Rick Santorum Thread

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socialcath101 said:
No Irish I’d say the economy is… The Bishops support a path to citizenship for undocumented workers usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/migrants-refugees-and-travelers/dream-act-bishops-statement-2011-06-18-archbishop-gomez-on-dream-act.cfm

And the Bishops are the Church silly… 🙂
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What good is a “good economy” to those who ere denied the right to life?

Speaking of Bishops:

No, you can never vote for someone who favors absolutely what’s called the ‘right to choice’ of a woman to destroy human life in her womb, or the right to a procured abortion,"

Cardinal Edmund Burke
 
The Bishops support the dream act which gives a path to citizenship… I just showed you…

And Irish people are out of work and hurting… I haven’t have a wage increase in four years… My three kids are on food stamps and SCHIP…

Talk to to many out there and they’ll tell you jobs over abortion and homosexuality…
 
socialcath101 said:
No Irish I’d say the economy is… The Bishops support a path to citizenship for undocumented workers usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/migrants-refugees-and-travelers/dream-act-bishops-statement-2011-06-18-archbishop-gomez-on-dream-act.cfm

And the Bishops are the Church silly… 🙂
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Money is not more important than stopping the murder of innocent lives.

The archbishops do not speak infallibly. We may disagree with them. The Dream Act is not a tenet of our Catholic faith. Murder is.
 
jam070406 said:
Karl Rove has some interesting things to say about the Iowa results.
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I am not sure what he said in the video, but here is what he wrote for the Wall Street Journal
Mr. Santorum shouldn’t kid himself; he faces huge obstacles. He’s spent a year making Iowa his second home. Now he’s in less friendly, less familiar terrain. He hasn’t had to endure withering scrutiny but will shortly. His chief opponent has tremendous organizational and financial advantages and has been through the rigors of a presidential primary race. Still, Mr. Santorum has a shot, and that’s all he could have hoped for.
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Looking ahead, he has to hope New Hampshire pays attention to what happens in Iowa (it traditionally hasn’t) and that he can rapidly cobble together money, organization and a message to compete in January’s primaries in South Carolina and Florida, as well as the Granite State. Until yesterday, Mr. Santorum hadn’t been in New Hampshire in a month, South Carolina for two, and Florida hardly at all.
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online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203471004577140783488183486.html
 
estesbob said:
What good is a “good economy” to those who ere denied the right to life?

Speaking of Bishops:

No, you can never vote for someone who favors absolutely what’s called the ‘right to choice’ of a woman to destroy human life in her womb, or the right to a procured abortion,"

Cardinal Edmund Burke
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Look I’m not looking for an abortion fight okay? Abortion is wrong period… Every good Catholic knows that… But it doesn’t help me or my family… I’m passed the point of getting anymore children okay?

But you need realize that social issues have nothing to do with creating jobs…
 
irishpatrick said:
So, money is more important than life?

Jesus told us we had to make a choice, God or money…

Show me where the Bishops support a path to citizenship, and then show me where Santorum is against immigrants becoming citizens. BTW, no–the Bishops are NOT the Church. They are part of the Church, yet they cannot usurp formal Church teachings. We too, are part of the Church.
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estesbob said:
What good is a “good economy” to those who ere denied the right to life?

Speaking of Bishops:

No, you can never vote for someone who favors absolutely what’s called the ‘right to choice’ of a woman to destroy human life in her womb, or the right to a procured abortion,"

Cardinal Edmund Burke
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Great minds think alike. 👍
 
socialcath101 said:
The Bishops support the dream act which gives a path to citizenship… I just showed you…

And Irish people are out of work and hurting… I haven’t have a wage increase in four years… My three kids are on food stamps and SCHIP…

Talk to to many out there and they’ll tell you jobs over abortion and homosexuality…
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I understand that people who are suffering are going to choose the issue that will help make their suffering go away. However, we are called to look at the big picture, and right now 1.3 million people are dying through abortion every year, and the very foundation of a healthy nation (traditional marriage) is being attacked. Without marriage, and without children, and without a high respect for life, all the rest fades into meaningless dribble.

I pray you will find a way to earn more income this year.
 
socialcath101 said:
Look I’m not looking for an abortion fight okay? Abortion is wrong period… Every good Catholic knows that… But it doesn’t help me or my family… I’m passed the point of getting anymore children okay?

