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Charlotte408 said:
Can someone help me understand what is happening here?

m.jezebel.com/5873158/rick-santorums-anti+abortion-stance-would-have-killed-his-own-wife?tag=politics
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Karen Santorum did not have an abortion and Rick Santorum did not authorize one:

lisagraas.com/blog/2012/01/04/karen-santorum-did-not-have-an-abortion-and-rick-santorum-did-not-authorize-one/

Report in the Boca Raton News:

news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1291&dat=19970504&id=N0FUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Uo4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6457,703980

and the Philadelphia Inquirer: articles.philly.com/1997-05-04/news/25562508_1_fetal-abnormality-controversial-late-term-abortion-procedure-intact-dilation-and-extraction

Rick Santorum was within hours of deciding whether to have to use an abortion to save the life of his wife, Karen Garver Santorum, who was in her fifth month of pregnancy.
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Ultimately, they did not have to make a decision; nature made it for them. Karen went into premature labor brought on by infection, delivering a boy who had a fatal abnormality.
Santorum said at the time to Goldstein:
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If that had to be the call, we would have induced labor if we had to. I consider it a blessing that we didn’t have to make that decision.
Inducing labor to save a woman’s life is not the same as abortion, abortion is direct intention to kill the child.
 
Santorum Rises in New Hampshire

Rick Santorum has hit double digits in New Hampshire and is the only candidate in the field to show gains for four consecutive days, according to the latest Suffolk University/7News two-day tracking poll of likely Granite State voters in the Republican presidential primary. Mitt Romney still holds a strong lead with 40 percent, followed by Ron Paul (17 percent). Santorum, who came within a few votes of winning the Iowa caucus, has jumped from 3 percent just before the Iowa vote to 11 percent in the latest two-day New Hampshire tracking poll. Newt Gingrich (9 percent) is currently in fourth place followed by Jon Huntsman (8 percent) and Rick Perry (1 percent), while 15 percent were undecided.

weeklystandard.com/blogs/santorum-rises-new-hampshire_616114.html
 
_Abyssinia said:
Jezebel is a known pro abortion website, and this is low even for them to start a malicious rumor.

Karen Santorum Did Not Have An Abortion and Rick Santorum Did Not “Authorize” One

Now that Rick Santorum has had his big political success in Iowa, the knives have come out. There is a story being circulated that this champion of life authorized an “abortion” for his wife Karen. The term “abortion” is not always understood. I have lost a child to miscarriage myself, but the doctor did not put “miscarriage” on the paperwork about it. He used the term “spontaneous abortion” even though the child died naturally, as did Gabriel Santorum, one of the sons of Rick and Karen Santorum. When we are speaking about abortion in the context of law, not medicine, the term “abortion” refers to willful and direct intentional killing of an unborn child in the womb.

Read “Gabriel’s Story” by Karen Santorum.
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[INDENT]I am married to United States Senator Rick Santorum, who in 1996 led the debate on a bill to ban partial-birth abortion—which even several pro-choice senators refer to as “infanticide”. The procedure is justified by its advocates as necessary in cases of fetal abnormalities detected late in pregnancy. They implied that Rick had no right to speak on the issue because it had not not touched his life.

One week later at a routine sonogram, the 20 week old baby in my womb was diagnosed with a defect that is always fatal without surgery. Through our immense heartache came the most basic of parental emotions: We had to save our child. After many tests it was determined our son was eligible for the operation that could save his life. It was a success, but an infection developed in the amniotic sac, and I was rushed to the hospital with a high fever, having contractions. I begged the doctors to stop my labor, but they said it would be malpractice, for I would surely die since these infections are untreatable.

