Romney: Individual Mandate "Is A Tax"

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Scott_Lafrance said:
Most states have a balanced budget requirement. The federal government has no such silly obstacle. They are allowed to spend as much money as China will lend us.

And so what you are saying is that the people who are going to be forced to pay this tax are the people who couldn’t afford to pay it in the first place.

Makes sense. 👍
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This is your spin.

People who can’t afford to buy insurance will get either subsidized within the program, or get Medicaid, which isn’t Obama Care, for it was around before Obama Care.

Once again, I’m on Romney Care, so I have the experience of what Obama Care will be like,

It’s far from the horror stories the anti-Obama people present.

Jim
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Nor the Republican party.
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To be fair, there is a group of the class of 2010 that is trying to make it work. Unfortunately, Washington DC is a vast and immutable swamp of corruption. The smartest move any politician can make to avoid being contaminated by the toxic sludge that is the federal government is to never run for national office.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
This is your spin.

People who can’t afford to buy insurance will get either subsidized within the program, or get Medicaid, which isn’t Obama Care, for it was around before Obama Care.

Once again, I’m on Romney Care, so I have the experience of what Obama Care will be like,

It’s far from the horror stories the anti-Obama people present.

Jim
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I am trying to find where I was born with the obligation to subsidize your health care coverage.

Also, since you insist on talking about the paradise of RomneyCare:

publiusforum.com/2009/06/30/massachusetts-universal-healthcare-system-breaking-down-already/

When Governor Mitt Romney instituted a universal healthcare plan for Massachusetts in 2006 he proclaimed it a conservative idea. “It’s a conservative idea insisting that individuals have responsibility for their own health care,” he said. “I think it appeals to people on both sides of the aisle: insurance for everyone without a tax increase.” The plan passed and was put into practice. But has it worked? Has it been successful?
For a time, many thought it might but cracks in the system are already being seen. These cracks are instructive as a lesson on how Obamacare will crash and burn just like Romneycare is now in the process of doing.

One of the early claims that helped push Romneycare through to law was the insistence by its supporters that Emergency Room visits would fall as more and more citizens became covered under healthcare insurance. Since ER care is far more expensive than a doctor’s care, it was thought that more people with insurance would ease the overcrowding of ERs as well as lower the overall costs of healthcare.

However, a flaw in this logic has been seen throughout the state. As more people became insured, more people demanded the care of doctors. These doctors became overloaded with patients and waiting lists for doctors got longer and longer. As a result, ERs in Massachusetts have not seen a downturn in visits. On the contrary, it seems that ER visits are actually on the upswing in the Bay State. In fact, in 2007 they were higher than the national average by 20 percent.

Its called the “Law of Unintended Consequences”. Get used to it.
 
austenbosten said:
I respect and empathize with your cynicism, however it’s better to elect people who may or may not steer America away from the edge of a cliff, rather than the ones who are hell-bent to floor it all the way off the cliff towards the ravine.
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Oh I agree. There are degrees of hell. May as well choose light roast instead of dark.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
This is your spin.

People who can’t afford to buy insurance will get either subsidized within the program, or get Medicaid, which isn’t Obama Care, for it was around before Obama Care.

Once again, I’m on Romney Care, so I have the experience of what Obama Care will be like,

It’s far from the horror stories the anti-Obama people present.

Jim
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You can not compare a state plan to a federal plan :rolleyes:

RomneyCare and ObamaTax are not the same
 
_Abyssinia said:
You can not compare a state plan to a federal plan :rolleyes:

RomneyCare and ObamaTax are not the same
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RomneyCare was (and still is) on the precipice of doom less than 2 years after implementation. The state had to undergo massive budget cuts (which translates to massive loss of services)
 
Scott_Lafrance
I am trying to find where I was born with the obligation to subsidize your health care coverage.
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Please provide proof that you are subsidizing my health care.

FYI, I purchase my own health care from a private insurance company, within a pool of other Massachusetts residence who are unemployed or self-employed.
Also, since you insist on talking about the paradise of RomneyCare:
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I’m merely sharing the experience, which you have none. In fact all you have is rhetoric on the issue, no experience.

Also, the info about doctors in MA becoming overburdened, is false.

My Doctor, says that it was the best thing to happen, but he said the better program than Obama Care would be a single payer universal health care system. He said his colleagues also want to see a universal health care system.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Scott_Lafrance

Please provide proof that you are subsidizing my health care.

