaborated the principle of subsidiarity, according to which “a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to co- ordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good.”

Bold added for emphasis. Anyway, call me crazy, but it sounds a lot like the GOP’s talking points on the issue… certainly not the left’s top-down “bureaucra-philia.”
Unfortunately many on the left believe they can fulfill their obligation to care for the poor and needy by voting for someone who promises to take others money and do it for them.
 
Where does the GOP differ with Church Teaching on “Social Justice”
Well, a hyper-regressive tax system that some GOP politicians support, with no capital gains tax, in a world where starvation and poverty are widespread, certainly doesn’t “jive” well with Catholic social teaching. But I admit, I don’t know what the “official” party tenet is on the matter, or if it has one. Parties are psychological crutches for the wek-willed and feeble-minded (notice the pun I’m taking from Freud, nly he used it to describe religion; I think mine’s better).

So, in that particular example, that is a policy view a GOP presidential candidate, new Gingrich, holds. Newt Gingrich holds views that are inconsistent with Church teaching. I’ve no doubt about that.

If the GOP actually lists its ‘official positions’ on every matter, I don’t know what the website is. Enough seem to oppose the existence of a capital gains tax to make it "Republican thing.’

Also, the general Republican stance on the environment, pollution, etc. is also inconsistent with Catholic teaching, simply put. Again, I don’t know what the official position is "on paper. "
 
Well, a hyper-regressive tax system that some GOP politicians support, with no capital gains tax, in a world where starvation and poverty are widespread, certainly doesn’t “jive” well with Catholic social teaching. But I admit, I don’t know what the “official” party tenet is on the matter, or if it has one. Parties are psychological crutches for the wek-willed and feeble-minded (notice the pun I’m taking from Freud, nly he used it to describe religion; I think mine’s better).
The Church has no postion on the proper tax structure nor the rate of tax that should be charged. If you can reference a Church document supporting what you say above please do so.
So, in that particular example, that is a policy view a GOP presidential candidate, new Gingrich, holds. Newt Gingrich holds views that are inconsistent with Church teaching. I’ve no doubt about that.
What specificallu our views Newt gingrich holds that are contrary to Chirch teaching?
If the GOP actually lists its ‘official positions’ on every matter, I don’t know what the website is. Enough seem to oppose the existence of a capital gains tax to make it "Republican thing.’
Again the church has no position on the proper capital gains rate.
Also, the general Republican stance on the environment, pollution, etc. is also inconsistent with Catholic teaching, simply put. Again, I don’t know what the official position is "on paper. "
What specifically does the GOP promote about the enviroment that is contrary to church teaching? A link would be helpful. Usually the answer we get is some nonsense answer along the lines “The Pope says we whould care for the enviroment and the GOP wants to destroy the world as we know it”. The truth is the church neither endorses eithe party’s stance on taxes, the enviroment or to how best care for the poor and needy. OTH the Church specifially condemns the Democrat party stances on abortion, Homosexual behavior, fetal stem cell research, homosexual marriage, homosexaul adoption, and forced coverage of contraception and abortion pills.
 
Well, a hyper-regressive tax system that some GOP politicians support, with no capital gains tax, in a world where starvation and poverty are widespread, certainly doesn’t “jive” well with Catholic social teaching. But I admit, I don’t know what the “official” party tenet is on the matter, or if it has one. Parties are psychological crutches for the wek-willed and feeble-minded (notice the pun I’m taking from Freud, nly he used it to describe religion; I think mine’s better).

So, in that particular example, that is a policy view a GOP presidential candidate, new Gingrich, holds. Newt Gingrich holds views that are inconsistent with Church teaching. I’ve no doubt about that.

If the GOP actually lists its ‘official positions’ on every matter, I don’t know what the website is. Enough seem to oppose the existence of a capital gains tax to make it "Republican thing.’

Also, the general Republican stance on the environment, pollution, etc. is also inconsistent with Catholic teaching, simply put. Again, I don’t know what the official position is "on paper. "
How is encouraging investment (no/low capital gains tax) inconsistent with Church teaching? I’m scratching my head right now…

Anyway, the GOP has yet to publish a 2012 platform, but here’s the official 2008 platform.