But you need realize that social issues have nothing to do with creating jobs…
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In a Catholic forum you should not be surprised when people enunciate Catholic teachings. , You do realize that the Church emphatically teaches that the right to life trumps everything else? You cannot elevate valid political differences over how to best revive the economy to the same level as abortion. . As far as every good Catholic knows that the fact that 52% of Catholic voters voted for the most pro-abortion president history gi contradicts that comment.
 
socialcath101 said:
Look I’m not looking for an abortion fight okay? Abortion is wrong period… Every good Catholic knows that… But it doesn’t help me or my family… I’m passed the point of getting anymore children okay?

But you need realize that social issues have nothing to do with creating jobs…
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This is, imo, wrong. The census released a report saying that there are less youth today (0-18 years old), than there has been since the 1940s. However, if legal abortion did not exist for the last 18 years, there would have been an additional 22,000,000+ people living right now. Those people would require jobs and entire industries to help care for them and feed them, yet since they were killed, those jobs and those industries never surfaced. We have killed almost the entire population of Texas over 18 years, and we wonder where the jobs are?

Babies are the core of a healthy nation and a healthy economy.

Life is a blessing for the nation and the world–and we need to put life FIRST! Then everything else will fall into place as it should.
 
Wait wait wait-a-minute!

Exactly where does it say that social justice requires we exercise the preferential option for the poor by means of the National Government with its monopoly on violence? Don’t we have something called the Principle of Subsidiarity we have to own up to? Don’t we have a Federal Republic made up of 50 States to whom (along with the people themselves) all powers not assigned explicitly in the Constitution to the National Government are reserved? Don’t we have tons of counties, municipalities, parishes, and families that all have responsibilities for charity and social welfare assigned to them first and foremost before higher levels of government?

Can anyone explain to me exactly what’s so impossibly complicated about charitable works that all the king’s horses and all the king’s men in the State of Texas can’t do it but an amoral Leviathan bureaucracy in Washington D.C. can somehow magically put Humpty Dumpty back together again if we just sacrifice enough of our neighbor’s money, our neighbor’s liberties, and other people’s children? I must have missed something …
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irishpatrick said:
I understand that people who are suffering are going to choose the issue that will help make their suffering go away. However, we are called to look at the big picture, and right now 1.3 million people are dying through abortion every year, and the very foundation of a healthy nation (traditional marriage) is being attacked. Without marriage, and without children, and without a high respect for life, all the rest fades into meaningless dribble.

I pray you will find a way to earn more income this year.
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I haven’t gotten a raise in 4 years either. I’m just happy to have a job. I did have to sell my house 2 years ago and downsize to a condominium to make ends meet.

I also found a second job in September, so now I work all day Saturday in addition to my “real” job.
 
qui_est_ce said:
I haven’t gotten a raise in 4 years either. I’m just happy to have a job. I did have to sell my house 2 years ago and downsize to a condominium to make ends meet.

I also found a second job in September, so now I work all day Saturday in addition to my “real” job.
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My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. I sincerely hope and pray God brings you what you need this year.

I cannot help but wonder if many people are suffering as you are, would be suffering if this nation had the riches of 22,000,000 additional American citizens…those people would need places to live, houses to be built, baby supplies and food to be purchased, schools to attend, entire industries lost because they were killed.

Can you not see? Place life first, then God will show us how to fix the rest.
 
qui_est_ce said:
I haven’t gotten a raise in 4 years either. I’m just happy to have a job. I did have to sell my house 2 years ago and downsize to a condominium to make ends meet.

I also found a second job in September, so now I work all day Saturday in addition to my “real” job.
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I think some of the Catholics on here are the uppity uppity incomers and aren’t aware of some of the suffering out there… :eek:
 
irishpatrick said:
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. I sincerely hope and pray God brings you what you need this year.

I cannot help but wonder if many people are suffering as you are, would be suffering if this nation had the riches of 22,000,000 additional American citizens…those people would need places to live, houses to be built, baby supplies and food to be purchased, schools to attend, entire industries lost because they were killed.

Can you not see? Place life first, then God will show us how to fix the rest.
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I not suffering. I live within my means. I have my family close by.

I place my trust in God.

And yes life comes first. As Bob says so frequently, all rights stem from the basic right to life.
 
qui_est_ce said:
I not suffering. I live within my means. I have my family close by.

I place my trust in God.

And yes life comes first. As Bob says so frequently, all rights stem from the basic right to life.
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Indeed. 🙂
 
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