Gabriel Michael Santorum was born at 12:45 AM on Friday, October 11, 1996. He was a beautiful boy. He did not give a cry or open his tiny eyes. We baptized him, bundled him, and held him ever so close. We sang to him, held his little hands and kissed him. Gabriel lived for two hours. In those two hours something simple but profound happened. Rick and I became parents to a newborn baby and welcomed him into our family. That was all….but it was everything. His life was so brief, yet his impact so great. In two hours we experienced a lifetime of emotions. Love, sorrow, regret, joy—-all were packed into that brief span. To have rejected that experience would have been to reject life itself.
There is no truth to the claim that “Karen Santorum had an abortion”. There is also no truth to the claim that Rick Santorum “authorized an abortion” for his wife. He has said that he would have agreed to inducing labor if it had been necessary to save his wife’s life. Inducing labor to save the life of a woman is in no way, shape or form “abortion”. Abortion is the willful and direct intentional killing of an unborn child.

Even beyond the practice of inducing labor, the removal of an ectopic pregnancy is not “abortion” in that the direct action is to remove a part of the mother’s body with the intention of saving her life. The death of the child is unintentional and indirect and is, therefore, not abortion. In like manner, removal of a cancerous uterus of a pregnant woman is not “abortion” because the intent is to remove a part of the woman’s body, not to kill the child.

Willful and direct killing, including the willful and direct killing in every abortion, is murder. It is the ultimate rejection of life. The story of Rick and Karen Santorum and their son Gabriel is, to the contrary, a story of ultimate openness to life. It is for this reason that they were awarded the Poverello Medal, the highest non-academic award given by the orthodox Catholic university Franciscan University of Steubenville.
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lisagraas.com/blog/2012/01/04/karen-santorum-did-not-have-an-abortion-and-rick-santorum-did-not-authorize-one/
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Excellent find … needs to be submitted or forwarded to everyone so they know the truth.
 
Santorum’s blue collar message gets thumbs up from Mike Gerson, David Brooks and Charles Krauthammer

“Rick Santorum is not just an outspoken social conservative; he is the Republican candidate who addresses the struggles of blue-collar workers and the need for greater economic mobility.” - Mike Gerson in the Washington Post

“One of Santorum’s strengths is that he understands that a nation isn’t just an agglomeration of individuals; it’s a fabric of social relationships” - David Brooks in the New York Times

Santorum “is the first challenger to be plausibly presidential: knowledgeable, articulate, experienced, of stable character and authentic ideology” - Charles Krauthammer in the Washington Post

“With equal passion, Santorum pledges both to end abortion and revive American manufacturing (albeit through tax cuts, not the trade barriers Buchanan favored). Within minutes at the same appearance, he can alternately sound like Pat Robertson and Dick Gephardt.” - Ronald Brownstein for National Journal

Santorum cast himself as an advocate for blue-collar workers and their economically troubled communities - WSJ

Santorum’s weaknesses

Iowa’s Republicans who wanted to beat Obama didn’t vote for Santorum - Washington Post

Politico focuses on his 2006 defeat in Pennsylvania: “By the time of his nearly 18-point loss — a stunning margin for a two-term incumbent — he had also alienated women voters, moderate Republicans and independents — not to mention the Democrats he had once won over. He lost almost every region of the state and almost every demographic group, including the blue-collar workers he singles out on the campaign trail in 2012.”

Santorum was shouted at and booed by college students Thursday after a heated exchange on gay marriage - WSJ

“He was great at delivering the GOP message, but then he would say outrageous things and get himself into trouble” - Roll Call probes a Jekyll and Hyde character to Santorum

As a senator, Santorum was not averse to earmarks: He made sure Pennsylvania got its share of pork - NRO

When he lost his 2006 re-election bid, Rick Santorum built a lucrative career in the private sector based largely on income from businesses his work in Congress had benefited - New York Times

South Carolina Primary Rasmussen Poll: Romney 27%, Santorum 24%, Gingrich 18%

New Hampshire Primary Rasmussen Poll: Romney 42%, Paul 18%, Santorum 13%, Huntsman 12%

New Hampshire: Suffolk Poll shows Santorum up 4 consecutive days to 11 percent. Romney 40 percent, Paul 17 percent

