Roe v. Wade at 40: Most Oppose Overturning Abortion Decision

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I wonder if the majority of Americans support Doe V. Bolton? I wonder how many have even heard of it.

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Doe v. Bolton, 410 U.S. 179 (1973), was a decision of the United States Supreme Court overturning the abortion law of Georgia. The Supreme Court’s decision was released on January 22, 1973, the same day as the decision in the better-known case of Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973).
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 ** History of case during the 1970s**
The Georgia law in question permitted abortion only in cases of rape, severe fetal deformity, or the possibility of severe or fatal injury to the mother. Other restrictions included the requirement that the procedure be approved in writing by three physicians and by a special committee of the staff of the hospital where the abortion was to be performed. In addition, only Georgia residents could receive abortions under this statutory scheme: non-residents could not have an abortion in Georgia under any circumstances.
The plaintiff, a pregnant woman who was given the pseudonym “Mary Doe” in court papers to protect her identity, sued Arthur K. Bolton, then the Attorney General of Georgia, as the official responsible for enforcing the law. The anonymous plaintiff has since been identified as Sandra Cano, a 22-year-old mother of three who was nine weeks pregnant at the time the lawsuit was filed. Cano describes herself as pro-life and claims her attorney, Margie Pitts Hames, lied to her in order to have a plaintiff. [1]
A three-judge panel of the United States district court declared the conditional restrictions portion of the law unconstitutional, but upheld the medical approval and residency requirements, and refused to issue an injunction against enforcement of the law. The plaintiff appealed to the Supreme Court under a statute, since repealed, permitting bypass of the circuit appeals court.
The oral arguments and re-arguments followed the same schedule as those in Roe. Atlanta attorney Hames represented Doe at the hearings, while Georgia assistant attorney general Dorothy Toth Beasley represented Bolton.
The same 7-2 majority (Justices White and Rehnquist dissenting) that struck down a Texas abortion law in Roe v. Wade, invalidated most of the remaining restrictions of the Georgia abortion law, including the medical approval and residency requirements. Together, Doe and Roe declared abortion as a constitutional right and by implication overturned most laws against abortion in other US states.
** Broad definition of health**

The Court’s opinion in Doe v. Bolton stated that a woman may obtain an abortion after viability, if necessary to protect her health. The Court defined “health” as follows:
“ Whether, in the words of the Georgia statute, “an abortion is necessary” is a professional judgment that the Georgia physician will be called upon to make routinely. We agree with the District Court, 319 F. Supp., at 1058, that the medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors - physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age - relevant to the well-being of the patient. All these factors may relate to health. ” ** Litigation 30 years later**

In 2003, Sandra Cano filed a motion to re-open the case claiming that she had not been aware that the case had been filed on her behalf and that if she had known she would not have supported the litigation.[2] The district court denied her motion, and she appealed. When the appeals court also denied her motion,[3] she requested review by the United States Supreme Court. However, the Supreme Court declined to hear Sandra Cano’s suit to overturn the ruling.[4]
 
It should be left to the state, otherwise, we have issues whereas like gun control and religion, we have Washington bureacrats invading our lives.
 
I wonder how many would support abortion if they were in a room viewing an ultrasound while an abortion was taking place and they actually saw the tiny little baby fighting for life as the destructive instrument came towards them?

I wonder how many have ever seen a 3D or 4D ultrasound of an unborn baby?
 
I wonder how many would support abortion if they were in a room viewing an ultrasound while an abortion was taking place and they actually saw the tiny little baby fighting for life as the destructive instrument came towards them?

I wonder how many have ever seen a 3D or 4D ultrasound of an unborn baby?
Exactly, there was talk of science earlier so I decided not to make the point and these others were discussing viability but actually, science such as the ultrasound is showing us more and more the consciousness of the baby, there was a thread here the other day on a mother seeing her baby smile in the ultrasound. This is science, some day we may even know a lot more.
 
