Republican senator announces support for gay marriage

[Prodigal_Son1]

Really?

So God does not want us to protect our children from the same-sex/transgender agendas implemented in the public schools?

Is that your official stance in here?:ehh:

That’s why I am ending our discussion. Spinning what one says does not make one wrong, or right.

God Bless,

 

[Cor_Cordis]

I read the Douay-Rheims primarily. I compare it to the Catechism, read the Catholic commentaries, and I also do comparisons to two Aramaic to English translations, two King James versions, an RSV, Greek interlinear, the Vulgate, and others.

Please stop being condescending with me.

Stop being obtuse with me.

I just presented you with counter-argument scripture and the catechism and current examples.

So why do you still refuse to listen?

 

[Cor_Cordis]

Apparently you don’t.

You just called the Catechism’s own description of the depravity of homosexuality into question.

No I didn’t. I am ending our discussion.

God bless you on your journey.

Oh really?

Call someone depraved and ask if they can see the love of Christ in you.

Love one another as He loves us. Beam, mote, without sin, etc. They don’t contradict. They don’t call us to strike vengeance for Him, or find instructions that we are His justice.

The Catechism:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as*** acts of grave depravity***,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

That’s why I am ending our discussion. Spinning what one says does not make one wrong, or right.

God Bless,

The Scriptures and the Catechism do not spin, my friend.

May The Good Lord help you to eventually discern His Truth.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

We teach the little ones. He does not require our protection, and has not asked us to provide His vengeance, or justice.

We are obliged as Christians to protect our children (His little ones) against depravity and we are obliged to warn our brothers and sisters against a depraved lifestyle that will result in the necessity of His vengeful justice.

See how that works?

 

[Julianna]

Really?

So God does not want us to protect our children from the same-sex/transgender agendas implemented in the public schools?

Is that your official stance in here?:ehh:

Public schools are made up of the “public”. In America, we have a separation of Church and State. Render to Caesar what is his and to God what is His.

Parents of children need to be the teachers of their children and remain strong in their faith. You can live in this world and not be of this world. If you are content in your own fishbowl, then so be it. You are right, there is no discussion on gay marriage and you have sighted many references. We, as in those who are of the Christian faith, know the rules on gay marriage. It is not to be and that’s it. However, in society, there are different laws, civil laws which do allow homosexuals to form a legal union. You may choose to swim around your bowl and watch the world go by. Jesus taught his apostles to be fishers of men. With your hit em over the head ideals, you won’t get many jumping into your fishbowl to hear what you have to say.

Parents have options if they do not want their child in public schools.

 

[JimG]

. . . . You cannot ‘accept with respect, compassion, and sensitivity,’ and discriminate at the same time. A ‘just discrimination’ is not taught in the Catechism. It is not something to be parsed so that we can ignore what we would.

But of course you can.

One can, for example, discriminate against adulterers by not giving them the exact same rights as spouses. One can discriminate against unsafe drivers by refusing to renew their driver’s licenses. One can discriminate in favor of real marriage as opposed to fake marriage. In none of those cases is one required to treat anyone with anything other than respect, compassion, and sensitivity. One can treat with sensitivity and respect an unsafe driver or an adulterer, and still not desire to approve what they do.

 

[Julianna]

Stop supporting his uncharitable judgments of me.

You have no power over me. Are you kidding me? Prodigal was not uncharitable. I am free to support whomever I choose.

You shall know them by their love.

Sen Portman loves his son.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

Public schools are made up of the “public”. In America, we have a separation of Church and State. Render to Caesar what is his and to God what is His.

Parents of children need to be the teachers of their children and remain strong in their faith. You can live in this world and not be of this world. If you are content in your own fishbowl, then so be it. You are right, there is no discussion on gay marriage and you have sighted many references. We, as in those who are of the Christian faith, know the rules on gay marriage. It is not to be and that’s it. However, in society, there are different laws, civil laws which do allow homosexuals to form a legal union. You may choose to swim around your bowl and watch the world go by. Jesus taught his apostles to be fishers of men. With your hit em over the head ideals, you won’t get many jumping into your fishbowl to hear what you have to say.

Parents have options if they do not want their child in public schools.

Really?

Then why should the parents’ tax dollars go to supporting schools that foster and advocate depravity?

In the majority of states, the people voted down these laws. It was the well-funded militant gay-fascists who got these laws into place by activist judges and activist legislators.

And separation of church and state is a misnomer fostered by the Left. It’s real purpose is to protect the churches from the intrusive clutches of the state. But beyond that, where exactly in the Constitution do we find the basis for “marriage equality”?

And if the states decide that incest, pederasty, and pedophilia are suddenly “lawful” - then what?

 

[Cor_Cordis]

You have no power over me. Are you kidding me? Prodigal was not uncharitable. I am free to support whomever I choose.

That was very proud and uncharitable of you.

You shall know them by their love.

And you just passed judgement upon the intentions of my heart. That was incredibly uncharitable,

 

[Julianna]

Really?

Then why should the parents’ tax dollars go to supporting schools that foster and advocate depravity?

In the majority of states, the people voted down these laws. It was the well-funded militant gay-fascists who got these laws into place by activist judges and activist legislators.

And separation of church and state is a misnomer fostered by the Left. It’s real purpose is to protect the churches from the intrusive clutches of the state. But beyond that, where exactly in the Constitutional do we find the basis for “marriage equality”?

And if the states decide that incest, pederasty, and pedophilia are suddenly “lawful” - then what?

I was going to respond…but then I would have to apologize to the good people on this thread for derailing it.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

I was going to respond…but then I would have to apologize to the good people on this thread for derailing it.

Trust me. I’ve heard all the arguments before. In fact, I use to make them. I’m a former liberal progressive.

