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JimG
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I haven’t followed it that closely, but it seems to me that Santorum’s beliefs are pretty much just Catholic beliefs.
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JimR-OCDS
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WHat he expressed on Sunday’s National programs about JFK’s speech and mis-stating Obama’s words and calling him a snob, are not Catholic beliefs.
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He_Man
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As though the Church will ever have a stance on someone’s snobbishness, or someone’s words in a quote. Try harder.
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havana1
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Four words. *“It’s The Economy, Silly.” * (Catholics care about the economy, too, don’t they?) Whoever stops talking about the economy will lose the election and guarantee four more years for Obama. That’s more and more likely each passing day.
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JimR-OCDS
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The Church believes in the seperation of Church and state and opposes bearing false witness against others.
Hope this helps.
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meltzerboy
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I’m not necessarily either a Santorum or Romney supporter, but at least the former HAS beliefs and convictions! (I know, so did Hitler and Stalin, as well as Obama.) I’m just not sure what beliefs Romney has exactly, and that is why, I think, instead of having broad appeal among conservatives, moderates, and liberals, he’ll wind up having less appeal across the political spectrum.
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He_Man
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Separation of Church and State is supported by the Church,and solidly endorsed by Santorum. Obama’s the one who doesn’t know what the statement means, nor do his anti-anything-religious-or-God-related supporters.The Church believes in the seperation of Church and state and opposes bearing false witness against others.
Hope this helps.
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You basically said without mentioning political issues the Church opposes sin. Profound. When Mary, the Mother of Jesus runs for President, PM me. Until then, we can discuss political issues and the Church’s stance, and how the only candidate who is a miserable failure in this regard is the one who conned himself into office in 2008.
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Alan55
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Santorum called Obama a snob for his statements in support of a college education for everyone. The Church has no official position on the matter, of course, but U.S. Catholics have been very supportive of higher education for their children and don’t think of it as being snobs. It was a dumb think for Santorum to say.
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Alan55
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Romney believes that he’d like to be President.
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JimR-OCDS
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Santorum said that when he read JFK’s statement in his 1960 Speech, about the seperation of church and state, it made him want to throw-up.
Santurom claimed Obama said that he wanted every American to go to college as being a snob. Problem is, Santorum was shown that Obama didn’t say this, but that he desired that American students have the opportunity to go on to higher education, whether it be college, technical training or trade school, (I’m paraphrasing here).
So, Santorum either lied about what Obama said, or was mislead himself, which is problematic for a man who wants to be president, but he responded by making a personal attack against the man calling him a snob.
Go watch This Week with George Stephanopoulas, and see Santorums perfomance.
It’s not in line with Catholic teaching and every Catholic should’ve cringed hearing him.
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He_Man
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Dumb is your opinion, and a fine one to have. Not something the Church has or will ever speak definitively on though, so not relevant to his point.
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He_Man
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I’ll watch later to be fair to the discussion. Obama said some ridiculous things campainging as well, and still had Catholics lining up to elect him. Country is doing really well, too…
Regardless though, he is still so much more in line with Catholic teaching than Obama that if that is the deciding factor, he’d be a no-brainer.
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ellipsis2
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I don’t understand you first sentence at all. But if I understand you second sentence correctly, I disagree with it. The church has spoken out on education by the very fact that they started Catholic school and universities. Or did I totally misread what you are saying?
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Scott_Lafrance
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Why was it a dumb thing to say. Having a college education is highly overrated.
meltzerboy
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From a practical perspective of getting a decent job, having a college education is probably NOT highly overrated, unless you’re a Bill Gates or a Walter Cronkite. From an educational perspective, it probably IS highly overrated, and I say this as a professor. However, it depends largely on the quality of the faculty and the motivation of the student.
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ellipsis2
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I agree with your statement. Unless Santorum wanted the populace to be discussing his views on education, it was a dumb thing to say. I don’t consider home schooling to be the best way to educate one’s child though.
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ringil
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Depends on what one studies. The current unemployment rate among the college educated is 5%.
A Bachelors in Art History or Philosophy maybe not so useful.
Overall, higher education, whether through a four year college, a vocational school, or aprenticeship is invaluable. I know that my kid is going to pursue higher education come hell or high water, unless she turns out to be dumb as a bag of hammers.
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ishii
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I agree. Except to say that while a liberal arts degree might not immediately translate into a specific career (maybe teaching), if one is motivated, ambitious and doesn’t easily get discouraged, the degree can give one a solid foundation of communication skills that can be applied to a variety of careers.Depends on what one studies. The current unemployment rate among the college educated is 5%.
A Bachelors in Art History or Philosophy maybe not so useful.
Overall, higher education, whether through a four year college, a vocational school, or aprenticeship is invaluable. I know that my kid is going to pursue higher education come hell or high water, unless she turns out to be dumb as a bag of hammers.
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Nec5
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Another meaningless statistic trotted out as truth. Yes, but what kind of employment is it?
Many people with degrees today have to settle for the jobs that people without degrees used to have (parking attendants, waiting tables, etc). After all, most employers would rather have someone with a degree than not when taking a chance on a hire. The degreeless are now more likely to be unemployed. That’s not a glowing endorsement of college education. But you won’t here this reported in the news. All you hear is that 5% stat, which really is a lie. Kind of like how there is no inflation because we no longer count food and energy prices.
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