New Time/CNN poll in SC: Romney 37%, Santorum 19%, Gingrich 18%, Paul 12%, Perry 5%, Huntsman 1%:

lifenews.com/2012/01/06/santorum-south-carolina-bump-romney-27-rick-24-newt-18/

Rick Santorum, Racist — It’s a Lie by Kathryn Lopez

Lies, Damned Lies, and NPR by Shannen Coffin

The Slanders Against Santorum Clarify the Real Conflict by David French

Greg Hengler of TownHall: “An interesting interview with Robert Traynham, Rick Santorum’s former aide of ten years appeared on today’s Hardball with Matthews. Traynham tells Chris, “I was openly out to him.” and then goes on to defend Rick’s character and beliefs. An important interview considering the angle the media and the Democrat Party will take in trying to sink Santorum’s campaign.”

Traynham defending Rick Santorum to Chris Matthews:

youtube.com/watch?v=N0_CAjhz6a0
 
Keep something in mind, as long as Romney keeps pulling sub-50% returns in these primaries he probably can’t win the nomination in the first vote. There aren’t enough “winner take all” Republican primaries for that. The party adopted a rule for Proportional Allocation of delegates in all primaries prior to April 1, so 28 of the 50 states (including Texas, excluding Florida) are already split up by percentages. Many other states after April 1st also have proportional rules or break delegate election down county-by-county.

That means if a Paul-Romney-Santorum-others split continues onward that means it goes to the Convention and after the first vote all the delegates get cut loose. Then it is a free-for-all until someone can get a clean majority of convention delegates - even a compromise candidate that wasn’t on the initial ballot.

That convention nominee in such a scenario won’t be Mitt Romney and it won’t be Ron Paul. Heck, you could wind up with Allen West nominated for president if it comes down to the convention. Romney’s team has to try as hard as humanly possible to chase every other candidate out of the primaries before Super Tuesday or he’s toast.
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LiveCatholic said:
Here is the interview in question between Bill-O and Mr. Santorum, just in case any of you want the actual LINK [please include the LINK, and make the title of the post match the title of video/story–OTHERWISE ITS NOT NEWS!]

Mr. Santorum on Bill-O (Interview)

In Bill-O’s defense, I get the feeling that many of his questions are actually ‘opportunities’ for sympathetic guests to address the controversial issues they’ve faced. In this case, Bill-O is playing the ‘conservative, but uncommitted or lapsed Catholic.’

Therefore, these aren’t his opinions necessarily, but those of the voters Mr. Santorum is trying to sway. On the other hand, Mr. Romney is running an econo-centric campaign, and will probably put social and faith issues on the back-burner. So the right-wing media establishment more favorable to Mr. Romney’s secular + hyper-fiscal conservatism might be intentionally giving the more outspokenly social conservative candidate a tough run.

Fox in general has also deliberately tried to re-center itself after the last election and in the post-Glenn Beck-era.

FWIW, Bill-O’s description of the Catholic Church’s teaching on contraceptives was sickening. Something just felt wrong about it, especially when he flatly describes it as ‘man-made.’
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I watched it when it aired. I loved the look on Santorum’s face when O’Reilly said this
As you know, Bill, you’re a Catholic, Catholic Church teaches contraceptive is something you shouldn’t do.
O’REILLY: I know, I know but it’s… that’s the question majority of Catholics…
SANTORUM: So when I was asked the question on contraception I said I didn’t support it.
O’REILLY: Ok but the majority of Catholics do not follow that and it’s almost like a meat on Friday thing, it’s not that Jesus said it. It’s not a dogma. It’s a doctrine made by man.
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uh huh. I have a much clearer picture of O’Reilly now.

transcript foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2012/01/05/rick-santorum-enters-no-spin-zone
 
mlund said:
Keep something in mind, as long as Romney keeps pulling sub-50% returns in these primaries he probably can’t win the nomination in the first vote. There aren’t enough “winner take all” Republican primaries for that. The party adopted a rule for Proportional Allocation of delegates in all primaries prior to April 1, so 28 of the 50 states (including Texas, excluding Florida) are already split up by percentages. Many other states after April 1st also have proportional rules or break delegate election down county-by-county.

