Roe v. Wade at 40: Most Oppose Overturning Abortion Decision

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Correct. It remains most oppose returning to the days when abortion was illegal for women in all cases. Most Americans are not in agreement with the Catholic Church’s POV as to what the civil law of this land of plural beliefs should be on this particular issue.
 
Unbelievable that Obama made that spiel about all men being created equal. Seems very hypocritical.
 
How Not to Read the Abortion Polls
Chris Cillizza tweeted
earlier today that a new post in a section of the Washington Post he oversees explained why “Republicans need to stop talking about abortion. Immediately.” What it really shows is that polling on abortion needs to be read carefully rather than excitably.

In that post Aaron Blake writes, “The trend line is clear, and Americans are becoming more accepting of abortion rights.” His thesis depends entirely on an overreaction to a few bits of poll data. A fuller look at the evidence does not bear it out.

First, let’s look at the polls on Roe v. Wade. Blake’s major piece of evidence here is a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll that shows that 70 percent of Americans believe that Roe should be upheld rather than overturned. He also cites a new Pew poll that he claims “largely confirms those findings, showing 63 percent of Americans oppose overturning Roe.”

Actually, Pew did not find that support for Roe has been increasing. It found less support for Roe than it did in 2005, which appears to be the last time it asked the question. The ABC/Washington Post poll also found declining support for Roe between 2005 and 2010.

Public support for Roe is not new*–and it is increasing only in one pollster’s trendline. Even in that trendline, fluctuations have occurred in the past without signaling much of anything. So, yes, the don’t-overturn-it view has gone up 4 points in the NBC/WSJ poll between December 2005 and now; it fell the same amount between 1989 and 1991.

Blake’s next piece of evidence is that the NBC/WSJ poll “shows for the first time that a majority of Americans (54 percent) support abortion rights.” That’s true of the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll. But plenty of other polls over the years have found that most Americans believe abortion should be legal in “all” or “most cases.”

Other polling does not find any leftward shift. The University of Michigan’s polling finds no clear change from 1990 through 2008. The CBS/New York Times poll shows no movement between 2003 and 2012. Gallup shows no clear change in either direction from 2002 to 2012. (It also finds no pro-choice majority: In May of 2012, 59 percent of respondents told Gallup abortion should be legal in a few circumstances or illegal in all circumstances, while 38 percent said it should be legal in “all” or “most” circumstances.) Harris’s numbers show a movement in the pro-life direction from 1993 to 2009 on the question of under what circumstances abortion should be legal.

Maybe it will turn out that the public is becoming more supportive of abortion. I’d wait to see more evidence before calling that trend, which may not exist at all, “clear.”

Pro-lifers have been able to succeed politically even while Roe has been popular and majorities have given pro-choice answers in many abortion polls (while giving answers more congenial to pro-lifers in other abortion polls). Blake’s evidence doesn’t offer much reason to think that they will no longer be able to do so.

He leaves the data altogether to opine about the political dynamics of abortion—which is perfectly fine; I did the same thing in a recent issue of NR. The problem is that what Blake writes makes no sense. He writes that “talking about the issue opens the door for the party’s more conservative elements to do unhelpful things.” Does anyone think that Todd Akin needed Mitt Romney to “open the door” for him to talk about abortion? For that matter, how much did Romney talk about abortion?

In 2012, some Republicans said ill-considered things about abortion and others ran away from the issue. The combination was indeed harmful to the party (as I explain in that NR article). More running away is probably not the solution. Maybe Republicans should instead emulate reasonably successful pro-life politicians, who have managed to both talk about the issue on occasion and not say anything disastrous.
  • Especially when the pollsters include misinformation in their questions about Roe, as both the Pew and NBC/WSJ polls do. They suggest falsely that Roe limits the abortion license to the first three months of pregnancy. (The combined effect of Roe and its companion case Doe v. Bolton is to make abortion legal at any stage of pregnancy.) The latter poll even uses the phrase “completely overturn” in its question, a qualifier that can be expected to lower support for the option. We have no reason to think that a strong majority of the public has a clear sense of what Roe held or what overturning it would do. In my own book on these issues, I argue that what the Roe polls are probably picking up is that a strong majority of the public does not favor a ban on all first-trimester abortions.
    nationalreview.com/corner/338358/how-not-read-abortion-polls-ramesh-ponnuru
 
Correct. It remains most oppose returning to the days when abortion was illegal for women in all cases. Most Americans are not in agreement with the Catholic Church’s POV as to what the civil law of this land of plural beliefs should be on this particular issue.
So Obama and his supporters don’t believe all men are created equal and murder is okay sometimes. Think we already knew this.
 
Correct. It remains most oppose returning to the days when abortion was illegal for women in all cases. Most Americans are not in agreement with the Catholic Church’s POV as to what the civil law of this land of plural beliefs should be on this particular issue.
Just because Liberals want to see minority children aborted at high numbers in California, Illinois and New York should not allow these states to impose their POV on Oklahoma, Texas, Wyoming, etc.

Those states have more of a population but the rest of the nation per state doesn’t necessarily think that way. A good excuse though.
 
