RINOS and NEVER TRUMPERS

[TC2]

Tonight, I went to FR to see how the far right is doing. They are furious about K Conway leaving, to the point that they call her 15 year old daughter evil, a b, a s-head, and a c. Said that she should be beaten severely to put the fear of God into her. Some suggested Conway should divorce her husband and let him take the ‘evil’ daughter so Conway could be free. Yeah, I see you. I see WHO you are. Squalling all the time about abortion, but throw those kids out when they grow up and don’t fall in your Trumpy line. Nice. No, I won’t be voting R this time, and frankly, from what I’ve seen about how people/non maskers react to the rest of us *sheep, covidiots, plowing for the devil), I never will vote R again.

This party is hateful, and bullies. Also a cult. Trump apparently doesn’t care, he in fact seems to like it, and egg it on in his subtle, sly way. Keep on showing me who and what you are. It just makes it that much easier to vote in November, and in years to come.

• I do not support abortion, in any way. However, I believe it is a stick-carrot that the GOP holds over Christians heads to get them to vote R. They need it around to keep people voting their way. I’m no longer fooled.

 

[puer.dei]

There’s no point in continuing to try to reason with folks who won’t be reasonable.

Absolutely true. There are those who will find an excuse for absolutely anything Trump does or says.

 

[Ridgerunner]

The Catholic Church gives another option and that is to support a culture of life in general because abortion doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Our informed consciences can legitimately discern the long game considering all that encompasses prolife.

Meaning no disrespect, but this sounds like “I’ll be a hired assassin today, but I’ll reform tomorrow”. I doubt that’s what Jesus meant. Remember, the recalcitrant son repented and did what his father wanted. The Dem party has yet to even consider doing so.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I include in that group of politicians that support abortion any that support it in the case of incest, rape, or the life of the mother. I know you excuse those politicians if they vote Republican, but to me, there is no difference between them and the Democrat politicians so many like to demonize here on CAF.

It doesn’t matter what Trump THINKS. It matters what he DOES. So far, his actions have been entirely prolife. I’m afraid refusing to vote for him on such slim grounds is simply an excuse to vote for the party of death.

 

[PaulinVA]

Prison reforms

Yes, this is something that he should be given credit for. I think he has. BUT, I wonder why his campaign doesn’t bring this up more. Oh, I know. Black people benefited from it, so he has to keep it on the down low.

Tax cuts

Tax cuts for the wealthy isn’t a selling feature. And, it just put the economy into a sugar high. Sorta cheating.

Fairer trade agreements

For whom? The farmers who need increased subsidies to survive?

A (pre-COVID) flourishing economy that is beginning to come back

Just a continuation of what he inherited.

Low unemployment, especially of minorities (pre-COVID)

Just a continuation of what he inherited.

During COVID, he supplied ventilators, hospital ships, hospital facilities, and let the state governors manage it in their own states, but was available to help when they needed it.

Total failure of leadership. Remember , Trump has said for decades he never has a plan, he just wakes up in the morning and sees what happens.

Mr. Trump has done and shall continue to do a lot of good for the country. That some folks refuse to recognize it and give him credit isn’t his fault.

So far, I only see criminal justice reform. Oh, yeah, and a whole lot of criminals.

 

[Canvas]

He is 3 years and 8 months into his term with 4 months remaining.

And continuing to appeal Court decisions that ruled against him on the issue. His tax records have been subpoenaed in real (not made up) criminal investigations and he still has refused to provide them.

 

[puer.dei]

His tax records have been subpoenaed in real (not made up) criminal investigations and he still has refused to provide them.

Despite having said that if he ran for office, he would release them.

 

[blackforest]

My point is that his Twitter feed, among other venues, is doing nothing to unite the country in difficult times. His posts are inflammatorily divisive, and there’s no blaming the press on it.

 

[Shakuhachi]

Catholic teaching is clear: being pro-life means rejecting violence, caring for the vulnerable, and prioritizing care for the unborn. As Pope Francis says, these are “equally sacred” priorities. The singular focus on abortion has led many legislators to ignore effective pro-life policies that protect the unborn: health care for pregnant mothers, paid family leave, the WIC Program, nutrition assistance, housing, and affordable childcare.

https://www.popefrancisvoter.org/take-quiz

 

[phil3]

I scored 0%. Those that support this support statist policies. I believe in liberty, freedom, and self responsibility. I would love to go back to the 1980, just not Owell’s 1984.

 

[StudentMI]

I didn’t even bother taking the quiz. The questions are slanted toward a specific viewpoint. Do you support food assistance, for instance. Any one with a heart does. What one can disagree with is how to implement such assistance. Let’s not forget St John Paul II and his criticism of the social assistance state.

Update: lol I just took it for laughs and ‘you agree with Biden’ is the result? Really?

 

[PaulinVA]

Update: lol I just took it for laughs and ‘you agree with Biden’ is the result? Really?

I got an 88% and agree with Biden.

I think this is skewed, but I answered yes if I believed in general in the idea, not if I thought the government should do it. As an example, I’ve given thousands this year to organizations that feed people - I don’t think it’s the government’s responsibility to make sure everyone is fed.

 

[StudentMI]

I think this is skewed, but I answered yes if I believed in general in the idea, not if I thought the government should do it.

It is skewed. I’m not getting my primer on Catholic social teaching from a pro-Biden quiz.

 

[PaulinVA]

It is skewed. I’m not getting my primer on Catholic social teaching from a pro-Biden quiz.

Think this is who they are, based on the address:

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[StudentMI]

Looks like it.

I just think learning Catholic social teaching in the context of an election is a horrible idea. You study it by itself. Then you apply it.

 

[Shakuhachi]

I agree, and yes it was skewed. I though it was a fun little site though. Leave it to the sisters.

And I am sorry that people focus on some aspects of Catholic Social teaching while completely discounting others. That is what makes elections so stressful for me. I do not see them in black and white. I cannot let one issue override other, especially when it lacks actionable proximity.

We currently do not have anything near a good choice. We should not be enthusiastic or die hard about either party or either sets of candidates. I remain a NEVER TRUMPER though.

 

[StudentMI]

I personally did not vote for Trump in 2016. I voted Libertarian. I tend to take turns voting either Green or Libertarian.

Odds are I’ll wind up voting for one of them again.

 

[Shakuhachi]

I don’t care if the candidate does not has much of a chance. I live in a Red state anyway.

 

[StudentMI]

Oh definitely no chance. I don’t delude myself into thinking I’ll wake up the next day and we’ll have a Libertarian or Green president. It’s just principle. That and hearing people say vote for who you agree with.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Looks like it.

I just think learning Catholic social teaching in the context of an election is a horrible idea. You study it by itself. Then you apply it.

I don’t think there is ever a context in which it is a bad idea to learn about Catholic social teaching. Just make sure who you are learning it from.