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Twenty-seven days. That’s how long it has been between the 19th and 20th Republican presidential debates.

But that ends Wednesday, when former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Rep. Ron Paul of Texas face off at a debate hosted by CNN and the Republican Party of Arizona at the Mesa Arts Center.

A lot has changed in the battle for the GOP nomination since the last debate, a CNN-Republican Party of Florida showdown in Jacksonville on January 26. Romney went on to win big in Florida and Nevada, while Gingrich, who had just scored an impressive victory in South Carolina, faded fast.

cnn.com/2012/02/22/election/2012/arizona-debate/index.html

This will be the final debate before Super Tuesday.

Current polls show: Romney Leads in Arizona, Tied in Michigan
 
I can’t help but think this is make it or break it for Santorum. The other candidates on the stage tonight are “vetted.” Santorum, not so much in the public eye. If he does well tonight, he may even win Arizona. If he doesn’t knock it out of the park tonight, I think we are looking at a Romney nomination. It may take a while for Romney to lock it down, but I don’t see Santorum recovering from a mediocre night tonight.

Gingrich is done I think. His strategy going forward is a 30 min commercial (a 30 min commercial??? Who is going to watch such a thing but his supporters?)
 
Santorum yesterday:

“‘Will you be the generation that sat on the sidelines and watched as candidate after candidate comes up and the national media takes their ax out to try to destroy them in every way possible as they’ve done with every single Republican candidate and as they will between now and the election?’ he asked. ‘And will you sit on the sidelines and say, ‘Boy that’s not fair,’ or will you stand up and fight back for freedom?’”

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No way. I am working to help get elected my candidate of choice.
 
Since when are the well-being of the economy and addressing the sufferings of the poor mutually exclusive? That is the fundamental mistake well-meaning people make. A strong, robust economy will help those who are poor find a job more easily. Plus, a robust economy will help people contribute more to charities - if I got laid off, I wouldn’t be able to donate as much to charity as I do now.
lets say the economy in 2012 has a 5% increase does that increase alone help a single mother of 2 who has no job get food for her and her two kids?

or does it help the unemployed guy who has no health insurance but just came down with a life threatening illness? (no i’m not calling for obama care)

does it help the middle class elderly couple who is in debt up to their ears, and only one can work a low end job that pays minimum wage?

there may be less poor but there will still be poor, and those who are poor are still going to struggle to get money they are still going to struggle to pay for medical expense and pay of debts, and while a 5% increase in GDP may help them in the long term it won’t do anything for the immediate short term.

I don’t think its up to the government to make sure the poor are feed the, the sick are taken care of, and so on and so forth. But I don’t think the government should put in a system that makes it very difficult for the poor to get out of the situation they are in, but helps the economy boom. You have to put in a system that finds a balance a system that provides a small safety net but no enough to live on, a system that gives the ability for the poor to come out of poverty and have no road blocks set up that will make it difficult to come back, some happen today. Lastly have a system that will encourage economic growth without sacrificing the two things I just mentioned.
But how do you measure “doing too much” ? Is it based on how much of my money is confiscated and then given to a bureaucracy to redistribute to others? We are called to help the poor. However, if the government takes $1000 from a rich guy and lets $20 trickle down to a poor guy (and makes him dependent on that money) that doesn’t relieve you or me from our obligation to help the poor with our own time and money. The Democrat policy to “help” the poor is really “trickle down charity” with others’ money. It is time we stop measuring compassion by how much a party supports confiscating others’ money. We need to measure compassion for the poor by what we ourselves are doing.
I don’t know I would say maybe when the governments intervention in your life makes it to difficult for you to live a good catholic life and support your own life style along with charity and such. I think the catechism explains it well go back and look at it.

and I think government job is more to set up systems that help the poor, like a tax structure that doesn’t discourage increases in salary. Setting up a system that doesn’t make it impossible for people with bad credit histories to make purchases. Providing some safety nets that those who are the worst of the worst won’t be left out on the street to fend for themselves. Setting up safety nets could simply be providing funds for the local St. Vincent De Paul Charity. Along with other things. I don’t think the government should do nothing and let people do everything. While the people should do the most the government still has a job to help the poor.
 
I know it’s not a Church document from the Vatican, but this Economic Justice for All document the USCCB put out in 1986 calls for a progressive tax structure. But you don’t have to agree with it.
we don’t have to listen to anything the USCCB says even though we should take it into consideration. Personally I don’t think the church should EVER give specifics when it comes to politics. outline the important stuff protect life help the poor and so on and so forth but specifics of how to do it is up to the people in government.

But here is my views on the progressive tax. I HATE IT, plane and simple.

here is the tax structure for this country
0-8700 10%
8700-35350 15%
35350-85650 20%
85650-178650 25%
178650-338350 30%
338350 and above 35%

sometimes when you jump to a new bracket you actually make less even with a raise

I thought they still did it but they use to make you pay 10% of the lowest then your tax rate

now its just what ever your tax rate is

so its not as bad as it use to be but I still think the current tax structure isn’t as good I rather see a flat tax or a consumption only tax.
 