Marco Rubio: Roe vs. Wade was blatant judicial activism
Senator Marco Rubio R-Fla. today marked the 40th anniversary of the Roe vs. Wade Supreme Court decision, which struck down state anti-abortion laws.
“Today marks the tragic anniversary of one of America’s most blatant instances of judicial activism that paved the way for the destruction of innocent unborn life,” Rubio said. “Since this decision, tens of millions of our nation’s unborn babies have been denied the chance to celebrate a birthday, begin kindergarten or go on to contribute their God-given talents to our world.”
Rubio pledged to fight to reduce abortions in the country but added that pro-life activists should continue to advocate for the issue.
“As with many of our nation’s most important debates, the battlefield of this issue is in the hearts and minds of the American electorate, and I pray that we can one day live in a society that fully cherishes every life from conception until death,” Rubio added.
Sen. Rubio is not expected to speak at the March for Life in Washington D.C. on Friday, as he will be in Miami with his family.
washingtonexaminer.com/rubio-roe-vs.-wade-was-blatant-judicial-activism/article/2519370
 
Most Americans don’t agree with Obama and his supporters wanting women’s health services available only if abortion is also made available.
 
Correct. It remains most oppose returning to the days when abortion was illegal for women in all cases. Most Americans are not in agreement with the Catholic Church’s POV as to what the civil law of this land of plural beliefs should be on this particular issue.
Plural beliefs are the justification for a single belief holding the force of the land. Name me an issue where there aren’t plural beliefs?
 
Plural beliefs are the justification for a single belief holding the force of the land. Name me an issue where there aren’t plural beliefs?
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CMatt loves to use the “plural beliefs” line a little too much…
 
Forty years! I cannot help but think of the people who were not born, gone to school, set up their own businesses, worked as an employee, bought houses, raised children. What a difference they could have made. 😦
Just to be clear, there were many, many abortions before this. We’ve only really started counting them for these last 40 years.
 
But one can say that abortions were harder to come by.
This is true. The SC in effect gave a license to privates to find more efficient ways to terminate pregnancies, though several states had already gave such licenses, if you will.
 
How Not to Read the Abortion Polls
  • Especially when the pollsters include misinformation in their questions about Roe, as both the Pew and NBC/WSJ polls do. They suggest falsely that Roe limits the abortion license to the first three months of pregnancy. (The combined effect of Roe and its companion case Doe v. Bolton is to make abortion legal at any stage of pregnancy.) The latter poll even uses the phrase “completely overturn” in its question, a qualifier that can be expected to lower support for the option. We have no reason to think that a strong majority of the public has a clear sense of what Roe held or what overturning it would do. In my own book on these issues, I argue that what the Roe polls are probably picking up is that a strong majority of the public does not favor a ban on all first-trimester abortions.
    nationalreview.com/corner/338358/how-not-read-abortion-polls-ramesh-ponnuru
I wanted to highlight the footnote to this article, because I have often seen various news reports which imply that Roe legalized abortion only for the first three months of pregnancy. That is incorrect. Roe and Doe gave us abortion on demand. It legalized abortion through all nine months of pregnancy.

When polls ask whether abortion should be legal at any time for any reason, there is only minority support for the position.
 
So Obama and his supporters don’t believe all men are created equal and murder is okay sometimes. Think we already knew this.
No maybe they have a different definition of who are “men” and what is “murder”.
 
Just to be clear, there were many, many abortions before this. We’ve only really started counting them for these last 40 years.
I bet there were some slave owners who continued to illegally keep slaves after slavery was outlawed nationally. You can not keep a human rights violation legal because a minority of people will defy the law. Making abortion illegal will stop the majority of abortion, as outlawing slavery meant the majority of slaves were allowed to go free
 
Obama supporting Catholics, what is your reaction to Obama’s statement?

Obama Celebrates 40 Years of Abortion, Praising Roe v. Wade
President Barack Obama issued a statement today celebrating the 40-year-old Roe v. wade decision that allowed for virtually unlimited abortions.
The decision, handed down on January 22, 1973, overturned pro-life laws offering protection for unborn children in most states across the country, and made abortions legal and virtually unlimited. Almost 56 million unborn children have been killed in abortions since.
“Today and every day, my Administration continues our efforts to reduce unintended pregnancies, support maternal and child health, and minimize the need for abortion,” Obama said in his statement.
The full statement follows:
“On the 40th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, we reaffirm its historic commitment to protect the health and reproductive freedom of women across this country and stand by its guiding principle: that government should not intrude on our most private family matters, and women should be able to make their own choices about their bodies and their health care. Today and every day, my Administration continues our efforts to reduce unintended pregnancies, support maternal and child health, and minimize the need for abortion. On this anniversary, we recommit ourselves to supporting women and families in the choices they make and redouble our efforts to promote safe and healthy communities.”
The statement is similar to his 2011
one, which celebrated abortion while trying to stake out a middle position.

For most Americans, the day the Supreme Court handed down its decision was a day to mourn — a day to mourn the loss of tens of millions of unborn children — sons and daughters, brothers and sisters lost to a world that values choice over compassion. It was a day to mourn the damage abortion does to women — the medical problems, the mental health issues, the damaging of relationships with friends and family, and the destruction of relationships with God.

It was a day to mourn the culture of death abortion has brought to our nation and our world. A culture that believes death is a solution for those who are considered too old or too ill. A culture that believes human life is a commodity to be created and manipulated.

Polling data shows Americans are pro-life and few agree with Obama’s unlimited abortion position.
lifenews.com/2013/01/22/obama-celebrates-40-years-of-abortion-praising-roe-v-wade
 
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