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Walt2000,
Cazayoux last posted on November 13th on this thread I think he moved on
 
c659smith said:
As a reply is that the Catholic Church is not wrapped up into any one book of the Bible but reads all as one.

To understand Catholism is to know why.

While most all other protestant demoninations await Jesus 2nd coming and Catholics agree that He will come again to judge the living and the dead and to prepare oneself for the curtain to be unveiled on the new earth and heaven.

The Catholic Church has Christ in the Church and Christ is the Church.

My friends it is called the Eucharist.

The Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus. Yes Jesus Himself, not a symbol.
I take Jesus into my body and He lives in me and I in Him as Jesus taught us to do in the Bible over and over again.

I will take care of my soul now and be ready should the time come during my lifetime but my revelation is occurring now while I am alive and when this body no longer is alive that I am acceptable to look upon the face of Jesus and have eternal life.
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I agree ,and if I were you I would stay out of Revelations unless you want a head ache.
 
walt2000,

re: “I spent over 35 years studying Revelations at lest 10 hours a day…”

Any particular reason for adding an “s” at the end of Revelation?
 
Hay your kind of Britte.not to many people catch that.
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   .Revelations  is in the plural.

 That is the little scroll ,sweet as honey in the mouth,bitter in the stomach .In other words the telling of the Seven Thunders.Told to the church's.seven separate story's told seven different ways .
That is why It could not be figured out for just under 2000 years walt2000
 
Catholic_Dude said:
It started with the “reformers”, ie the first protestants like Luther. They had to find ways to smear the CC in order to make his position seem credible, what better way to keep people away from the CC than to scare them. The historic protestant creeds contained explicit passages that the Pope was the AC. Smear tactics like this have fueled protestantism from the start.
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Protestants did not start it. They continued it - they did not start it. That is one thing they cannot be accused of 😃​

The suggestion that Popes can be antiChrists won’t fit all of the details of NT antichrists, but it does fit some: the idea is not without foundation. Especially when one compares the NT details of what a Christian should be like, to some of them. The NT condemns all of us as antiChrists - not just the Roman Popes.
 
Are we not off thread here?
The prods. Don’t under stand Revelations,for one thing,and If they are referring 666 to the pope, their propagating ignorance with arrogance. They know not of germatria ,and they are pushing stupidity with stupidity.Both St.Jerome ,and pope St.Gregory wrote extensively about germatira and it’s significance in scripture.
Sir Isaac Newton wrote more about germatria, and numbers in Scripture, then he did about the theory of gravity .walt2000
 
Pope St.Gregory wrote extensively about germatira and it’s significance in scripture.
Sir Isaac Newton wrote more about germatria, and numbers in Scripture, then he did about the theory of gravity .

So how come germatria is treated as a sin.in the church.walt2000
 
josephdavid said:
Why do Protestants keep professing Revelations 13 as the Catholic Church to be the Anti-Christ?
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This idea comes from a misinterpretation of Daniel 2 by both Catholic’s and Protestant’s. They believe that the fourth kingdom of iron and clay is Rome. I know that it’s impossible for that interpretation to be correct
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Because of this misinterpretation, the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns is believed by most Protestant’s to be symbolic of the European Union. Many believe Solana’s is the antichrist.

Most Protestant’s believe that the two horned beast is symbolic of the end time religion of both beast. It’s believed that the Pope will unite the world’s religions into one new age type of religion.
I don’t believe either the Protestant or Catholic view of Prophecy.

The beast(s) depicted in these verses, as well as all the verses of prophecy, have only one religion written all over them…

Islam

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Special_Ed said:
This idea comes from a misinterpretation of Daniel 2 by both Catholic’s and Protestant’s. They believe that the fourth kingdom of iron and clay is Rome. I know that it’s impossible for that interpretation to be correct
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Because of this misinterpretation, the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns is believed by most Protestant’s to be symbolic of the European Union. Many believe Solana’s is the antichrist.

Most Protestant’s believe that the two horned beast is symbolic of the end time religion of both beast. It’s believed that the Pope will unite the world’s religions into one new age type of religion.
I don’t believe either the Protestant or Catholic view of Prophecy.

The beast(s) depicted in these verses, as well as all the verses of prophecy, have only one religion written all over them…

Islam

SE
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Revelation 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Judah is the Whore of Babylon.

Ezekiel 23:17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.

Matthew 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

Matthew 22:20-21 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
The Beast is a Great Gentile power of the world, as was Syria, and united with the 10 Horns of Israel scattered to the Gentile Nations.

Isaiah 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

1 Kings 11:31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
Together the Whore and the Horned Beast rule the world as the False Prophet with 2 Horns, Jews + Gentiles. The same coalition of people that sent Jesus to the cross, the very first Antichrist.
Quran 5:51 O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

The Quran is saying, when you see this appear, don’t take the Beast and Whore as a friend. Those faithful to God and Jesus who are Christians and Jews will also see the truth and renounce that False Prophet too.
 
Judah is the Whore of Babylon.
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The Beast is a Great Gentile power of the world, as was Syria, and united with the 10 Horns of Israel scattered to the Gentile Nations.
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I don’t agree,

Rev. 11:1 ¶And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
The reason why John is told not to measure the court without the temple is because the Muslim’s will have possession of it. (Dome of the Rock area)
The ten horns are Arab/Muslim “gentiles”!