True, but we have to vote for someone. I vote/support the party that is closest to Church teaching on both life and social issues. Don’t let the perfect become the enemy of the good.
I won’t I still vote for who is the closest, there are only a couple of no vote policies I have, that is if none is pro life on the bill I won’t vote for either, if both support Gay marriage. Maybe some other life issues, but most issues are just if they support them cool if not It will effect my decision but it won’t cause me to vote against them if they are the best candidate
 
The progressive tax system is purely a vote buying mechanism. Nothing else.
Actually it should be called “The CPA full employment Act” I just finished my 150th Tax return-this is the one time of the year I LOVE the tax system.
 
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Santorum yesterday:

“‘Will you be the generation that sat on the sidelines and watched as candidate after candidate comes up and the national media takes their ax out to try to destroy them in every way possible as they’ve done with every single Republican candidate and as they will between now and the election?’ he asked. ‘And will you sit on the sidelines and say, ‘Boy that’s not fair,’ or will you stand up and fight back for freedom?’”

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Please pray for Rick Santorum and his family! I so admire him for standing up for what he believes in. I pray for a hedge of protection around him.
 
Actually it should be called “The CPA full employment Act” I just finished my 150th Tax return-this is the one time of the year I LOVE the tax system.
So, we can call our tax code a “bailout” for accountants?

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Actually it should be called “The CPA full employment Act” I just finished my 150th Tax return-this is the one time of the year I LOVE the tax system.
True. This is my most bounteous time of the year. 👍
 
I can’t help but think this is make it or break it for Santorum. The other candidates on the stage tonight are “vetted.” Santorum, not so much in the public eye. If he does well tonight, he may even win Arizona. If he doesn’t knock it out of the park tonight, I think we are looking at a Romney nomination. It may take a while for Romney to lock it down, but I don’t see Santorum recovering from a mediocre night tonight.

Gingrich is done I think. His strategy going forward is a 30 min commercial (a 30 min commercial??? Who is going to watch such a thing but his supporters?)
Expect Romney to come out swinging–in his own stilted, plastic style–against Santorum. What an embarrassment it would be to Romney if Santorum wins either Michigan or Arizona. If the latter wins both, we have a whole new race. Ultimately, however, as I noted much earlier, it is not impossible for the two to join forces on a single ticket. Stranger things have happened in politics.
 
I can’t help but think this is make it or break it for Santorum. The other candidates on the stage tonight are “vetted.” Santorum, not so much in the public eye. If he does well tonight, he may even win Arizona. If he doesn’t knock it out of the park tonight, I think we are looking at a Romney nomination. It may take a while for Romney to lock it down, but I don’t see Santorum recovering from a mediocre night tonight.

Gingrich is done I think. His strategy going forward is a 30 min commercial (a 30 min commercial??? Who is going to watch such a thing but his supporters?)
Rick Santorum has only been allowed to “speak” in the last two debates. He was largely ignored in the previous debates.

Rick Santorum is a strong and intelligent debater. He doesn’t backtrack. He is logical and methodical, honest, walks the talk. He will be grilled on some of his votes as a senator, but he can handle it.
 
Expect Romney to come out swinging–in his own stilted, plastic style–against Santorum. What an embarrassment it would be to Romney if Santorum wins either Michigan or Arizona. If the latter wins both, we have a whole new race.
You are right, and this will hurt Romney. I do think Santorum will win Arizona, maybe even Michigan.

I think we already have a whole new race.
 
The progressive tax system is purely a vote buying mechanism. Nothing else.
Precisely. Raising and lowering tax rates, deductions, credits, etc. make it the perfect political tool. They know that one’s pocketbook is the ultimate voting decider and will keep as many taxes on the books as possible. You won’t hear too many politicians advocating the elimination of any of the taxes, be it income, property, sales, or otherwise.
 
Precisely. Raising and lowering tax rates, deductions, credits, etc. make it the perfect political tool. They know that one’s pocketbook is the ultimate voting decider and will keep as many taxes on the books as possible. You won’t hear too many politicians advocating the elimination of any of the taxes, be it income, property, sales, or otherwise.
look up the fair tax there are a few politicians who are big for this, IDK if anyone running for president is for it but there are some who look to eliminate the income tax and replace it with a consumption tax. Apparently the government gives everyone a couple thousand a year or something in it. Supporters of this tax system think its the one perfect system. When discussing this with people I struggled to find issues with the system. I believe even the yes systems have issues, I think this one could put to much pressure on the poor but they say the money that is given to them by the government fixes the problem.
 
At this point, I’d have to say that I’m backing Santorum, but I’ll vote for whomever eventually gets the nomination.

I can’t help but think Republicans need a do over with this one.
 
look up the fair tax there are a few politicians who are big for this, IDK if anyone running for president is for it but there are some who look to eliminate the income tax and replace it with a consumption tax.
But it doesn’t eliminate the revenue altogether; it merely creates a whole new set of winners and losers. Your pocketbook should tell you which one you are.

That said, IMO the first tax they need to eliminate is the PROPERTY tax. We live in a country where holding unleveraged property, be it real estate, gold, or bananas, like life and liberty, should be esteemed not penalized.
 
But it doesn’t eliminate the revenue altogether; it merely creates a whole new set of winners and losers. Your pocketbook should tell you which one you are.

That said, IMO the first tax they need to eliminate is the PROPERTY tax. We live in a country where holding property, like life and liberty, should be esteemed not penalized.
I guess that would be a 10th Amendment issue, since property (personal and real) are handled at the state level.
 
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