Pew Poll on Abortion, Roe vs. Wade Absurdly Inaccurate
Here we are less than a week away from the 40th anniversary of the wretched Roe v. Wade decision and even the Pew Research Center can’t get straight the full breadth of the 1973 decision.
The headlines to the stories reporting on the new Pew poll vary, of course, but in large measure they track the title of Pew’s report: “Roe v. Wade at 40: Most Oppose Overturning Abortion Decision.”
Stay with me here, because there is a lot that is revealed in the 11-page report and lot more that grotesquely misrepresents reality.
It is true that there has been little movement in the responses to the question should Roe be “completely overturn[ed]?” In 1992. 34% agreed; in 2003, 31% agreed; in 2013, 29% were in favor. But hold the fort, this is absurdly misleading.
To begin with what is it that the respondent is told to comment on? “In 1973, the Roe versus Wade decision established a woman’s constitutional right to an abortion, at least in the first three months of pregnancy. Would you like to see the Supreme Court completely overturn its Roe versus Wade decision, or not?”
39 years and 359 days later, we have a major research organization characterizing Roe’s abortion on demand holding “as established a woman’s constitutional right to an abortion, at least in the first three months of pregnancy.” Goodness, I thought that canard had finally been laid to rest at least a decade, if not more, ago.
So, point one. Radically underreport what Roe (and its companion case, Doe v. Bolton) concluded. That way Michael Dimock, director of the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, can say that it is uncommon to see so little change in attitudes on a controversial issue. “They [attitudes] really haven’t changed a lot over the years which is kind of interesting because a lot of other social issues have changed a lot,” Dimock told Reuters.
Point two, while there has not been much change in the public’s response to this erroneously-posed question, much of the public still doesn’t know what Roe v. Wade was about (an ignorance that’s obviously not been remedied by groups like Pew).
Only 62% knew it dealt with abortion, 20% didn’t know, period, and 7% thought Roe was about school desegregation!
“Younger people are less likely to know what Roe v. Wade was about,” Reuters reported. “While most respondents over 30 knew Roe v. Wade dealt with abortion, only 44 percent of those under 30 knew this, the poll found.”
Reuters’ Mary Wisniewski then adds helpfully, “The question over whether the decision should be overturned was asked after it was defined to respondents.”
Point three there is no gender disparity. 64% of women did not want Roe “completely overturned,” compared to 63% of men.
Likewise, there was a very modest generational difference. “Those most likely to favor upholding Roe v. Wade at 69 percent are the ‘baby boomers’ aged 50-64, who were children or young adults when the case was decided on January 22, 1973,” according to Wisniewski. “This group was followed by those 18-29 years old, who favored upholding the decision by 68 percent.”
Point Four, 47% say having an abortion is morally wrong. Only 10% of women and 16% of men said it was morally acceptable to have an abortion while 27% said abortion is “not a moral issue.”
“A majority of every religious group sampled–white evangelicals (73%), black Protestants (58%) and Catholics (58%) and a plurality of white mainline Protestants (36%)–responded that abortion was morally wrong,” CNN reported. “Those respondents who find it morally wrong are also overwhelmingly likely to support overturning the law, compared with keeping it intact–85% to 5%.”
And, not surprisingly, “The religiously unaffiliated were the only group in which more people say they find abortion morally acceptable rather than wrong. Twenty-four percent of the group said it was acceptable, compared with 20% who said it was wrong. Nearly half (43%) said it was not a moral issue.”
You can read the introduction and the full report at www.pewforum.org/Abortion/roe-v-wade-at-40.aspx
so let me end with one other intriguing finding.

“The survey finds that 41% say that the Democrat party can do a better job of representing their view on abortion; nearly as many (36%) say the Republican Party could do better,” Pew reports, an advantage of 5 points. “Last March, the Democratic Party held a 16-point advantage a better representing people’s view on abortion (47% to 31%).”
lifenews.com/2013/01/17/pew-poll-on-abortion-roe-vs-wade-absurdly-inaccurate
 
Point Four, 47% say having an abortion is morally wrong. Only 10% of women and 16% of men said it was morally acceptable to have an abortion while 27% said abortion is “not a moral issue.”
CNN has likewise distorted the truth on this point, it’s true one can distort figures and the mainstream media is loathesome and predictable to do this.
 