That means if a Paul-Romney-Santorum-others split continues onward that means it goes to the Convention and after the first vote all the delegates get cut loose. Then it is a free-for-all until someone can get a clean majority of convention delegates - even a compromise candidate that wasn’t on the initial ballot.

That convention nominee in such a scenario won’t be Mitt Romney and it won’t be Ron Paul. Heck, you could wind up with Allen West nominated for president if it comes down to the convention. Romney’s team has to try as hard as humanly possible to chase every other candidate out of the primaries before Super Tuesday or he’s toast.
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No Marty, the big money is all behind Willard, and there is NO WAY that they would allow a good man of principle such as Santorum to prevail in a split convention. The fix is in, unless we the people stop it! Romney put 27 Democrat judges out of 36 nominations on the Ma. bench, so OF COURSE the elitists love him, and know his conservative talk is pabulum coming from his mouth to fool the naive and win the nomination. :rolleyes: Rob
 
qui_est_ce said:
I saw the original interview. I think O’Reilly was playing devil’s advocate for the kind of questions Rick Santorum will face.
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There is no way to know what Bill O’Reilly’s intentions were, unless he states what they were. However, it seemed to me that Santorum caught him off guard a few times, and it even seemed Bill was a bit frustrated by Rick’s responses. I hope that is a good thing.
 
RACJ said:
No Marty, the big money is all behind Willard, and there is NO WAY that they would allow a good man of principle such as Santorum to prevail in a split convention. The fix is in, unless we the people stop it! Romney put 27 Democrat judges out of 36 nominations on the Ma. bench, so OF COURSE the elitists love him, and know his conservative talk is pabulum coming from his mouth to fool the naive and win the nomination. :rolleyes: Rob
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WE have our vote, and in Iowa we saw how powerful that can be.
 
I’ve got big problems with Santorum… His vows to destroy the social safety net (preferential option for the poor), his ideas on immigration (the Church supports the Dream Act), all in opposition to Church teachings…

I’d say his only agreement with Church doctrine is his pro-life stance and his opposition to same-sex marriage… He’s too far-right for me… I’m going to be voting for Joseph C. Schriner…

He’s more like an Evangelical… :nope:
 
socialcath101 said:
I’ve got big problems with Santorum… His vows to destroy the social safety net (preferential option for the poor), his ideas on immigration (the Church supports the Dream Act), all in opposition to Church teachings…

I’d say his only agreement with Church doctrine is his pro-life stance and his opposition to same-sex marriage… He’s too far-right for me… I’m going to be voting for John Huntsman…

He’s more like an Evangelical… :nope:
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How does he plan to destroy the social safety net, and what exactly is the “social safety net?” I do not recall when that net was put in place.

The Church, or do you mean the USA Bishops regarding immigration?

The two most important issues of our day are abortion and marriage.
 
irishpatrick said:
How does he plan to destroy the social safety net, and what exactly is the “social safety net?” I do not recall when that net was put in place.

The Church, or do you mean the USA Bishops regarding immigration?

The two most important issues of our day are abortion and marriage.
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No Irish I’d say the economy is… The Bishops support a path to citizenship for undocumented workers usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/migrants-refugees-and-travelers/dream-act-bishops-statement-2011-06-18-archbishop-gomez-on-dream-act.cfm

And the Bishops are the Church silly… 🙂
 
socialcath101 said:
No Irish I’d say the economy is… The Bishops support a path to citizenship for undocumented workers usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/migrants-refugees-and-travelers/dream-act-bishops-statement-2011-06-18-archbishop-gomez-on-dream-act.cfm
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So, money is more important than life?

Jesus told us we had to make a choice, God or money…

Show me where the Bishops support a path to citizenship, and then show me where Santorum is against immigrants becoming citizens. BTW, no–the Bishops are NOT the Church. They are part of the Church, yet they cannot usurp formal Church teachings. We too, are part of the Church.
 
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