Romney: Individual Mandate "Is A Tax"

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austenbosten said:
I respect and empathize with your cynicism, however it’s better to elect people who may or may not steer America away from the edge of a cliff, rather than the ones who are hell-bent to floor it all the way off the cliff towards the ravine.
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Sums up my point of view pretty well.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Wrong, the tax penalty was part of Romney Care mandate from the beginning. Without the tax, the mandate just would not work.

Romney is wrong when he calls Obama’s penalty a tax and not the one he signed into law in Massachusetts.

The tax is a penalty for those who don’t have insurance, here in Massachusetts and in Obama Care.

Jim
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You mean the penalty or tax for not having insurance? Romney was opposed to it and tried to veto it and was overridden by a Democrat legislature. BTW penalty/tax in RomneyCare is $249 per employee, ObamaTax is $2000 per employee.
 
colmywaykurtz said:
And that’s a misleading Republican statement. Read this.

npr.org/blogs/health/2011/07/25/138614501/history-shows-medicare-can-be-cut-while-sparing-beneficiaries
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CBO estimated that there are permanent reductions to Medicare’s payments, other than physician’s services, most services in the fee-for-service sector and the new structure in the Medicare Advantage program for setting payment rates will decrease Medicare outlays by $507 billion from 2012 – 2021

cbo.gov/publication/22077
 
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_Abyssinia said:
. RomneyCare did not cut Medicare either, like Obama cut $500 billion from
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Actually, the only criticism we can have of Obama on cutting Medicare is that he didn’t cut more. Any spending on Medicare is too much because Medicare is a government run program and the government has zero business either running or paying for healthcare. So if Romney is not proposing eliminating Medicare he is a socialist just like Obama.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
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Actually, the only criticism we can have of Obama on cutting Medicare is that he didn’t cut more. Any spending on Medicare is too much because Medicare is a government run program and the government has zero business either running or paying for healthcare. So if Romney is not proposing eliminating Medicare he is a socialist just like Obama.
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Well, he is just not as much of a socialist.
 
_Abyssinia said:
You mean the penalty or tax for not having insurance? Romney was opposed to it and tried to veto it and was overridden by a Democrat legislature. BTW penalty/tax in RomneyCare is $249 per employee, ObamaTax is $2000 per employee.
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He’s lying for the penalty tax was part of the design from the begining. Without the penaly tax, the mandate is meaningless.

Who would buy insurance if they don’t pay a penalty if they don’t?

You merely revert to what you originally had, people opting not to purchase insurance and using the ER for common illnesses.
MIT Prof Who Advised Romney Says Romneycare, Obamacare ‘Same’
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nationalreview.com/corner/283403/mit-prof-who-advised-romney-says-romneycare-obamacare-same-katrina-trinko
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Jim
 
ProVobis said:
But if he approved the mandate and now he calls the individual mandate a tax, he effectively calls what he did a tax. Just trying to use some logic here. Maybe the guy should have stopped talking while he was ahead.
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State meet fed. Fed meet state.

How many times do conservatives need to explain the difference between states rights and federal jurisdiction to liberals like you?
 
ROMNEY SHIFTS AND CALLS MANDATE A TAX - While you were honoring America, Mitt Romney in an interview on CBS, contradicted top advisor Eric Fehrnstrom and called the individual mandate under Obama’s health care reform a “tax” rather than a “penalty” for those who can afford but don’t buy insurance. “Well, the Supreme Court has the final word and their final word is that Obamacare is a tax. So it’s a tax. They decided it was constitutional. So it is a tax and it’s constitutional. That’s the final word—that’s what it is.
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“Now, I agreed with the dissent. I would have taken a different course, but the dissent wasn’t the majority. The majority has ruled and their rule is final. It is a tax.” This off course means that Romney cannot really say he did not raise taxes in Massachusetts because Romneycare, the model for Obamacare, also had a mandate to buy insurance and a penalty for those who failed to do so.
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Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
He’s lying for the penalty tax was part of the design from the begining. Without the penaly tax, the mandate is meaningless.