 

[InSearchofGrace]

Public schools are made up of the “public”. In America, we have a separation of Church and State. Render to Caesar what is his and to God what is His.

Parents of children need to be the teachers of their children and remain strong in their faith. You can live in this world and not be of this world. If you are content in your own fishbowl, then so be it. You are right, there is no discussion on gay marriage and you have sighted many references. We, as in those who are of the Christian faith, know the rules on gay marriage. It is not to be and that’s it. However, in society, there are different laws, civil laws which do allow homosexuals to form a legal union. You may choose to swim around your bowl and watch the world go by. Jesus taught his apostles to be fishers of men. With your hit em over the head ideals, you won’t get many jumping into your fishbowl to hear what you have to say.

Parents have options if they do not want their child in public schools.

You are not the first to misapply the meaning of “separation of church and state” which is easily solved if you read this brief explanation.

As to your last sentence, what recourse do tax paying parents have if or when they are not capable of sending their children to private schools of their choice so that their kids don’t get indoctrinated with pro-gay teaching that is against their Christian belief, and unable to take on the demands of home schooling?
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[seakelp]

You are not the first to misapply the meaning of “separation of church and state” which is easily solved if you read this brief explanation.

As to your last sentence, what recourse do tax paying parents have if or when they are not capable of sending their children to private schools of their choice so that their kids don’t get indoctrinated with pro-gay teaching that is against their Christian belief, and unable to take on the demands of home schooling?
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Interesting link - I will be sure to read it later.

To be fair to the other poster, there are more possible Constitutional issues at stake here than just the Establishment Clause. 14A’s equal protection clause, as well as a possible issue of substantive due process are equally at play.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

By extension and relation to the moral depravity of the topic at hand, this is more than a little relevant. The same inroads in the psychiatric field that led to the normalization of homosexuality back in 1973, is now underway with pedophilia:

Pedophilia: Bringing Dark Desires To Light

“This is radical stuff. But there is a growing conviction, notably in Canada, that pedophilia should probably be classified as a distinct sexual orientation, like heterosexuality or homosexuality.”

uch:

 

[Seeker1961]

By extension and relation to the moral depravity of the topic at hand, this is more than a little relevant. The same inroads in the psychiatric field that led to the normalization of homosexuality back in 1973, is now underway with pedophilia:

uch:

Yes, because a relationship between two consenting adults is EXACTLY the same as raping a child…

 

[Julianna]

Yes, because a relationship between two consenting adults is EXACTLY the same as raping a child…

I know, huh…

 

[catholicbuch]

Yes, because a relationship between two consenting adults is EXACTLY the same as raping a child…

Straight statutory rape whether it’s man doing it with teenage girl or woman doing it with teenage boy are both bad and deserve = punishment. Homosexual statutory rape is worse because many gays were victims of homosexual statutory rape in youth and this causes adult homosexual conduct & transexuality. It’s undebatable truth that if a person’s a victim of childhood sex abuse, then it’s more likely they’ll will do gay/lesbian conduct & transexuality repeating what he learned. Many gay child molesters were victims of homosexual rapes when they were boys such as by gay priests. Punishment for sex abuse should be more when it’s gay/lesbian & transexual.

 

[Julianna]

You are not the first to misapply the meaning of “separation of church and state” which is easily solved if you read this brief explanation.

As to your last sentence, what recourse do tax paying parents have if or when they are not capable of sending their children to private schools of their choice so that their kids don’t get indoctrinated with pro-gay teaching that is against their Christian belief, and unable to take on the demands of home schooling?
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My children attended Catholic school. I worked there. I paid full tuition for both. The parishes that supported the school had a fund for parents who wanted their kids to go to the school, but it would have been a budget buster. The parishes kicked in and afforded families the ability to send their children to the Catholic School. Protestant schools also have this type of funding.

The Principal of the school and I were discussing vouchers at a teachers meeting. It was the talk of the time back in the late 80’s early 90’s. The Principal was a nun, not that it makes any difference…,.,but she said something that just left me blinking…when I told her the gov should offer such vouchers so that parents have a choice where to send their child.

She said (paraphrasing)…it is not a good idea. Because there will be “conditions” on the vouchers, we will have to comply with government discipline, education parameters, curriculum verification etc. etc. The government will regulate the vouchers so that the purpose and function of a Catholic education will be watered down. This is not a good idea. She cited an example of a child who had discipline problems, expelling that child would be long process…another example is …“at our school we do not have the resources to educate, BEH, EMH, children with severe learning disabilities, autism, etc.”

My son is HFA, and he struggled…a lot. I concluded that she was right. The government vouchers would come with strings. Strings and conditions that the money coming in with the vouchers would not solve.

I have a good friend who taught at the Baptist School in town. And her pastor just about echoed Sister Mary’s sentiments to the T.

Something to think about.

Oh, btw, I can count 3 students, whom I am in touch with to this day (adults now), who are gay. All are living with a partner. It may not mean anything to you…I am expecting “oh so what”. Yep, exactly, “so what.”

 

[Julianna]

Straight statutory rape whether it’s man doing it with teenage girl or woman doing it with teenage boy are both bad and deserve = punishment. Homosexual statutory rape is worse because many gays were victims of homosexual statutory rape in youth and this causes adult homosexual conduct & transexuality. It’s undebatable truth that if a person’s a victim of childhood sex abuse, then it’s more likely they’ll will do gay/lesbian conduct & transexuality repeating what he learned. Many gay child molesters were victims of homosexual rapes when they were boys such as by gay priests. Punishment for sex abuse should be more when it’s gay/lesbian & transexual.

rape is rape darlin’ Punishment fits the crime. Although some escaped their punishment…for whatever reason.