FYI, I purchase my own health care from a private insurance company, within a pool of other Massachusetts residence who are unemployed or self-employed.

I’m merely sharing the experience, which you have none. In fact all you have is rhetoric on the issue, no experience.

Also, the info about doctors in MA becoming overburdened, is false.

My Doctor, says that it was the best thing to happen, but he said the better program than Obama Care would be a single payer universal health care system. He said his colleagues also want to see a universal health care system.

Jim
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But I DON’T want a single payer system. What gives you the right to force me into one?
 
_Abyssinia said:
CBO estimated that there are permanent reductions to Medicare’s payments, other than physician’s services, most services in the fee-for-service sector and the new structure in the Medicare Advantage program for setting payment rates will decrease Medicare outlays by $507 billion from 2012 – 2021

cbo.gov/publication/22077
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CBO’s objective stance and “disinterestedness” has been called into question before. I question it now.
 
_Abyssinia said:
CBO is a bipartisan source. You can not get more objective than that
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The Left only claims a bipartisan source biased whenever it doesn’t agree to their views. If it does, then it is the only source that can be used. :rolleyes:
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
But I DON’T want a single payer system. What gives you the right to force me into one?
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I won’t force single payer health-care onto you.

You can go without health insurance if you wish, just don’t show up at the emergency room or bring your family should you need emergency care.

After all, you don’t want to force your needs onto the rest of us. :rolleyes:

BTW, the Bishops have said that health-care is a human right. From what you’re posting, I guess you don’t agree.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
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My Doctor, says that it was the best thing to happen, but he said the better program than Obama Care would be a single payer universal health care system. He said his colleagues also want to see a universal health care system.

Jim
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That opinion is in direct opposition to every doctor I know, and most polls.

I’m sure your region might have something to do with it.

healthleadersmedia.com/content/LED-261601/Poll-Physicians-Bearish-on-Healthcare-Reform.html

news.investors.com/article/506199/200909151909/45-of-doctors-would-consider-quitting-if-congress-passes-health-care-overhaul.htm
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I won’t force single payer health-care onto you.

You can go without health insurance if you wish, just don’t show up at the emergency room or bring your family should you need emergency care.

After all, you don’t want to force your needs onto the rest of us. :rolleyes:

BTW, the Bishops have said that health-care is a human right. From what you’re posting, I guess you don’t agree.

Jim
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I love posts like this, because it shows just how “compassionate” the Left really is.

‘Either you submit to my tyranny or you can die…either you submit to my will or I won’t help you when you are ill.’

The Bishops are right that Healthcare is a human right, however what you Leftists don’t understand, are that rights are right to action…not rewards from other people. No one has a right to take my money just so you can have some…however I do have a right to give you money if you ask for some. Nobody has the right to steal from others to give to others, that’s not a right…that’s theft and I’m sure the Bishops would agree that although healthcare is a human right, just as life is a human right, doesn’t mean other people are have to feed and clothe you, it means you have a right to feed and clothe yourself without anyone trying to stop your progress. Just like you have a right to get healthcare by either through insurance or saving your money without someone stopping you.
 
austenbosten said:
I love posts like this, because it shows just how “compassionate” the Left really is.

‘Either you submit to my tyranny or you can die…either you submit to my will or I won’t help you when you are ill.’

The Bishops are right that Healthcare is a human right, however what you Leftists don’t understand, are that rights are right to action…not rewards from other people. No one has a right to take my money just so you can have some…however I do have a right to give you money if you ask for some. Nobody has the right to steal from others to give to others, that’s not a right…that’s theft and I’m sure the Bishops would agree that although healthcare is a human right, just as life is a human right, doesn’t mean other people are have to feed and clothe you, it means you have a right to feed and clothe yourself without anyone trying to stop your progress. Just like you have a right to get healthcare by either through insurance or saving your money without someone stopping you.
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That sums it up well. 👍
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I won’t force single payer health-care onto you.

You can go without health insurance if you wish, just don’t show up at the emergency room or bring your family should you need emergency care.

After all, you don’t want to force your needs onto the rest of us. :rolleyes:

BTW, the Bishops have said that health-care is a human right. From what you’re posting, I guess you don’t agree.

Jim
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Access to healthcare is a right. Making someone else pay for it is theft.
 
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