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Unfortunately many on the left believe they can fulfill their obligation to care for the poor and needy by voting for someone who promises to take others money and do it for them.
YES! It’s so much fun to play Lady or Lord Bountiful with someone else’s money! You can clearly see this is Obama’s version of the Gospel…from those whom much is given, the government will taketh away and giveth to my supporters! Choo choo trains! Green cars! I love spending OPM!

BLECH…can we please get rid of this guy?

Lisa
 
please someone comment on this I’ll talk about social justice but please I want to discuss this issue.
Mr Santorum is a stalwart on life issues for the most part but quite honestly he is a politician above all. He has made a number of shall I say questionable votes and supported questionable candidates—against both Conservative principles and against conservative Candidates. Quite honestly I believe he voted for Title X for the same reason he voted AGAINST RIGHT TO WORK LAWS…because it pandered to some constituancy but wasn’t so out there that the pro-life people would scream. IOW to get re-elected. Washington corrupts.

Lisa
 
Mr Santorum is a stalwart on life issues for the most part but quite honestly he is a politician above all. He has made a number of shall I say questionable votes and supported questionable candidates—against both Conservative principles and against conservative Candidates. Quite honestly I believe he voted for Title X for the same reason he voted AGAINST RIGHT TO WORK LAWS…because it pandered to some constituancy but wasn’t so out there that the pro-life people would scream. IOW to get re-elected. Washington corrupts.

Lisa
and this is why I don’t like Santorum he is just another politician who does things for the votes instead of for the people.
 
please someone comment on this I’ll talk about social justice but please I want to discuss this issue.
Catholictiger, I found this in Lifenews. Sadly it seems he wants it both ways…yeah I voted for Title X but I don’t like PP…well then why not demand that PP be defunded instead of voting for millions of dollars going to this organization? Really disappointed in Santorum hearing about this vote:

**Although Santorum voted for funding for Title X family planning efforts, he has opposed funding the Planned Parenthood abortion business, funding abortions with taxpayer funds and has joined the effort to revoke all funding for Planned Parenthood via Title X.

On Monday, on the Sean Hannity program on Fox News, Santorum himself responded to the charge.

“Look, I’m not a big fan of Title X, that is Planned Parenthood. No, I want to defund Planned Parenthood,” he told Hannity.**
 
That doesn’t make the GOP worse than the Democratic Party at least the GOP defends the life of the unborn child. Protecting life is more important than helping the middle class.
The reason why you’re given candidates to vote on is because they want you to vote for candidates. If there is a vote for the general party somewhere on the ballot, then it would be a different matter. I know several Democrats who are pro-life and some Republicans who are pro-choice. Saying GOP or DEM does this or not doesn’t mean every candidate follows his party’s platform to the letter. But you knew that, I hope.
 
The reason why you’re given candidates to vote on is because they want you to vote for candidates. If there is a vote for the general party somewhere on the ballot, then it would be a different matter. I know several Democrats who are pro-life and some Republicans who are pro-choice. Saying GOP or DEM does this or not doesn’t mean every candidate follows his party’s platform to the letter. But you knew that, I hope.
Well yeah, but I mean officially the GOP is pro-life and the Democratic Party is pro-choice, and there are very few pro-life Democrats from what I know. 🤷
 
but don’t through out social justice and act like its a non important issue.

Personally I dislike both parties

the GOPs stance on social justice is far from the views of the Catholic Church.

The dems stance on sanctity of life is far from the views of the Catholic Church.

Right now I’m stuck with picking out who I think best supports my views and the views of the Church and vote for him no matter what if I can vote for him. Both the GOP and the Dems are leading this country down the path of destruction we are no longer going to be the worlds largest superpower. I just hope Americans see this in time so we are alt east in the top 3 of the worlds superpowers just not the top or something.
Well, the thing is the right to life is more important than all of the other issues. But I agree with you on how both parties have issues.
 
The Church has no postion on the proper tax structure nor the rate of tax that should be charged. If you can reference a Church document supporting what you say above please do so.
I know it’s not a Church document from the Vatican, but this Economic Justice for All document the USCCB put out in 1986 calls for a progressive tax structure. But you don’t have to agree with it.
 
Well, the thing is the right to life is more important than all of the other issues. But I agree with you on how both parties have issues.
as one of my teachers said once “Catholics shouldn’t have a political home in america.” No party out there right now really support Catholic Teaching across the board.
 
