Entirely off topic, but a very long time ago one of my political science professors in college gave me a piece of advice: “If you are going to do something illegal (which I advise against!), never, ever, under any circumstance, do it in a car.”The remarkable thing to me in the top article is the high percentage of persons stopped who actually have contraband in their cars.
I have no idea where those numbers come from, or if they are accurate. I would point out that, if they are accurate, that means unarmed blacks are being killed at nearly three times the rate of unarmed whites - 37.5% of killings, while blacks are only 13% of the population.In 2019, 25 unarmed whites and only 15 unarmed blacks were killed by police. And, most of these were attacking police just prior to being killed.
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/can-incarceration-rates-racist-reflect-actual-crime-rates/With that context those figures are a lot worse.
from leftist Washington Post.I have no idea where those numbers come from
explains the crime rates
https://datacenter.kidscount.org/da...,868,867,133,38/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431#1. 85% of youth who are currently in prison grew up in a fatherless home. (Texas Department of Corrections)You say that blacks have more encounters with the police because they are charged with more crimes.
This is probably somewhat true. All the symptoms of poverty become an obstacle to escaping poverty. I don’t think the high crime rates “came first” though.Or perhaps the poverty is the result of potential economic opportunities being deterred by the crime rates.
@1cthlctrth Of course communities that are poverty stricken experience instability in families. To blame fatherlessness on its own is putting the cart before the horse. Poverty correlates with high crime rates among pretty much any demographic, regardless of race.85% of youth who are currently in prison grew up in a fatherless home
Pretty sure it’s an answer u’d more comfortably expect on Breibert and some Reddit threads than CAF.What do you think is the source of high crime rates?
Funny how that statistic is often brought up by people trying to prove systemic racism, but when used to reveal that black people proportionally commit more crimes than white people, then oh no, we don’t like that statistic and it doesn’t prove anything.Black people are only about 14% of the US population though. With that context those figures are a lot worse.
Yeah, if you’re thinking of blaming poverty for crime, sorry, I have no sympathy. Plenty of people live in poor conditions and don’t commit crimes. A stable family unit and a good upbringing might help with that.What do you think is the source of high crime rates?
Black people do commit a disproportionate amount of crime. This is a fact. Maybe student activists who think that microaggressions are somehow connected to police violence would want to deny this, but I don’t see why anyone serious would deny it. Again, though, black people experience the worst rates of poverty than anyone else in the US, to quite a shocking degree. Crime and poverty are pretty much universally related.Funny how that statistic is often brought up by people trying to prove systemic racism, but when used to reveal that black people proportionally commit more crimes than white people, then oh no, we don’t like that statistic and it doesn’t prove anything.
Yeah, I agree that to the eyes of a petty moralist who just sees in broad social phenomenon the actions of a number of sinful individuals things are “about right.”Again, about right.
I’m not “blaming” anything, I’m just stating a fact about the cause of crime from a sociological point of view. Society isn’t just a collection of individuals, and broad social groups are conditioned by the social and material conditions they find themselves in. You can play the moralist if you like but it won’t tell you anything about why this stuff happens, though it might make you feel better about it.Yeah, if you’re thinking of blaming poverty for crime, sorry, I have no sympathy. Plenty of people live in poor conditions and don’t commit crimes.
I do not think poverty alone is the cause of crime though. As I stated before, there are many factors than can prevent people from becoming criminals, one of the key ones being a strong family unit. This is sadly lacking in black communities, or has at least been eroded over the last few decades.Crime and poverty are pretty much universally related.
No clue what you mean here.Yeah, I agree that to the eyes of a petty moralist who just sees in broad social phenomenon the actions of a number of sinful individuals things are “about right.”
Erm in what way am I playing ‘the moralist’? I’m stating that the statistics do not show any unusually biased behaviour being directed at black people by the police. There is no moralising here, just analysing the stats.You can play the moralist if you like but it won’t tell you anything about why this stuff happens, though it might make you feel better about it.