On the environment, they say: “The same human economic activity that has brought freedom and opportunity to billions has also increased the amount of carbon in the atmosphere. While the scope and long-term consequences of this are the subject of ongoing scientific research, common sense dictates that the United States should take measured and reasonable steps today to reduce any impact on the environment. Those steps, if consistent with our global competitiveness will also be good for our national security, our energy independence, and our economy…”

It goes on, but you get the idea. I’m curious where you’ll find anything inconsistent with what the Church teaches. It sounds responsible, sensible, and far from the extreme/reactionary approach the left has toward development.
 
All levels of government should tax any man they deem rich an amount equaling 50 percent of his income or thier will be widespread starvation, disease and riots!!! Oh my, we should all be liberals or else face the destruction we will have brought upon ourselves for not taking enough of other peoples money!!

Behold the time had come, full support of Obama so that we may live in the glory of the wealth that has been given to us to make us an ant hill of happiness, a bee hive of workers doing everything we must do for the greater good of the queen bee and her hive!
 
I hate having to come to defend the Republican party BUT…
Well, a hyper-regressive tax system that some GOP politicians support, with no capital gains tax, in a world where starvation and poverty are widespread, certainly doesn’t “jive” well with Catholic social teaching. But I admit, I don’t know what the “official” party tenet is on the matter, or if it has one. Parties are psychological crutches for the wek-willed and feeble-minded (notice the pun I’m taking from Freud, nly he used it to describe religion; I think mine’s better).
Technically, if I work and earn money, that money is MINE, not the states. Catholic social teaching does not require massive government bureaucracies and oppressive confiscatory tax policies to satisfy its call for “social justice”. I agree with you about the "parties are crutches for the feedble-minded however.
So, in that particular example, that is a policy view a GOP presidential candidate, new Gingrich, holds. Newt Gingrich holds views that are inconsistent with Church teaching. I’ve no doubt about that.
Can you prove this?
If the GOP actually lists its ‘official positions’ on every matter, I don’t know what the website is. Enough seem to oppose the existence of a capital gains tax to make it "Republican thing.’
gop.com/index.php/issues/issues/
Also, the general Republican stance on the environment, pollution, etc. is also inconsistent with Catholic teaching, simply put. Again, I don’t know what the official position is "on paper. "
Can you point to the actual GOP position, the corresponding Catholic teaching, and demonstrate where the GOP strays from the official teaching on environment, pollution, etc… I mean, you know how silly it sounds to say “Well, I don’t know what the official GOP position on it is, but I know its wrong…”
 
they merged my thread now this issue will be lost in a debate on all the candidates

but anyway santorum supporters why did he vote yes on Title X?
please someone comment on this I’ll talk about social justice but please I want to discuss this issue.
 
From the Catechism:

§ 1882 Certain societies, such as the family and the state, correspond more directly to the nature of man; they are necessary to him. To promote the participation of the greatest number in the life of a society, the creation of voluntary associations and institutions must be encouraged “on both national and international levels, which relate to economic and social goals, to cultural and recreational activities, to sport, to various professions, and to political affairs.” This “socialization” also expresses the natural tendency for human beings to associate with one another for the sake of attaining objectives that exceed individual capacities. It develops the qualities of the person, especially the sense of initiative and responsibility, and helps guarantee his rights.

§ 1883: Socialization also presents dangers. Excessive intervention by the state can threaten personal freedom and initiative. The teaching of the Church has elaborated the principle of subsidiarity, according to which “a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to co- ordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good.”

Bold added for emphasis. Anyway, call me crazy, but it sounds a lot like the GOP’s talking points on the issue… certainly not the left’s top-down “bureaucra-philia.”
it doesn’t say no intervention by the state you are saying excessive intervention. I can definitely see where it is a little excessive sometimes by the dems, but some of their stuff could actually help the poor.

Personally, while it may not be the case with every republican, I believe sometimes republicans are more conceded about the well being of the economy then the sufferings of the poor.

Btw your responses to the question seem to be attacking how the Dems seem to overemphasis social justice, but you don’t talk about how the GOP really is the closet to the teachings of the Church on Social Justice. Its not a either the Dems or the GOP have it right, they both could have it wrong. But for the sake of the poor I think it can be better to do to much then do nothing at all.
 
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