Rick Santorum Thread

[Sonic]

People who do not support Paul are every bit as enlightened and every bit as intelligent as Paul supporters are–they just reached different conclusions and that likely has NOTHING to do with Fox News.

I love his claim that it is impossible for Libertarians to be racist. That’s a nice horoscope argument for you. It cannot be verified or disclaimed. It works on the assumption that somewhere someplace there are perfect Libertarians, and leaves open for the possibility that anyone who doesn’t live up to the ideal established in the “social vision” isn’t a true Libertarian ( and possibly a Fox News shill). Conspiracy much?

So if you point out a self identified Libertarian who holds racist views, they will always be decried as being false Libertarians.

I read these topics, and I can’t help but see Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira’s theories on Revolution and Counter-Revolution being played out.

 

[sharptiger999]

a “well-formed catholic conscience” i.e. he believes more closely to catholic ideology than Paul?

Do you need government to define for you any other voluntarily contract you partake in your life? Why do you want the government to force upon it’s people whatever the mob rule thinks of a particular thing? Are people not free to voluntarily contract with each other?

I assume you like the 1st amendment and the right to free speech. That being said, I’m sure you (as would I) abhor the way in which some use it, such as Westboro Baptist Church targeting military funerals. However, people are free and are granted certain rights because we are free - that doesn’t mean we must endorse the way in which they use those rights.

The principled question is, are people not able to voluntarily contract with each other? Or do you like big brother telling you what to do?

 

[sharptiger999]

People who do not support Paul are every bit as enlightened and every bit as intelligent as Paul supporters are–they just reached different conclusions and that likely has NOTHING to do with Fox News.

I definitely know it influences many older people. I apologize and won’t blanket that though again. But back to the issue. What is something racist that HE has done or said?

 

[kubark]

I love his claim that it is impossible for Libertarians to be racist. That’s a nice horoscope argument for you. It cannot be verified or disclaimed. It works on the assumption that somewhere someplace there are perfect Libertarians, and leaves open for the possibility that anyone who doesn’t live up to the ideal established in the “social vision” isn’t a true Libertarian ( and possibly a Fox News shill). Conspiracy much?

So if you point out a self identified Libertarian who holds racist views, they will always be decried as being false Libertarians.

I read these topics, and I can’t help but see Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira’s theories on Revolution and Counter-Revolution being played out.

“I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism” - Ronald Reagan, 1975.

By the way, it is possible for anyone to be racist, including a libertarian. What’s your point?

 

[Sonic]

As I tried to make clear, I am not going anywhere. I just have no desire to speak about this topic with you. I feel you, and other Ron Paul supporters, have displayed some hostility, I apologize if that offends you. I applaud your right to support anyone you desire, I just wish I detected the same from the many Ron Paul supporters present here. After all, this is a Catholic site, and for Catholics it should be a reasonably friendly place to have a conversation.

Just use your ignore filter. You will no longer be able to see those posts anymore. I know I can’t. The posts will gloriously disappear and you can continue to discuss with others in peace.

If the posts persist on being hostile, then report the posts to the moderators.

 

[kubark]

Just use your ignore filter. You will no longer be able to see those posts anymore. I know I can’t. The posts will gloriously disappear and you can continue to discuss with others in peace.

If the posts persist on being hostile, then report the posts to the moderators.

You can’t silence the truth.

And continued, baseless, slanderous, undocumented claims of “hostility” WILL be reported to the moderators.

 

[rlg94086]

Just use your ignore filter. You will no longer be able to see those posts anymore. I know I can’t. The posts will gloriously disappear and you can continue to discuss with others in peace.

If the posts persist on being hostile, then report the posts to the moderators.

Wow…that is glorious.

 

[ishii]

Perhaps if war was fought in our own cities and across our fields we would not be so eager to use it as an option.

Well, maybe we fight in other places rather than wait for the war to come to our own cities and fields! I’d rather fight abroad instead of wait for our enemies to come to us.

