RINOS and NEVER TRUMPERS

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LeafByNiggle said:
I don’t think there is ever a context in which it is a bad idea to learn about Catholic social teaching. Just make sure who you are learning it from.
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If someone says “here is a primer on Catholic social teaching and why my preferred candidate is an example of it” I say run for the door.

If you want a primer on Catholic social teaching read a book on it, or check out solid Catholic sources online.
 
I agree. Perhaps I did not understand what you meant by “in the context of an election.” I thought you meant “during an election” or “to apply to an election.” If you just meant from a politically interested party, then I agree. That is not a proper “context.”
 
LeafByNiggle said:
If you just meant from a politically interested party, then I agree. That is not a proper “context.”
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That’s how I meant it, yes.

I never tire of recommending, to any one interested, The Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church, available in book form and online at the Vatican website.
 
phil3 said:
, just not Owell’s 1984.
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Don’t forget to throw in Nazi’s.
StudentMI said:
I just think learning Catholic social teaching in the context of an election is a horrible idea.
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When the COVID virus came out, I went back to pre-2019 links to learn some objective viral information before trying to make sense of what the CDC, the President, and his opposition were saying. I encourage all to follow your advice. If you want to understand Catholic social teaching, go back to a time that was not during an election year, or even read international sites, as Catholic teaching is universal.

@StudentMI gets the USCCB teaching on how to vote. Step one is to form one’s conscience. Without that willingness, then there is no such critter as a Catholic voter.
 
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Oh, and encyclicals! They are a great resource.
Pope Leo XIII - May 15, 1891
Pope Pius XI - May 15, 1931 - the 40th anniversary of Rerum Novarum
Pope John XXIII - May 15, 1961 - the 60th anniversary of Rerum Novarum
Pope John XXIII - April 11, 1963 - on Establishing Universal Peace in Truth, Justice, Charity, and Liberty
Pope Paul VI - March 27, 1967
Pope John Paul II - September 14, 1981 - the 90th anniversary of Rerum Novarum
Pope John Paul II - December 30, 1987
Pope John Paul II - May 1, 1991 - the 100th anniversary of Rerum Novarum
Pope John Paul II - March 25, 1995
Pope John Paul II - September 14, 1998
Pope Benedict XVI - December 15, 2005
Pope Benedict XVI - June 29, 2009
Pope Francis - May 24, 2015
 
They can be but it’s all about the decentralization that both push for.
 
I feel pretty confident Pope Francis has not given specific guidance on the American presidential election. At least I have never seen it.

Perhaps you can give us a reliable source quoting him where he says the U.S. bishops are wrong and abortion is NOT the preeminent issue in this election. Or him simply saying “it’s morally okay to vote for Biden/Harris”

But I doubt you will. Posting some dissident quiz doesn’t do it.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
I feel pretty confident Pope Francis has not given specific guidance on the American presidential election. At least I have never seen it.
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"On Thursday, the pontiff criticized Trump for the proposal at the heart of his campaign: a pledge to keep people from crossing into the United States illegally by building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border.

“I’d just say that this man is not Christian if he said it in this way,” Francis told reporters in a midflight press conference after a trip to Mexico.

“A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian,” Francis said, according to The Associated Press’ translation of the press conference."

 
He is not wanting to be direct.

“You sometimes seem to be caught, you know, are you going to vote in one sense for a snake or you going to vote for a dragon?” Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of Galveston-Houston quoted the pope as saying.

The cardinal told Catholic News Service the pope’s advice to the bishops was “teach your people discernment by you stepping back from the sheer politics of it … If you try to step back and say, ‘but here are the major moral issues that we face,’ that’s what is most important.”

cruxnow.com

In US elections, will Pope Francis heed own advice on ‘snakes’ and ‘dragons’?

Meeting with a group of U.S. bishops this week, Pope Francis warned against seeming to participate in partisan politics and instead have the Church limit itself to promoting Christian values as people prepare to vote.
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Typical liberal fake news. The Pope never did say Trump is not Christian. What he was reacting to was a false statement attributed to Trump. So whoever said that lied to the Pope. The Pope, in his reaction, reflected that what was needed was to build “bridges”, not walls. What he apparently did not know because the press did not want him to know, was that Trump also spoke of a “big wonderful door” into this country though the wall. Basically the same thing the Pope said.

The whole thing was, of course, misreported by the Democrat news in order to mislead Catholics into thinking the Pope is opposed to Trump. A total disservice by the fake Democrat news, as is typical. But the DNC does think Catholics are “backward” and “medieval” as we now know. So I guess they think we would all fall for that.
 
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Thbolt said:
Perhaps you can quote the Pope saying “it’s morally okay to vote for Trump/Pence”. Until then, I will assume that he doesn’t want us Catholics to vote for Trump.
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Shouldn’t say things like that lest you mislead some Catholic.

Popes, of course, don’t endorse candidates. But as far as I know, neither has he criticized or reversed the U.S. Bishops who said abortion is the preeminent issue in this election, nor has he criticized Pope Benedict who said we can’t vote for an abortion supporter without proportionate (equally grave) reason.

Now perhaps you can tell us why you think it’s okay for the Democrat party to force Catholic organizations to provide abortifacients to their workers or to force Catholic taxpayers, against conscience, to finance abortions both here and abroad.
 
The definition of a RINO is highly questionable, as it is questionable as to what constitutes Republican values these days. Republican used to support (or at least pay lip service to) free trade and fiscal responsibility. Now they support a nativist / protectionist trade policy, and are deathly silent on Trump’s massive expansion of the federal debt. So is a RINO a Republican who supports Trump, or is it someone who is true to traditional Republican values and refuses to support Trump as a result?
 
Ridgerunner said:
Typical liberal fake news. The Pope never did say Trump is not Christian. What he was reacting to was a false statement attributed to Trump. So whoever said that lied to the Pope. The Pope, in his reaction, reflected that what was needed was to build “bridges”, not walls. What he apparently did not know because the press did not want him to know, was that Trump also spoke of a “big wonderful door” into this country though the wall. Basically the same thing the Pope said.

The whole thing was, of course, misreported by the Democrat news in order to mislead Catholics into thinking the Pope is opposed to Trump. A total disservice by the fake Democrat news, as is typical. But the DNC does think Catholics are “backward” and “medieval” as we now know. So I guess they think we would all fall for that.
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I wonder if the Catholics in the DNC think of themselves as “backward” and “medieval”? The pot calling the kettle black?
 
JanR said:
I wonder if the Catholics in the DNC think of themselves as “backward” and “medieval”
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I doubt it. The DNC email intercepted by Wikileaks also disclosed that the DNC supports dissident Catholic organizations like Catholics United and Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good. They probably think they’re enlightened.
 
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