Rioting aftermath in Kenosha

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Nepperhan said:
It is when the appearance factor you use is racial identification. That is textbook racism.
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I think there’s a misunderstanding here. One poster is talking about profiling as just gathering information about a suspect for identification. The other is talking about targeting as the more common meaning of profiling, that is, looking for criminals based on such things as race, age, etc.
 
That’s what I’m seeing. There’s a big difference between thinking . . .

“Most crimes are committed by black guys, so he’s probably up to no good. I should pull him over.”

And . . .

"Didn’t an African-American male about that age and height hold up a store last week? And that looks like the make and model of the car. I’m going to investigate . . . "

The latter is justified but should NEVER escalate into anything like what happened in Sacramento.
 
Yeah let’s not do away with the second one, please.

“But officer that’s the guy who assaulted me! That’s the exact same face tattoo I described!”
“Dude that’s profiling. Not cool.”
 
Nepperhan said:
No, they never have to profile. That is prejudging a person by race. You know, prejudice.
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You mention race specifically again. People are profiled for various differents reasons. Often it is behaviour related profiling, that something about the person seems off, but again, that could just be the way they are, or they have some type of behaviour disorder. Any type of profiling can be considered prejudiced.
Nepperhan said:
Most crime is committed by males. So should they start being profiled?
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Well they probably are. Seriously, let’s say in one US state all cases of carrying a weapon illegally were committed by men. Would there be any point in the police searching as many women as men, or do you think it would be fair for them to search men more often if they were carrying out search operations.

I remember seeing a video of a young black man being searched in the UK by the police. There were people around who filmed it, shouting about racism and saying that they have no right to search him. One was shouting ‘why are you searching him?’ Moments later the police found a long knife on him and one of them replied ‘how about because he has this?’
 
Polak said:
Has it ever occured to you that, at least in the case of the police, sometimes they have to profile. If you have an area that is only 10% black, yet 95% of the crimes are committed by black people, then black people are more likely to get searched there.
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Wow.

Disproportionate enforcement of the law can cause that. We know that happens, and that is why criminal justice reforms are looking at enforcement and patrolling patterns, and how traffic stops are conducted.
 
Ah okay. I suppose you subscribe to the belief that the police are throwing innocent people in prison to make it look like they are criminals.
 
Polak said:
Ah okay. I suppose you subscribe to the belief that the police are throwing innocent people in prison to make it look like they are criminals.
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No, that’s silly. However, if all the cops are in the Black neighborhoods, more chance the Black folk will get arrested, right?

Fact: Searches of White people’s cars turn up contraband more often than searches of Black people’s cars, but, yet, Blacks are stopped and searched more often. Why is that?
 
Polak said:
Seriously, let’s say in one US state all cases of carrying a weapon illegally were committed by men. Would there be any point in the police searching as many women as men, or do you think it would be fair for them to search men more often if they were carrying out search operations.
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Since 70% of people in US prisons are Christian, should Christians be randomly stopped and searched by the police?

Conveniently, Christians typically gather together in central locations at specific times. The police can just set up roadblocks outside churches are search the cars of everyone leaving.

A higher percentage of crime in the US is committed by Christians than by African Americans, yet I don’t often hear the argument to profile Christians. That reveals the racist undertones of profiling African Americans.
 
AlNg said:
Some African Americans are Christians.
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But the majority of Christians aren’t African American.

Christians commit the majority of crime in the US.

All of those in favor of profiling should welcome the police to search them as they depart church. Or is profiling only ok, when it’s the other guy getting profiled?
 
PaulinVA said:
Fact: Searches of White people’s cars turn up contraband more often than searches of Black people’s cars, but, yet, Blacks are stopped and searched more often. Why is that?
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Yes we can both give facts to support our arguments. There’s no point going down that road or it’ll never end.
billsherman said:
A higher percentage of crime in the US is committed by Christians than by African Americans, yet I don’t often hear the argument to profile Christians. That reveals the racist undertones of profiling African Americans.
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It doesn’t ‘reveal’ anything. What percentage of the US population is officially Christian?
 
AlNg said:
I am fine with the police searching my car or whatever. I don’t resist it.
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So, you’re ok with being profiled as a potential criminal because you’re Christian? I think you would change your mind the second it started happening.

No one is ok with being profiled as a criminal because of who they are, or what they look like, or how they worship. We’re only ok with it when it’s theoretical or just happens to the other guy.

I’m a white guy, and I’ve never once been stopped by a cop when I wasn’t doing something wrong. Very few African Americans can say the same. That’s wrong.
 
It’s a self-fulfilling expectation.

You think that African Americans commit more crimes so you will be on the lookout for African Americans committing crimes and will catch more of them committing crimes.

You expect white people to commit less crimes and unsurprisingly won’t be as vigilant. Unsurprisingly, you’ll catch less.

This just perpetuates the view that African Americans commit more crimes.

People rarely question their own biases which in turn distorts their own view of reality.
 
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billsherman said:
I’m a white guy, and I’ve never once been stopped by a cop when I wasn’t doing something wrong.
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i could not sleep one night and I got up and walked around the block in the USA. I was doing nothing but just walking around, all of a sudden one, then two and three police cars with their lights flashing came to a screeching halt right next to me. They jumped out of their cars and as they did so, I immediately stopped. they then questioned me as to what I was doing at 3:00 AM in the morning in the neighborhood. I answered all their questions, but I did not have any ID on me. But i did know my DL number and SS number which I gave them and they checked it out. After a discussion, they let me go. but i cooperated as they were looking for prowlers in the area.
billsherman said:
you’re ok with being profiled as a potential criminal
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It is OK if they wanted to question me as I realized they had a job to do. Other times I was stopped in my car and the American police searched the car. I was OK with the American police searching my car.
 
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