I will not vote for Rick Santorum in the primary, but I probably would in the general election if he was nominated.

I wouldn’t vote for Ron Paul in the primaries but I’d vote for him in the general - I think.

Ishii

 

[estesbob]

Well, maybe we fight in other places rather than wait for the war to come to our own cities and fields! I’d rather fight abroad instead of wait for our enemies to come to us.

I wouldn’t vote for Ron Paul in the primaries but I’d vote for him in the general - I think.

Ishii

Me too. In spite of his supporters.

 

[stewstew03]

He is hate filled. It does not take long to realize that if you listen to him. It is not possible or a moral person to support him.

Please explain what you mean when you describe Sen. Santorum as “hate-filled.”

 

[Mudgely]

I am a strong Santorum supporter, I think he is the best in the entire GOP field, and yes I consider myself to be a moral person. So, I suppose to rebutt that, you will have to claim I am not moral.

i am not supportive of bigots. good luck with your candidate. i would like to see him get the nomination because i think he would be defeated easily.

 

[qui_est_ce]

i am not supportive of bigots. good luck with your candidate.

Could you back up that statement?

 

[Scalia]

Fascinating. Thanks for posting it. Like you, I’m apparently outside of the “mainstream.” To bad Rick isn’t a faithful follower of Rev. Wright, then he would be a more viable, “maintream,” candidate.

 

[stewstew03]

Could you back up that statement?

I’m guessing that when people like Mudgely advance ad hominem attacks and describe Sen. Santorum as hate-filled and bigoted, it means they disagree with him and would prefer that others do the same.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Santorum determined to stay competitive in race

“Rick Santorum aimed to make good on his promise to work harder than any other candidate in the Republican race, trekking to four stops in southeastern South Carolina on Thursday where many communities are isolated on islands or cut off by ocean inlets.” - CNN

Rick Santorum’s South Carolina team revels in momentum - Washington Post

Pro-Santorum group increases TV buy in S.C. - USA Today

 

[estesbob]

I’m guessing that when people like Mudgely advance ad hominem attacks and describe Sen. Santorum as hate-filled and bigoted, it means they disagree with him and would prefer that others do the same.

I suspect it means they are Ron Paul supporters

 

[kubark]

Has Rick Santorum ever given an adequate explanation for why he endorsed the pro-choice Arlen Specter over the pro-life Pat Toomey?

Has Rick Santorum ever given an adequate explanation for why he supported the unconstitutional, unnecessary, preemptive war in Iraq in spite of the guidance and writings of Pope John Paul II and then Cardinal Ratzinger on the matter at the time?

Attention!! estesbob, irishpatrick, sonic, etc: these are not “hostile” questions.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Has Rick Santorum ever given an adequate explanation for why he endorsed the pro-choice Arlen Specter over the pro-life Pat Toomey?

Has Rick Santorum ever given an adequate explanation for why he supported the unconstitutional, unnecessary, preemptive war in Iraq in spite of the guidance and writings of Pope John Paul II and then Cardinal Ratzinger on the matter at the time?

Attention!! estesbob, irishpatrick, sonic, etc: these are not “hostile” questions.

Yes.

 

[kubark]

Yes.

Yes what?

 

[qui_est_ce]

Yes what?

Has Rick Santorum ever given an adequate explanation for why he endorsed the pro-choice Arlen Specter over the pro-life Pat Toomey?

Has Rick Santorum ever given an adequate explanation for why he supported the unconstitutional, unnecessary, preemptive war in Iraq in spite of the guidance and writings of Pope John Paul II and then Cardinal Ratzinger on the matter at the time?

Attention!! estesbob, irishpatrick, sonic, etc: these are not “hostile” questions.

Yes, I agree with his explanations. You may not, but I do. I don’t agree that the war in Iraq was unconstitutional or unnecessary. I believe Saddam Hussein himself was a weapon of mass destruction. Remember, Congress approved the invasion. Hans Blix told us there were weapons of mass destruction.