The most amazing thing to me is that some who call themselves Christians support the wholesale slaughter of innocents. This in light of the fact that Jesus came to earth as an unborn child! 🤷 Rob
 
The most amazing thing to me is that some who call themselves Christians support the wholesale slaughter of innocents. This in light of the fact that Jesus came to earth as an unborn child! 🤷 Rob
Right, the poll should do something like “church-going Catholics”, but good for the (white) Evangelicals on this issue, seems they do better than any other group.
 
Anti Catholics roots of Roe v Wade
Bill Donohue issued the following remarks today on abortion:
As we approach the 40th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, it behooves us to recall the anti-Catholic roots of this infamous decision.
What paved the way for Roe was NARAL. Founded by Lawrence Lader in 1969, he knew he had to take down the greatest defender of the unborn, the Catholic Church. One of his close colleagues was Dr. Bernard Nathanson (he would later become both pro-life and a Catholic). Speaking of NARAL’s early years, Nathanson said the original members all agreed that anti-Catholicism was “probably the best strategy we had.”
Lader, in fact, referred to the Catholic Church as “our favorite whipping boy,” making it plain that his goal was to “bring the Catholic hierarchy out where we can fight them.” Ever blunt, he added, “That’s the real enemy.” Lader’s animus against the Church was so deep that he called it “the biggest single obstacle to peace and decency throughout all of history.”
Looking back at those days, Nathanson, who passed away in 2011, said, “I was far from an admirer of the Church’s role in the world chronicle, but his [Lader’s] insistent, uncompromising recitation brought to mind the Protocols of the Elders of Zion
. It passed through my mind that if one had substituted ‘Jewish’ for ‘Catholic,’ it would have been the most vicious anti-Semitic tirade imaginable.”

NARAL officials shared Lader’s hatred and decided to launch a propaganda campaign against the Church. According to Nathanson, they concluded, “it was an easy step to targeting the Catholic Church in its opposition to abortion as making opposition to abortion a pro-fascist, reactionary position.”

What NARAL did paid big dividends. Writing for the majority in Roe, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun cited favorably eight times a book by Lawrence Lader titled, Abortion. The nexus of the ruling was born of bigotry and blood.
catholicleague.org/anti-catholic-roots-of-roe-v-wade
 
lifenews.com/2013/01/15/catholic-bishops-launch-prayer-campaign-against-abortion-roe

Catholic Bishops Launch Prayer Campaign Against Abortion, Roe

lifesitenews.com/news/two-women-legalized-abortion-in-america-now-both-of-them-want-it-reversed

Two women are behind legalized abortion in America: now both of them want it reversed

catholicworldreport.com/Blog/1893/card_omalley_calls_for_prayer_penance_on_40th_anniversary_of_roe_v_wade.aspx#.UPmWdB1EGSo

Card. O’Malley calls for prayer, penance on 40th anniversary of Roe v. Wade
 
lifesitenews.com/news/two-women-legalized-abortion-in-america-now-both-of-them-want-it-reversed

Two women are behind legalized abortion in America: now both of them want it reversed

catholicworldreport.com/Blog/1893/card_omalley_calls_for_prayer_penance_on_40th_anniversary_of_roe_v_wade.aspx#.UPmWdB1EGSo

Card. O’Malley calls for prayer, penance on 40th anniversary of Roe v. Wade

lifenews.com/2013/01/15/catholic-bishops-launch-prayer-campaign-against-abortion-roe

Catholic Bishops Launch Prayer Campaign Against Abortion, Roe
 
http://http://forums.catholic-questions.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15949&stc=1&d=1358574088

This picture makes me anti-abortion. It’s a twelve week old fetus.
 
It should be left to the state, otherwise, we have issues whereas like gun control and religion, we have Washington bureacrats invading our lives.
This is a case for solidarity, not subsidiarity, as is all serious human rights violations.