Rev.17:1 ¶And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
In today’s world, it is Muslim radicals and jihadist that have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

At 1.5 billion, Islam is Babylon the Great because Islam has infiltrated it’s evil false religion into every country on the planet with the goal of converting all of it’s governments to Islam. If the US would have banned Islam, we would not be guilty of spiritual fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
The beast this woman (religion) sits upon is the coming ten nation Islamic empire that is alll Islamic. This 10 nation empire will form around the time Israel is invaded for the last time by these Islamic countries. Islam is certainly full of the names of blasphemy.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

There is no other way for the harlot’s cup to be filled with with abominations and filthiness of her fornication than that of suicide bombers who detonate explosives and kill innocent people and expect to recieve virgins in paradise for their evil deeds. The harlot is not only symbolic of a city but also of dillusional Islamic jihadist who fill her golden cup in hopes to obtain virgins in paradise.

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

No mystery here… Islam…Babylon the Great, a primitive religion that has given birth to all the little Islamic harlot’s scattered across the globe, who are willing to detonate the most sophisticated weapons in the world to obtain their evil goals.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

In our day, Islam is the only religion who hates all unbelievers and christians enough to kill them. When I see Muslim’s celebrating in the streets after a deadly suicide bombing…I say they are drunken with the blood of the saints.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
 
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.Notice that it is those who’s names are not written in the book of life…(MUSLIM’S) that wonder when they behold the beast. The beast that ascends from the bottomless pit? Maybe the one who ascends out of the bottomles pit…the beast that was, and is not…is the “mahdi” or maybe it is Muhammed.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
The woman, also symbolic of (radical) Islam…and mountains, symbolic of countries…

The beast is seven Islamic countries. Islam sits upon, or is the predominate religion all Mid-East countries. Seven countries will unite creating the Islamic beast of the harlot.

Rome is excluded here because the hills around Rome are too small to be designated as “mountains”. This is probably symbolic of East Jerusalem…The dome of the Rock…or the Al’aqsa mosque. WHY? Because this is from where the Muslim antichrist and false prophet will conduct their abominations from. Islam will turn God’s Holy City into a harlot as they conduct worldwide jihad from there. That’s why John was told not to measure the outer court!

If this link works, you will see who will make up this two and ten horned beast.

bibleprophecyrevealed.us/2003/mecca.html

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…(MUSLIM’S) do hold the holy place of the Jew.I know this is speculation ,hay It sounds good.And they are fighting Christians. walt2000
 
walt2000 said:
…(MUSLIM’S) do hold the holy place of the Jew.I know this is speculation ,hay It sounds good.And they are fighting Christians. walt2000
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Muslims believe Jesus will return to kill the Antichrist. There is only one religion in the whole world that allows every kind of belief except for Jesus, and that is Judaism. A Jew can be a Buddhist or Hindu, or even an atheist, and still be accepted by Jews. But Jews are rejected when they believe Jesus.

So Judah was the Whore in Ezekiel and it hasn’t changed, she has had seven husbands which are the Great Gentile powers ruling over her since Babylon. Then in the end she will rule with them against belief in Jesus with her own False Messiah.

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Ezekiel 23:33 Thou shalt be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, with the cup of astonishment and desolation, with the cup of thy sister Samaria.

Ezekiel 23:45 And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
 
Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.with the cup of thy sister

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.well you got this wrong ,I know for a fact .You do not understand the structure of Revelations,let alone.To make those comments.
on the interp.of the individual elements of Revelations.
And Revelations is the thread here,not running down the Jew .

and that makes the rest of what you have questionable .walt2000
 
walt2000 said:
Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.with the cup of thy sister

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.well you got this wrong ,I know for a fact .You do not understand the structure of Revelations,let alone.To make those comments.
on the interp.of the individual elements of Revelations.
And Revelations is the thread here,not running down the Jew .

and that makes the rest of what you have questionable .walt2000
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I am talking about Revelation. There is only one group of people said to have adultery against God and carried away to Babylon. So the Whore is Jews unfaithful to God and taking on Gentile ways, they have always been the Whore of Babylon, in the OT and NT. Not all Jews, but those who say they are Jews but fight against God. That is the Whore.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

If you think I am wrong, tell me what you know for facts. Maybe you can show me otherwise.
 
I’m going to ask you nicely to stop quoting scripture. It does nothing for those of the Christian/Catholic faith except reinforce the belief that non-Christians twist the bible around to fit their own agenda… which is PRECISELY what you are doing. None of those scriptures you quoted mean what you say they mean. Try sticking with what you know and defend your faith from YOUR FAITH’s stand point. Try quoting the Qu’ran and explain to us what the verses mean. That’s what everyone here wants to know when it comes to inter-faith dialogue. We want to know what YOU believe and why. We do NOT need someone not of our faith quoting scripture, explaining it’s meaning, etc. when you are not of that faith. I would never be so bold and presumptuous to quote ANY verse from the Qu’ran and then tell YOU, a Muslim, what you believe and what it means. Do you see, even a little bit, how disrespectful you are behaving? I will leave scripture teachings to my priest, Rome, my catechism teacher, etc. and I will thank you kindly to please do the same. As I have stated before… we do not need someone, not of our faith, telling us what WE believe. We already know what we believe. That’s why we are Catholic/Christian. We want to know what YOU believe and why. Your behavior only reinforces our beliefs. Correct me if am wrong but there isn’t a book of Revelation:Chapter 13, written by John, in the Qu’ran. Since this is what the OP is about, I think we should stick to the topic at hand. I beg of you, please stop, please.
 
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