RINOS and NEVER TRUMPERS

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Harry Truman offered to punch newsmen in the nose. Was that okay?
Tee-hee-hee. Old Harry was another colorful character. I remember stories of his writing a salty letter to a critic who had panned his daughter’s singing. Something about the man might end up needing a truss.

At least he was direct and to the point.

So is Mr. Trump.
 
Fundamental difference - Truman believed the buck stopped here’ and Trump believes in ‘I take no responsibility’ for what happens on his watch.
 
Yes, the phrase the common good is always used to give government more power. Always.
That’s simply untrue. The ‘common good’ or ‘common wealth’ fundamentally references the active participation of all citizens in politics and public service. Dictators have always evolved from their own bad government citing a national emergency to get arbitrary powers. Dictators never cite the ‘common good’ as the reason to monopolize government.
 
Tee-hee-hee. Old Harry was another colorful character. I remember stories of his writing a salty letter to a critic who had panned his daughter’s singing. Something about the man might end up needing a truss.

At least he was direct and to the point.

So is Mr. Trump.
My parents greatly liked Truman. They didn’t much care for FDR who, they felt, was an eastern establishment intellectual. But they loved Truman, and part of the reason was that he was plain-spoken.
 
Trump believes in ‘I take no responsibility’ for what happens on his watch.
That’s really just harsh talk. Half the liberals criticize him for taking too much responsibility for what happens on his watch. No matter what he says or does, liberals condemn it.
 
Since Trump is not undermining our democracy in any way anyone can actually name, and since “Joe” is radically pro-abortion and wants to raise my taxes to pay for them, I think the choice is clear for a Catholic who does not want to support the worst evil since the holocaust.
I never said anything about Biden or supporting Biden. I was calling out the absolutely astounding decision that Republican Party made in choosing Trump to begin with. ANY of the other candidates would have been better…he was literally the worst choice to my mind. By a long shot. As I said, I could even get behind Mike Pence, with reservations…
 
I mean give you the same kind of testing tools that Trump has access to. Preferably at your office so you can test everyone every day

and get results back within 10 to 20 minutes
 
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Voting for Joe is not voting for the worst evil of our time. But Trump’s undermining of our democracy is.
Your putting words in my mouth. I didn’t mention the name Joe Biden nor for that matter Democrats once.
RR quoted you and I quoted RR. Your quote came along for the ride, which is why you got a notification, but I was responding to RR, not to you. And I’m sure RR meant Biden.
 
First Example of Undermining Our Democracy

President Donald Trump has waged an all-out assault on the institutions that form the foundation of our democracy and the basis of a functional government. Driven by apparent resentment of anyone who attempts to hold him accountable, his attacks on the free press have undermined its credibility as a necessary institution of a functioning democracy.

Thomas Jefferson believed that we risk losing our liberty without a free press, and, writing to John Tyler in 1804, called a free press the most effective avenue to the truth—which is why that institution is the first to be targeted “by those who fear the investigation of their actions.” It is no wonder, then, that President Trump undermines the media.
 
Second Example of Undermining our Democracy:

The president also routinely diminishes the expertise and motivation of his own national security communities, including the CIA, the State Department and, at times, even the Pentagon. The president views these careerists within these agencies as the “deep state,” some secret society whose sole goal is undermining his agenda or removing him from office.

In reality, this so-called “deep state” is really the bureaucracy that houses the tens of thousands of collective years of experience necessary for the government to function, to take on global issues like terrorism, climate change or nuclear proliferation, to build and maintain the alliances necessary to preserve the liberal world order the U.S. has championed and invested in since the end of World War II, and—yes—to successfully confront challenges like the current COVID-19 pandemic.
 
I was calling out the absolutely astounding decision that Republican Party made in choosing Trump to begin with. ANY of the other candidates would have been better…he was literally the worst choice to my mind.
I think the voters made the decision, not the party as an organization. Trump wasn’t my first choice. Getting a little fuzzy on it, but I don’t think he was my second either. But the voters preferred him. I think by the time our own primary rolled around, I had decided to vote for Trump.
 
I didn’t say she’s Che Guevara, only that her voting record is what everybody acknowledges that it is.
Her voting record is not debatable. The label of liberal is. I looked up where this came from, and to tweak it a little, the claim was that she was the most liberal Senator, not just she had the most liberal voting record. Part of that was based on the lack of bill sponsorship. I think the context of this is needed. She has been a US Senator for less than 4 years. She was a district attorney of some flavor form more than 25 years.

So we could also say that she has been tougher on crime than anyone in recent history running for national office, as she has actually prosecuted and put criminals away. But then, that was what she was being paid for.

In the current office she seeks, she will no longer be prosecuting anyone. It is unlikely that she will vote in the Senate very often, if at all.
 
please show me where “the common good” has been used by government and life improved for all?

When I hear a politician claim “for the common good” the people are going to lose more liberty and freedon.
 
please show me where “the common good” has been used by government and life improved for all?
Rural Electrification Act.
National highway system.
National Parks.
Libraries.
Fire Departments.
Federal Aviation Administration.
National Weather Service.
Municipal Sewers and Water.
etc.
 
My prediction is that once Trump is gone, this will all fall apart because his movement is personality-based.
He did not rise to power in a vacuum. He is more a product of what was happening in the Republican Party. He may be a personality, but he is no leader. The Tea Party kept slipping further back into history every election, devolving society and reversing all social progress in its move to reverse some changes seen as wrong. That is why race issues have once again become an issue, along with nationalism.
 
his attacks on the free press have undermined its credibility
Noooooo. Much of the media has undermined its own credibility by extreme partisanship and false reporting. It’s partisan. Liberals attack Fox and Limbaugh. Conservatives attack the MSM. If the media was consistently non-partisan and factual even most of the time, nobody would be complaining about it.
The president also routinely diminishes the expertise and motivation of his own national security communities, including the CIA, the State Department and, at times, even the Pentagon. The president views these careerists within these agencies as the “deep state,” some secret society whose sole goal is undermining his agenda or removing him from office.
Are you kidding? You don’t think Comey, Strzok, Page, McCabe, Clinesmith, Brennan, Clapper, and others are worthy of criticism?
 
please show me where “the common good” has been used by government and life improved for all?

When I hear a politician claim “for the common good” the people are going to lose more liberty and freedon.
The common good/common wealth is the fundamental principle of all free countries. The preamble of the US…

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

Can you give me examples of your claim that promoting ‘the common good’ means loss of liberty and freedom?
 
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