Whereas we should take what we can get on the road to protecting the unborn, nothing less than a Human Life Amendment, establishing the unborn as a full member of society, is acceptable. It is an inalienable right that is foundational to every human life.

Ronald Reagan compromised with good intentions in allowing abortion for rape, incest, and health of the mother as governor of California and, he saw his state’s abortion rate soar to 100,000 yearly. I used to be convinced that pre-1973 national abortion rate was no more than 100,000 based on my readings, but the article of Ronald Reagan’s Darkest Hour in the National Review in your earlier post really surprised me with that figure for one state only, albeit a big state.
 
It’s well known that Mississippi has that one clinic, but reading Lifesite, Missouri has only one clinic in that whole state. Knowing this, it’s a bit unfortunate Akins had his problem or was misinterpreted for what he said.

lifesitenews.com/news/4th-medical-emergency-since-thanksgiving-at-last-abortion-clinic-in-missour

1500 abortion clinics have closed since 1991:
lifenews.com/2013/01/21/report-1500-abortion-clinics-have-closed-since-1991/

Population wise, I think MO. is a pretty big state.

Then out west, you have states like Wyoming, Montana, Utah, Dakotas, these states have very few abortions. Wyoming almost none at all.

So, really, I think the abortion power is concentrated in a few states, mostly blue states.
 
http://http://forums.catholic-questions.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15949&stc=1&d=1358574088

This picture makes me anti-abortion. It’s a twelve week old fetus.
Are we sure that is a 12 week old fetus? When I look at other images this seems older/features more developed.
 
Mother Teresa: Roe v. Wade ‘has deformed a great nation’
In 1994 Mother Teresa filed an amicus curiae brief
before the U.S. Supreme Court in the cases of Loce v. New Jersey and Krail et al. v. New Jersey. In that brief the famous humanitarian and Catholic saint argued on behalf of the unborn in a way that is remarkably poetic and poignant. Not only does she plead for the rights of the unborn, but powerfully points out the various ways that abortion, ushered in by Roe v. Wade, has coarsened the life of the nation, sowing violence and discord. Her brief remains compelling reading.

“[N]o one in the world who prizes liberty and human rights can feel anything but a strong kinship with America. Yours is the one great nation in all of history that was founded on the precept of equal rights and respect for all humankind, for the poorest and weakest of us as well as the richest and strongest. As your Declaration of Independence put it, in words that have never lost their power to stir the heart: ‘We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness …’ A nation founded on these principles holds a sacred trust: to stand as an example to the rest of the world, to climb ever higher in its practical realization of the ideals of human dignity, brotherhood, and mutual respect. It has been your constant efforts in fulfillment of that mission, far more than your size or your wealth or your military might, that have made America an inspiration to all mankind.

“It must be recognized that your model was never one of realized perfection, but of ceaseless aspiration. From the outset, for example, America denied the African slave his freedom and human dignity. But in time you righted that wrong, albeit at an incalculable cost in human suffering and loss of life. Your impetus has almost always been toward a fuller, more all-embracing conception and assurance of the rights that your founding fathers recognized as inherent and God-given. Yours has ever been an inclusive, not an exclusive, society. And your steps, though they may have paused or faltered now and then, have been pointed in the right direction and have trod the right path. The task has not always been an easy one, and each new generation has faced its own challenges and temptations. But, in a uniquely courageous and inspiring way, America has kept faith.

“Yet there has been one infinitely tragic and destructive departure from those American ideals in recent memory. It was [the U.S. Supreme] Court’s own decision in 1973 to exclude the unborn child from the human family [in Roe v. Wade]. You ruled that a mother, in consultation with her doctor, has broad discretion, guaranteed against infringement by the United States Constitution, to choose to destroy her unborn child. Your opinion stated that you did not need to ‘resolve the difficult question of when life begins.’ That question is inescapable. If the right to life is an inherent and inalienable right, it must surely obtain wherever human life exists. No one can deny that the unborn child is a distinct being, that it is human, and that it is alive. It is unjust, therefore, to deprive the unborn child of its fundamental right to life on the basis of its age, size, or condition of dependency. It was a sad infidelity to America’s highest ideals when this Court said it did not matter, or could not be determined, when the inalienable right to life began for a child in its mother’s womb.