Who would buy insurance if they don’t pay a penalty if they don’t?

You merely revert to what you originally had, people opting not to purchase insurance and using the ER for common illnesses.

Jim
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Back on topic, which is not RomneyCare, but Obamacare, which has been ruled by the Supreme Court as a tax. Obama can disagree with it all he wants, but his landmark piece of legislation is now the largest tax increase on the poor and middle class in American history.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Back on topic, which is not RomneyCare, but Obamacare, which has been ruled by the Supreme Court as a tax. Obama can disagree with it all he wants, but his landmark piece of legislation is now the largest tax increase on the poor and middle class in American history.
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Obama isn’t disagree with it, but the reality is, the effect is a penalty, and not an across the board tax on everyone.

The only people who will pay the penalty-tax, are those who refuse to get insured.

And the problem for Romney here is, when he accuses Obama for raising taxes on this issue, then he too can not state that he didn’t raise taxes in Massachusetts when the same penalty-tax was placed in the Romney Care mandate.

Fact is, Romney doubled and tripled fees in Massachusetts, in order to balance the budget. He actually had no choice about it.

Jim
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Back on topic, which is not RomneyCare, but Obamacare, which has been ruled by the Supreme Court as a tax. Obama can disagree with it all he wants, but his landmark piece of legislation is now the largest tax increase on the poor and middle class in American history.
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Obama promised multiple occasions during his campaign in 2008 that he would not raise taxes on the middle class

Here he promised never to raise taxes on anyone earning less than $250000

Again here
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Obama isn’t disagree with it, but the reality is, the effect is a penalty, and not an across the board tax on everyone.

The only people who will pay the penalty-tax, are those who refuse to get insured.

And the problem for Romney here is, when he accuses Obama for raising taxes on this issue, then he too can not state that he didn’t raise taxes in Massachusetts when the same penalty-tax was placed in the Romney Care mandate.

Fact is, Romney doubled and tripled fees in Massachusetts, in order to balance the budget. He actually had no choice about it.

Jim
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Most states have a balanced budget requirement. The federal government has no such silly obstacle. They are allowed to spend as much money as China will lend us.

And so what you are saying is that the people who are going to be forced to pay this tax are the people who couldn’t afford to pay it in the first place.

Makes sense. 👍
 
_Abyssinia said:
Obama promised multiple occasions during his campaign in 2008 that he would not raise taxes on the middle class

Here he promised never to raise taxes on anyone earning less than $250000

Again here
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Obama made a lot of promises that he had to “evolved and refine” his position on. :rolleyes:

In fact, the only thing that you can count on is that if Obama made you a promise, he will break it somehow and then blame it on Bush.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Obama isn’t disagree with it, but the reality is, the effect is a penalty, and not an across the board tax on everyone.

The only people who will pay the penalty-tax, are those who refuse to get insured.
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Well duh.

The only people who pay cigarette TAXES are people who refuse to not use cigarettes.

The only people who pay real estate TAXES are people who refuse to not buy real estate.

The only people who pay income TAXES are people to choose not to avoid income.

That is a ridiculous argument. It has been affirdmed as a tax in court. You can make up other names to defend you candidate all you want, but at that point, you are either lying or dodging, neither of which is becoming.

Just admit it is a tax and move on for the same of honesty and sanity.
 
He_Man said:
Well duhg.

The only people who pay cigarette TAXES are people who refuse to not use cigarettes.

The only people who pay real estate TAXES are people who refuse to not buy real estate.

The only people who pay income TAXES are people to choose not to avoid income.

That is a ridiculous argument. It has been affirdmed as a tax in court. You can make up other names to defend you candidate all you want, but at that point, you are either lying or dodging, neither of which is becoming.

Just admit it is a tax and move on for the same of honesty and sanity.
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Honesty and Sanity have no place in the modern Democrat party.
 
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