Well yeah, but I mean officially the GOP is pro-life and the Democratic Party is pro-choice, and there are very few pro-life Democrats from what I know. 🤷
You mean there are few pro-life Democrats who win elections. 🙂
 
as one of my teachers said once “Catholics shouldn’t have a political home in america.” No party out there right now really support Catholic Teaching across the board.
No party in America ever has. 🤷 That’s one of the problems with a two party system–it’s harder to find a party that is closest to your ideology.
 
You are partly correct about insurance. Yes the larger the pool, the more risk is spread. But the idea of a SINGLE payer means no competition, great opportunities for corruption and frankly tyranny. This is one of the great problems with Obamacare and it’s IPAB. An unelected ‘board’ determining what individual doctors are allowed to do for their patients! You really want your healthcare in the hands of the same people who brought you the DMV or the Post Office?

It is the COMPETITION that brings down insurance rates and helps keep them efficient. When I as an employer look at various plans for my employees, I go with the company that provides the coverage they want/need for the lowest price. If there were only a “one size fits all” plan for the entire country, it would be over the moon in price and inefficiency. Bureaucrats deciding what my employees need for insurance? I don’t think so!

Lisa
Excellent points. As Dave Barry wrote in I’ll Mature When I’m Dead:

" … our healthcare system is a terrible mess. It’s expensive, wasteful, inefficient, unresponsive and infested with lawyers. Which is why there has been a big push, in some quarters, to place it under the management of…

the federal government.

This is like saying if your police department has a corruption problem, the solution is to turn law enforcement over to the Sopranos."

Ishii
 
You are partly correct about insurance. Yes the larger the pool, the more risk is spread.
True, and this is where state-sponsored high-risk pools may eventually win out. (Some are administered by the privates or co-ops like Blue Cross, though.) Don’t forget, as it still stands, privates exclude the sickest. They can’t make money on them, remain competitive and stay on the NYSE.
 
Personally, while it may not be the case with every republican, I believe sometimes republicans are more conceded about the well being of the economy then the sufferings of the poor.
Since when are the well-being of the economy and addressing the sufferings of the poor mutually exclusive? That is the fundamental mistake well-meaning people make. A strong, robust economy will help those who are poor find a job more easily. Plus, a robust economy will help people contribute more to charities - if I got laid off, I wouldn’t be able to donate as much to charity as I do now.
Btw your responses to the question seem to be attacking how the Dems seem to overemphasis social justice, but you don’t talk about how the GOP really is the closet to the teachings of the Church on Social Justice. Its not a either the Dems or the GOP have it right, they both could have it wrong. But for the sake of the poor I think it can be better to do to much then do nothing at all.
But how do you measure “doing too much” ? Is it based on how much of my money is confiscated and then given to a bureaucracy to redistribute to others? We are called to help the poor. However, if the government takes $1000 from a rich guy and lets $20 trickle down to a poor guy (and makes him dependent on that money) that doesn’t relieve you or me from our obligation to help the poor with our own time and money. The Democrat policy to “help” the poor is really “trickle down charity” with others’ money. It is time we stop measuring compassion by how much a party supports confiscating others’ money. We need to measure compassion for the poor by what we ourselves are doing.

Ishii
 
I know it’s not a Church document from the Vatican, but this Economic Justice for All document the USCCB put out in 1986 calls for a progressive tax structure. But you don’t have to agree with it.
We have a very progressive tax structure. The top 25% of earners pay 84% of all federal income taxes. 43% pay none at all-in fact the Govt spends 100 billion a year paying refunds to people who owe no Federal income tax
 
We have a very progressive tax structure. The top 25% of earners pay 84% of all federal income taxes. 43% pay none at all-in fact the Govt spends 100 billion a year paying refunds to people who owe no Federal income tax
But, but…we need a progressive tax code!!
 
as one of my teachers said once “Catholics shouldn’t have a political home in america.” No party out there right now really support Catholic Teaching across the board.
True, but we have to vote for someone. I vote/support the party that is closest to Church teaching on both life and social issues. Don’t let the perfect become the enemy of the good.
 
Santorum yesterday:

“‘Will you be the generation that sat on the sidelines and watched as candidate after candidate comes up and the national media takes their ax out to try to destroy them in every way possible as they’ve done with every single Republican candidate and as they will between now and the election?’ he asked. ‘And will you sit on the sidelines and say, ‘Boy that’s not fair,’ or will you stand up and fight back for freedom?’”

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