“America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father’s role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts—a child—as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters. And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners.

“Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being’s entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign. … You must weep that your own government, at present, seems blind to this truth.

“I have no new teaching for America. I seek only to recall you to faithfulness to what you once taught the world. Your nation was founded on the proposition—very old as a moral precept, but startling and innovative as a political insight—that human life is a gift of immeasurable worth, and that it deserves, always and everywhere, to be treated with the utmost dignity and respect.”

h/t Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life
lifesitenews.com/blog/mother-teresa-roe-v.-wade-has-deformed-a-great-nation
 
Mother Teresa: Roe v. Wade ‘has deformed a great nation’
In 1994 Mother Teresa filed an amicus curiae brief
before the U.S. Supreme Court in the cases of Loce v. New Jersey and Krail et al. v. New Jersey. In that brief the famous humanitarian and Catholic saint argued on behalf of the unborn in a way that is remarkably poetic and poignant. Not only does she plead for the rights of the unborn, but powerfully points out the various ways that abortion, ushered in by Roe v. Wade, has coarsened the life of the nation, sowing violence and discord. Her brief remains compelling reading.

“[N]o one in the world who prizes liberty and human rights can feel anything but a strong kinship with America. Yours is the one great nation in all of history that was founded on the precept of equal rights and respect for all humankind, for the poorest and weakest of us as well as the richest and strongest. As your Declaration of Independence put it, in words that have never lost their power to stir the heart: ‘We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness …’ A nation founded on these principles holds a sacred trust: to stand as an example to the rest of the world, to climb ever higher in its practical realization of the ideals of human dignity, brotherhood, and mutual respect. It has been your constant efforts in fulfillment of that mission, far more than your size or your wealth or your military might, that have made America an inspiration to all mankind.

“It must be recognized that your model was never one of realized perfection, but of ceaseless aspiration. From the outset, for example, America denied the African slave his freedom and human dignity. But in time you righted that wrong, albeit at an incalculable cost in human suffering and loss of life. Your impetus has almost always been toward a fuller, more all-embracing conception and assurance of the rights that your founding fathers recognized as inherent and God-given. Yours has ever been an inclusive, not an exclusive, society. And your steps, though they may have paused or faltered now and then, have been pointed in the right direction and have trod the right path. The task has not always been an easy one, and each new generation has faced its own challenges and temptations. But, in a uniquely courageous and inspiring way, America has kept faith.

“Yet there has been one infinitely tragic and destructive departure from those American ideals in recent memory. It was [the U.S. Supreme] Court’s own decision in 1973 to exclude the unborn child from the human family [in Roe v. Wade]. You ruled that a mother, in consultation with her doctor, has broad discretion, guaranteed against infringement by the United States Constitution, to choose to destroy her unborn child. Your opinion stated that you did not need to ‘resolve the difficult question of when life begins.’ That question is inescapable. If the right to life is an inherent and inalienable right, it must surely obtain wherever human life exists. No one can deny that the unborn child is a distinct being, that it is human, and that it is alive. It is unjust, therefore, to deprive the unborn child of its fundamental right to life on the basis of its age, size, or condition of dependency. It was a sad infidelity to America’s highest ideals when this Court said it did not matter, or could not be determined, when the inalienable right to life began for a child in its mother’s womb.

“America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father’s role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts—a child—as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters. And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners.

“Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being’s entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign. … You must weep that your own government, at present, seems blind to this truth.

“I have no new teaching for America. I seek only to recall you to faithfulness to what you once taught the world. Your nation was founded on the proposition—very old as a moral precept, but startling and innovative as a political insight—that human life is a gift of immeasurable worth, and that it deserves, always and everywhere, to be treated with the utmost dignity and respect.”

h/t Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life
lifesitenews.com/blog/mother-teresa-roe-v.-wade-has-deformed-a-great-nation
 
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