This is just an indicator of poverty. Middle class people who choose to live unconventional lifestyles do not have the same issues.I do not think poverty along is the cause of crime though. As I stated before, there are many factors than can prevent people from becoming criminals, one of the key ones being a strong family unit.
Why do so many people with unstable family lives not end up committing crime? You can’t look at broad social tendencies in this way. Of course any one individual can do anything with their life, but broad social trends follow patterns.One question to ask yourself might be, why do so many poor people not commit crimes? What is it about them that they choose not to get involved in that world, despite still living in poverty?
They do though. Black people are subject to extremely high levels of poverty, and it is because of this that they commit more crimes and that their communities are overpoliced. The poverty rates are in themselves evidence of discrimination. There is basically a racial underclass in American society.Erm in what way am I playing ‘the moralist’? I’m stating that the statistics do not show any unusually biased behaviour being directed at black people by the police. There is no moralising here, just analysing the stats.
You realise this sentence looks like you are excusing crime. ‘It isn’t their fault, it’s those at the top who force them to be criminals’. Nonsense.Black people are subject to extremely high levels of poverty, and it is because of this that they commit more crimes
This is what I mean by you being a moralist. You don’t really care about why it happens so long as it’s “just.”You realise this sentence looks like you are excusing crime. ‘It isn’t their fault, it’s those at the top who force them to be criminals’. Nonsense.
I’m not talking about “criminals as a whole”, I’m talking about the reason why black people as a demographic have such high crime rates. Yes, any individual criminal can come from any social background, but when it comes to larger demographics and crime as a larger social phenomenon it is totally inseparable from poverty.I’m not saying the elites are running the show well, but I’m not going to accept the premise that criminals as a whole are just the victims of their social situation. Take a look for instance at the amount of rappers, who have made a lot of money in the music industry, and are still involved in gang warfare and crime.
I’ve told you I think there are multiple reasons why it happens and the blame can’t be solely put on the evil white men who forced black people into poverty.This is what I mean by you being a moralist. You don’t really care about why it happens so long as it’s “just.”
Why do people have to focus on black poverty? Why can’t they just focus on poverty? Why the constant virtue signalling and identity politics? How about in the USA, they identify where the most poverty stricken areas are, and put lots of money into helping people in those areas? If most of the people in these areas are black, then they’ll get most of the help. This way the government will be helping black folks without constantly blowing their own trumpet about how they are, or are going to help black communities and actually doing very little other than just talking about it [cough Democratic Party cough]Besides, why does nobody care about black poverty in itself? It never gets discussed unless it is in relation to something else.
I don’t think “evil white men” caused black poverty. I think capitalism did. I would like the statistics we see regarding black people to be recognised as a class issue, not one of race so much (though these things aren’t mutually exclusive). It is liberals in the Democratic Party who want working class black people to feel solidarity with bourgeois black people. Kamala Harris does not have the same interests as a working class black person on a low income. She is their enemy.I’ve told you I think there are multiple reasons why it happens and the blame can’t be solely put on the evil white men who forced black people into poverty.
They probably already do spend a lot of money on these communities. It won’t be enough, capitalism can’t exist without a population that is surplus to production and basically destitute.How about in the USA, they identify where the most poverty stricken areas are, and put lots of money into helping people in those areas? If most of the people in these areas are black, then they’ll get most of the help.
Black people do commit a disproportionate amount of crime. This is a fact. Maybe student activists who think that microaggressions are somehow connected to police violence would want to deny this, but I don’t see why anyone serious would deny it. Again, though, black people experience the worst rates of poverty than anyone else in the US, to quite a shocking degree. Crime and poverty are pretty much universally related.
It seems we also have to acknowledge, the Social Programs did not work.Again, about right.
If there are reparations, historically, we know which party was for slavery and was the party of the confederacy.